I think majority of the doctors will only put "XXX, MD/MBBS, Msia", and not really the uni they graduated in. So I normally scout around the room when I'm in a consult

That's potentially more damaging for local grads, as there's no differentiation! Oh dear, will there come a time when we shop for consultants, and those with "Msia" does not make the shopping basket?

there is a convention on how a qualification is stated, and it varies from country to country...

in most developed countries, the qualification is stated, but not the awarding uni....the implicit convention being that it matters not which uni you come from....

in the commonwealth, the post graduate degree however will often state the college of award.....so you will see mb chb, frcs(eng), frcsed etc......because there are usually several colleges that award the same post graduate....

americans just use md, and board certification, there aren't different bodies awarding the same qualification....

qualifications are all omitted in scientific journals.....

in the 3rd world, many will proudly state the origin of the degree, if it is from a famous/respected med school....but just as many will quietly omit the med school if it's not....

this is the case with msia, and many will just put mbbs....or just add (india) or (russia) at the end.....but others will proudly proclaim mbbs(ucl/lon), mbbs(monash), or even mbbs(mal)......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 27 2012, 05:58 PM

Why utar is your last option?

how about taylor's? ( i consider about taylor's because it is near from my house)
* while monash and IMU are expansive for me
how to apply ptptn?
usually student study in Monash and IMU wont get full loan from ptptn right.
i am blur about that , that is what i heard from my friends
and i read from others forum, they say the max loan for medic student is 150k.
what is that mean? 150 k for the entire course or per year?
sorry for asking so many question
thanks

Monash student qualify for PTPTN loan while IMU local stream also qualify.

The max is RM150k and you get 30k per year.

o~ i see, thanks
why there is 3 column in ptptn's website about the loan , and in every column they state the max is 30k
what is it stand for?

is it hard to get full loan?
i am from single parent family but my mom didnt divorce with my dad.
he is just gone when i was form 3, (not dead)
so it is no prove for me that i am from that kind of family.
do they loan for living expense as well?

no PTPTN dont loan for living, just loan for tution fees.

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Added on April 28, 2012, 8:50 pmIn my opinion, if u are financially constrain, choose the cheapest one. This is because no matter how much u spend(spending 1 million in perdana vs spending 255k in utar) u will end up working in malaysia. what is the point spending so much end up working in malaysia. No need to go for reputation in medicine, u graduated from cambridge uni or graduated from an unknown uni in indonesia, u still have to work form the most bottom.
Now saying in terms of training, all IPTS in malaysia will give the same amount of training to their students, because all ipts dont have their own teaching hospitals. Unlike IPTA, where a big teaching hospital will be beside their medical faculty, the doctors in the hospitals are doctors working in the hospital and is also your lecturer, they play 2 roles in 1 time. IPTS all do their teaching in MOH hospitals where doctors in the hospital are just doctors in the hospital. They will not teach u. If u meet a kind doctor, he/she will teach u, if u meet doctors that does not want to teach, he/she will not teach and just walk around seems like u are invisible.

So choose the cheapest one, being a good doctor or a bad doctor lies in your hand. what is the point graduating form a famous and expensive uni and dont even know how to insert a branulla properly, while another one graduated form a cheep and infamous uni get the job done perfectly and get praises from everyone? Think about it.




P/S: to all that view this post, pls dont tell me about Melaka-Manipal Medical College is going to build a hospital and what others colleges are about to do regarding teaching hospitals of their own. Just asked yourself do people going to private hospital to seek medical care like med students to run around the wards like idiots? And also asked yourself, hospitals need 5-6 years to be fully occupied, will a grand opening of brand new hospital have patients come rushing in like a grand opening of a brand new supermarket/hypermarket?

This post has been edited by wangpatan: Apr 29 2012, 01:26 AM

I think u definitely don't know what you are talking! Just go and get the latest independent study on the competency of housemen in Malaysia, comparing all the public and private universities. And top in the list happened to be IMU, followed by UM on the second place. I won't want to mention who is at the bottom of the list! U go find out!

This is an interesting "fact". Care to provide a link to the source? I hope this is not another "urban legend".

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Added on October 19, 2012, 12:01 amThe bold part is misleading. Most IPTSs now hire MOH doctors to do part time teaching. So some of the MOH doctors actually become "clinical professors" or "clinical tutors" for the IPTSs.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Oct 19 2012, 12:01 AM

Yeah. Please provide the "independent" study or the link.

As you know not all links are ok to be posted in such opened forums. If you are a med lecturer, I am sure u will get hold of a copy from your HOD, just a glance, but definitely cannot take it out too. The repercussion on certain universities is just too great, as in "unacceptable" that their grads are not up to mark. Well, certain things is better "believe it or not". Or unless u r a friend of mine, then I am sure I can share with u.

Also, if you read doctors' blog like Dr Paga's, u will realize that he does not disclose many of the so called "rumours" and "internal news". Not everything can be disclosed. But if you don't believe, it's perfectly ok. I am just here to share what I know, with those who want the truth (or at least be aware of what is going on) from a few more people, rather than the few people I have observed here who have been actively commenting.

Also, as this forum's title sounds like MOST people here are either potential med students, or on-going med students, or just graduate. So better let those who are really in the line, with internal resources to share with you. But ultimately, you judge for yourself. Nobody is here to "guarantee" anything.

This post has been edited by hongguan: Oct 19 2012, 06:20 PM

You know why I put "independent"?
I think your results came from a dependent study! Pls don't make unsubstantiated claims or results not open for scrutiny.
We are not talking about politics. We are trying to pinpoint academic excellence.

No offence. Go ahead.

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Added on October 19, 2012, 6:52 pmAnd please do not make the situation too ideal for the potential med students too. They too have the right to hear from various parties to get a more holistic and true picture of whats going on around. So please do not "monopolize" the thread with your assumptions too.

This post has been edited by hongguan: Oct 19 2012, 06:52 PM

I think I will be in good company in stating that the "situation" as far as medical education in the country, is anything BUT ideal.

Looks like you are "recommending" IMU, the local pathway. Some special interest there?

in what way is he recommending IMU? and i wonder how IMU-PMS grads call themselves. A product of IMU or PMS? Anyway that's another question altogether.

Of course PMS..since degree will be awarded by PMS.

Without a doubt, I have to agree with that. But again, it all boils down to how much money you have from the start.
If you have the option, it's best to opt for the PMS route in IMU, mainly for more secured future postgrad training.

They get 2 certs (source from an IMU-PMS student) so of course they will claim themselves as the PMS-grad, sounds much better. PMS allows them to go abroad for better education (debatable) and also having a chance to work there in the future, unless you're scholarship bound.

All the rumours going around saying msian grads are of low competency, I can't really justify that though until I see it for myself. (trying to do some attachments during my summer holidays). Not all local/ukr/rus grads are terrible doctors, and not all oversea grads (from pms/1st world countries) are bright and shining.