Why not give us clues as to where each unis r on the table? not explicitly naming the university.
That way you won't be sued.

@arsenwagon, not that i don't want to share here, but this is a public domain. If u r a registered doctor, do register urself in one of those popular forums where all Malaysian doctors are, and we share all those documents there. Even the deputy DG of health is one of the members there.

med students and potential med students are the ones who will benefit the most from the info....

can med stdents register? last i checked i needed a registered mmc ID right..

i personally know a doctor who teaches at UCSI and he gave quite positive comments about that institution

At least now u know certain info and documents cannot be shared with med students. Even when such independent study was presented in UMMC this year, only lecturers and clinicians are there. No med students. Wait till your turn.

lol anyway being the first on the list or last of the list doesnt indicate incompetency right?

are foreign grads evaluated?

The competency study looked at 2 areas.
1. Incompetency in knowledge in the ward
2. Incompetency in hands on skills in the ward
The lowest percentage/score will be top in the list, meaning that the HO is in fact competent. And that HO will be asked which uni they graduated from. This was how the study was done, by an independent research body. The results were disseminated to all public and private universities. But not to the med students unfortunately.

What's the point of disseminating the Info to the universities when it's not made public? I doubt any improvements will be made. These incompetent housemen will only be retained for longer periods of time and then may even pass out as an MO eventually.

they all will.....

the rejection rate for housemans historically is almost zero...they may get retained, takes them longe5r, but almost all get get their licence eventually....

there poses considerable problems for the assessors (ie consultants/head of dept) NOT to pass them...reports to write, answer demands why as senior doctors, they are so incompetent that they cannot train the housemans to acceptable quality.....and thus most don't bother, just retain them for a while, then quickly pass them and hand them over to another dept....someone else's headache then.....

I've heard such study existed and was presented this year.

My burning question is:
1. Is foreign university included in that study?
2. If yes, how many countries involved.

the survey covers all housemans, working in selected hospitals....reflecting all the varied medical schools msian doctors graduate from......

but msians do go to UK to study too,.....

so do UK grads get evaluated?

why not?.....

this is a study, not an evaluation.....sampling of housemans from selected hospitals....

in any case, there will be few, if any, uk grads doing housemanship in msia.....

so why aren't they at the top ?

btw, i mean.... any grad from any uni in 1st world countries....

im sure some JPA students might return? correct me if im wrong.

what makes you think they are not?.....

what makes you think they should be?....

there are lots of excellent students and excellent doctors fro local unis, particularly ipta like um/ukm...(spore is not stupid)....

most jpa/mara scholars try to stay on to finish fy in uk....they used to allow....but jpa lately says no.....so there will be some, but not many....as many break their bonds and pay the penalty...

but then if grad from UK vs grad from IPTA, people automatically assume that UK grad is much better
not better by an inch or two but miles...


well just general perception maybe.

what makes me think that theyre not at the top ? well... iianm, someone mentioned IMU is 1st while UM is 2nd? or it could be my memory playing tricks on me...

that is simply because there wasn't any uk/oz grads in the sample.....

May I ask whether the study is done across Malaysia or just in a few selected hospitals limited to a state? Cuz when I asked my seniors and superiors, no one seem to know the existence of such study.

Or maybe we a just a bunch of ill-informed drs

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 30 2012, 01:29 PM

selected sample of hospitals and states.....of course the criticism is that the sample may not be representative of the broader cohort of current housemans....

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