Jailbreak is being done for iDevices to get root access. Same stuff with what "root" on Android does. I use both Android and iDevices too, so i know both environment very well.

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I'm sorry if you get it wrong. I'm saying it on the context of tablets since this is on the iPad thread. And for Android tablets, based on various market research done by renowned agencies, the best selling model until Q4 that's also available at our shores is Galaxy Tab 10.1 (the real winner is Kindle Fire, but it's for US-only market). That's a fact.

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Well, I'm doing a comparison of apple to apple here, the best selling model vs the best selling model. Well, both do just the same. It's not like both of them are doing right or wrong. They just got lot more reason to do so, just like what I've previously stated.

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Again, you got it wrong. The thing is, jailbreaking on the iOS is legal since the exemption already been authorised to the DMCA. So let's not go though the emotional route of "nab those jailbreakers! get them behind bars!" etc etc. So conversely, you're the one who doesn't much grab the concept of it. Piracy ≠ Jailbreak

Plus there's lots of app that let you transfer files to iDevices without going through iTunes on the store, without requiring a jailbreak. Maybe you're still left with such outdated preassumptions.

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Added on March 28, 2012, 3:33 amI'm sorry, you're wrong,



Based on the image above, it's just a small portion on the A5X that's been designed by ARM. Other than that (plus other than the GPUs, and some other smaller parts) are designed by Apple.

You see, an A5X chip is not even designed by ARM. To put in perspective, Apple use ARM design of the chip to be implemented on the whole chip design. ARM licenses their design to be implemented by SoC designers, just like Nvidia, Qualcomm, Samsung, Texas Instruments and other semiconductor company do. It's not the same thing as being "repackage". Those are custom chip, just like how an Nvidia Tegra chip is. And of course different companies got different designs and implementations, that makes them achieving different kind of performance within the same generation of CPU.

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Apple is very capable of designing a chip since they already go their VLSI team since its early years. Plus they already got Intrinsity and PA Semi since years ago. PA Semi even designs chip for use in defense industries (e.g: missiles) so to speak. So saying Apple of being incapable of designing a chip is simply nonsense.

Plus if you read more on history, in 80's Apple was even one of the company that done work on a chip with Acorn, with the design being so important that the whole chip design team on Acorn spun off into a company now known as ARM Holdings. Guess what they were working on? A next gen ARM chip of that time.

Oh btw, as a comparison, Nvidia is a fabless semiconductor company too just like Apple. In fact, another renowned SoC company Qualcomm is also fabless. Heck, AMD is also going fabless in near time, consolidating all the fab into its spinoff GlobalFoundries. So it's normal for a company to have its design being manufactured on another company, even its own competitors. There's even a time when Intel Atom chip is being manufactured at TSMC.

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If you don't know, Nvidia also uses ARM cores in their Tegra lineups. So looks like you're just making up stories out of thin air.

And actually, it's not because of their high price that made MS ditching Nvidia for their xbox360. It's just that Microsoft want a total control of the cores being implemented on the design, so their chip designers won't face any difficulties in redesigning the whole package (XCGPU). And it seemed that the ATi's design (now AMD) is their golden ticket at that time.

This post has been edited by EatMe: Mar 28 2012, 05:11 AM

U just makes me giggles when u said jailbreak is not for piracy.. I mean, look around u.. XD

Yes, jailbreak is similar in theory as rooting in Android, but practically different in purpose of why u would want to do it..c'mon, u knw, I knw.haha

Well, sometimes depend on users. Some users "God, Apple is so great, like I want to a slave for it, like its OK Apple, do whatever u want, put whatever price u want, its ok, coz all I want is just iDevices"

And the other group might voice out what they want.

But at the end, me myself can't deny Apple has done good Job and very innovative. Me myself is a user of iPhone and MacBook. Very satisfied with them. But at some points I just wish some things different from what it is now.

I'm sorry you got a wrong perception. Both "jailbreak" and "rooting" are means of privilege escalation on the OS. It's not theoretical, it's the very thing that both jailbreak and root does to the operating system, to get root access. That's their defining purpose.

Jailbreak is not illegal even to DMCA. Piracy is.

btw it's already way off topic.

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Well, as long as it's human-made, nothing is perfect. I'm not really into "My X is better than your Y" kind of discussion, I'm just laying out all those facts so people don't misunderstood anymore. Take example of the chip discussion on how "an X chip is just a repackaged stuff" etc. The thing is that they don't really know the real facts and how it's actually an industrywide practice to adopt an existing core design and customizing it deeply so it's now a very distinct product. Or well, at least they can say "those Y and Z brands are also repackaged too since all of them are using the same cores in their design" .

In fact, I'm saying all companies has to do some compromise on various aspects so that they can have a good balance of price/feature/battery life, whichever they see it fit. I think you can already imagine more on that alone.

This post has been edited by EatMe: Mar 28 2012, 04:51 AM

Dude..I think I knw better than u dy..all the facts u said were commonly known.. even regarding the chip, even if Apple design them, and incorporate ARM core, doesn't mean Apple manufacture themselves.Apple have a lot of partner factories. There is differences in designing and manufacturing.

About jailbreak and rooting , maybe my English is very bad that u can't understand what i mean. Sorry for that. How jailbreak contribute to piracy? After jailbreak, user can install pirated apps, and do whatever restricted by Apple.. which is different from rooting purpose in Android. User do rooting to increase performance and functions of the device.

My point before was, Apple made the environment closed is not solely due to prevent piracy (and they are not trying hard to fight piracy tho, they just make it a reason to make the environment closed).because if they really are want to fight piracy,the should prevent jailbreak at the first place. So, it was just a marketing strategy to sell thing thru iTunes

This post has been edited by un_id: Mar 28 2012, 10:23 AM

The thing is, some people in this thread don't know that. Just look at the quotes above.

Although your claim of "I know better then you" seemed somewhat dubious, I'd assume that at least you know what I'm explaining. But when you thought something should be well-known, doesn't necessarily mean everyone knew that.

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Sorry, maybe my Engrish is the one that's bad. Jailbreak is by very definition is privilege escalation on the OS so it can run arbitrary code, just like how root is on the Android. Jailbreak is just a term FFS. You can even see it shows root on command line on a jailbroken iPhone, which shouldn't came as surprise since both Android and iOS are based on UNIX-like operating systems. So, you're wrong on that.

Plus you should know that lot's of stuff achieved by jailbreak is to add functionality to the device. Take example of Mobile Notifier for earlier iOS versions, of which now not much needed anymore since the functionalities are already baked in the newer OS. Still, there are lots of other optimisations available under jailbreak if you don't know.

Btw if jailbreak and piracy is your concern then there are lot of more appropriate thread where you can throw your thoughts in. But I'll just entertain you this time. Jailbreak is perfectly legal even to DMCA, while piracy is not. So I'd say piracy isn't equal to jailbreak. It's not mostly about iTunes, since the biggest pie in Apple revenue is from its hardware, not even the App Store. That's a well known fact from their quarterly announcements for the investors.

But if your accusation is right then more power to them either way. The App Store marks a milestone in the apps development where indie developers can get the same exposure as other developers does, with low cost of admission and high revenue. Rewind the earth to pre-App Store era, third-party stores selling Symbian and WinMo 6 apps (the major stores of that time) are selling apps at outrageous price. The devs can't help much either since the admission cost is pretty high (certification fee, registration fee, some even impose added fees if more than 5 apps published). Fast forward today, I'm more than happy to be a paying customer on either platform, with the price being drove down into somewhat more bearable. So what's your point? Even El Goog now consolidates its various marketplace into Google Play, so a unified store should be a very good thing for us and for them.

Oh btw, whining around in public on how piracy should be a feature is completely out of place. Well, I'm not stopping anyone to do either, feel free if that's gonna make you happy. But saying it out loud is plain unsmart. Feeling of self-entitlement on stolen products, that's ironic.

IMHO, any further discussion on jailbreak should be continued on other more appropriate threads. This is getting more and more out of topic.

This post has been edited by EatMe: Mar 28 2012, 05:12 PM

oh,then what about freedom to transfer document?pdf file? illegal also?

yeah, your definition about jailbreak is correct.. no need to open more dictionary to define, because most people already know.. my point was just what is the actual purpose of many user doing jailbreak.. but i don't quite understand why are you so defensive about this.. are u Apple's worker or something? or Job's relative?

>>whining around in public on how piracy should be a feature is completely out of place. Well, I'm not stopping anyone to do either, feel free if that's gonna make you happy. But saying it out loud is plain unsmart. Feeling of self-entitlement on stolen products, that's ironic.<<
gosshh i assume my English is really bad, coz u seems to really don't understand what i'm talking about. or, can u READ English properly?? when did i said that i want piracy to be a feature?? i said, i wish it is an open environment. open environment=piracy?? then u should Google more or open dictionary about this. if i'm a song writer, sharing ideas with friends and groups on music, so i wrote a music line, then give a copy to friend, and so does my friends share their music with me, or even simply sharing jamming videos, is that piracy? LOL.. then YouTube is a big giant pirate?

Even Google, Symbian or any other platform having their own marketplace, but still they did not restrict user to their own market only. for example, on Samsung device, u can buy apps on Google Play, or from Samsung itself (there is an embedded Samsung Apps app in the device). Or u can go buy straight from developer in some forum. so, even small/part timer developer can sell their product this way. again, piracy still depend on user their self. to really prevent piracy, by creating a closed environment if not a better approach. but, they should put more approach to educate users to not doing piracy.

well, if u read my initial posts, what i said actually was Apple devices are great innovation, but i wish they are more open environment. but seems peoples' replies leads to out of topic. LOL

anyway, cheers.

Ok, getting added functionalities on jailbreak isn't just by definition. Coming from early days of iOS (of which got different name then), I can say that jailbreak is almost a necessity at that time. Well, it was Apple's decision to advocate web apps to fill the gap, without even opening the SDKs to developers. So obviously they had bet on the wrong horse. I'd say that Apple is not always right, plenty of times they got it wrong. If I'm classified as some kind of Apple faithful or relative then I shouldn't tell you that just now, plus lots of other things above. So you can help me by stop self-contradicting yourself.

So it's where jailbreak comes in. With nil 3rd party native apps it's just a necessity to have apps installed through that mean. Fast forward years later, lots of functionalities previously offered by jailbreak are implemented into the OS, with some devs already land their job on the OS team. It's just time changes, and some got deprecated. And some other new functions gets developed. It's a constant cycle. So the existence of jailbreak is the very practical way on asking Apple to innovate, instead of whining around. This kind of challenge situation is part of merit on why jailbreak is afloat, and stays legal.

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Well, that's figuratively speaking. What I'm implying is that from last page to this post you're still implying on how piracy is not a problem, and touting it as an advantage. That's figuratively speaking, and it's so obvious sir.

Plus I haven't even implied on how open environment equals piracy. And conversely, I have even said that jailbreaking, as a mean to have an OS more open, doesn't equal to piracy. So again, please stop self-contradicting one more time.

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Well, you can share stuff in iOS with some apps that's available either on AppStore and jailbreak. That point is rather outdated.

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Well, again what's the advantage of having one app hosted at different repositories? Since apps are already being sold at rock bottom price, there's no true economical gain of having it on different stores. And I'm not just saying that for the store alone.

- For store owner, the great way to market an app is to have it being sold at low price, and marketing an app will be easier. But that requires sales in very big volume, or the developers will run away. Quality apps require investment too.
- For apps developers, they just have to manage their app in one place. There's no need for approval on various marketplace for one platform. Update is streamlined too.
- For apps purchasers, they can have cheap, quality apps.

Even the other juggernaut in the software field, Microsoft, has already migrated into this kind of practice for app distribution on Windows Phone, and it has been confirmed that Metro-apps will solely becomes exclusive on Windows Store, of which the only way to get apps for its ARM-based flagship OS, Windows 8.



Oh btw let's just be honest. Given choices of stores, if an app is made available on both Samsung Apps and Google Play, which one will you get? So that alone is the reason why your points are rather moot

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Well, I noticed that, thanks for reminding me. It's just that I'm suggesting this kind of discussion should be continued on the proper thread. Glancing up the title and then looking back to the posts, it seems very out of place even for mine. People will get confused.



Reverting into silent mode then.

oh before that, have a nice day

This post has been edited by EatMe: Mar 29 2012, 06:22 AM

LoL.

Thanks. U have teach me a lot, Mr. Obvious. Thanks for the effort.

Btw, just a quick info for u. Samsung do give a bunch of free app available to be downloaded from its devices. So tell me why should I buy from Google market if there is a free one? And there are some website/forum selling discounted/free apps too. THEY ARE LEGAL, before u say anything. They are just investing to attract viewers to their sites, and they gain profit from advertisement. Given a freedom in Android market, users and seller can get more benefit. Oh no, I'm wrong again, u gonna reply again. Oh I'm so out from here. Daaaaaaa...

Good day.

This post has been edited by un_id: Apr 3 2012, 12:58 AM

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I like apple product, high quality but pricey... I owned ipad 2 n ipod shuffle.. both devices gav me a full satisfaction howeva I really hate using the itunes, that is why I love my sony tablet s more as it is more open..

Please keep this thread to benchmarking result dscussion and not jailbreak discussion.

Well, don't take it too personal. It's just that you've been totally out of topic.

This post has been edited by EatMe: Jul 3 2012, 01:57 PM