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post Mar 19 2012, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 19 2012, 12:20 PM)
the battles continues with no ends.. biggrin.gif

if only iDevice is more open (like it can just copy and paste song without iTunes) i would opt to it. i.e sometime, if u see some interesting songs/videos on your friend PC, there is no way for u to put into your iDevice, unless u copy to a hard drive, then go back to your PC to sync. if u synced your device with your home PC, then u need to go back home to sync. its a hassle

another thing, i don't like the way they sucks money from consumers by offering similar device with different internal memory (non-expandable).

other than that, Apple really create good products. undeniable. smile.gif
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not sure what u saying, but i able to use my ipad direct access my fileserver and directly play video, no copying is needed, all you need is to enable samba in your windows based file share.
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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 19 2012, 12:20 PM)
the battles continues with no ends.. biggrin.gif

if only iDevice is more open (like it can just copy and paste song without iTunes) i would opt to it. i.e sometime, if u see some interesting songs/videos on your friend PC, there is no way for u to put into your iDevice, unless u copy to a hard drive, then go back to your PC to sync. if u synced your device with your home PC, then u need to go back home to sync. its a hassle

another thing, i don't like the way they sucks money from consumers by offering similar device with different internal memory (non-expandable).

other than that, Apple really create good products. undeniable. smile.gif
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Yes u can if u jailbreak....
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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 19 2012, 12:20 PM)
the battles continues with no ends.. biggrin.gif

if only iDevice is more open (like it can just copy and paste song without iTunes) i would opt to it. i.e sometime, if u see some interesting songs/videos on your friend PC, there is no way for u to put into your iDevice, unless u copy to a hard drive, then go back to your PC to sync. if u synced your device with your home PC, then u need to go back home to sync. its a hassle

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Jailbreaking is super easy.

Lots of Android devices are crippled too to do other things in its stock firmware. Rooting is the cure, just like how jailbreak is for iDevices.

Similar stuff.

QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 19 2012, 12:20 PM)
another thing, i don't like the way they sucks money from consumers by offering similar device with different internal memory (non-expandable).
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Actually for their devices (especially the iPad), the margin is so low for them that they have to provide different SKUs for each flagship product. It's so that the higher-priced SKUs can spread the margin that Apple got so thin on the lower end. You can do the comparison yourself on its bill-of-material (B.O.M). The higher capacity version is where the money actually at, but it also happen to be the model that we've not much bought either.

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Oh btw, Android's best-selling model that available in our market, Galaxy Tab 10.1, doesn't have SD card slot at all. But I don't believe Samsung is a money sucker. It's just a very competitive market of low-margin sales.

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QUOTE(EatMe @ Mar 20 2012, 09:18 PM)
Jailbreaking is super easy.

Lots of Android devices are crippled too to do other things in its stock firmware. Rooting is the cure, just like how jailbreak is for iDevices.

Similar stuff.
Actually for their devices (especially the iPad), the margin is so low for them that they have to provide different SKUs for each flagship product. It's so that the higher-priced SKUs can spread the margin that Apple got so thin on the lower end. You can do the comparison yourself on its bill-of-material (B.O.M). The higher capacity version is where the money actually at, but it also happen to be the model that we've not much bought either.

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Oh btw, Android's best-selling model that available in our market, Galaxy Tab 10.1, doesn't have SD card slot at all. But I don't believe Samsung is a money sucker. It's just a very competitive market of low-margin sales.

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nope.. rooting have different purpose than jailbreak.. no no no.. they are different.. i dont think i need to say more on this, as it has been discussed many times elsewhere.. i use both android and ios, i know both environment pretty well..

regarding the pricing and storage capacity, simple, they could just standardize the price, and let consumer to choose either to expand the memory storage later. it is because also there is a wide range of microSD card out there, so why not give consumer choices of what suites them.

who said samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is the best selling model for Android device? LOL. there is a wide range of choices out there. as for myself, i'm using SG Tab 7.7.. it got everything i need, decent camera, decent display (super amoled plus), expandable storage, 3G and phone funtionality, and i bought it at RM1750, way cheaper than the 3G version of ipad. but, i have to admit, the OS is not as smooth as iOS (unless if i root to enhance its performance<< thats the perpose of rooting, not to install pirated apps.. LOL ).. so, i wish Apple as opened as android environment, then i would not look back to other brand. thumbup.gif

oppss.. this is out of topic.. sorry TS

P/S: i don't jailbreak my iDevice

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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 21 2012, 02:18 AM)
nope.. rooting have different purpose than jailbreak.. no no no.. they are different.. i dont think i need to say more on this, as it has been discussed many times elsewhere.. i use both android and ios, i know both environment pretty well..

regarding the pricing and storage capacity, simple, they could just standardize the price, and let consumer to choose either to expand the memory storage later. it is because also there is a wide range of microSD card out there, so why not give consumer choices of what suites them.

who said samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is the best selling model for Android device? LOL. there is a wide range of choices out there. as for myself, i'm using SG Tab 7.7.. it got everything i need, decent camera, decent display (super amoled plus), expandable storage, 3G and phone funtionality, and i bought it at RM1750, way cheaper than the 3G version of ipad. but, i have to admit, the OS is not as smooth as iOS (unless if i root to enhance its performance<< thats the perpose of rooting, not to install pirated apps.. LOL ).. so, i wish Apple as opened as android environment, then i would not look back to other brand. thumbup.gif

oppss.. this is out of topic.. sorry TS

P/S: i don't jailbreak my iDevice
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I have a Galaxy S phone and the performance is very poor. Keep changing rom to find a good one but till today there is none that can reach the performance of the IOS. Even the 3GS perform way better.

In the end i realise.....Cheap things not good, Good things not cheap.

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QUOTE(Eidilfitrix @ Mar 18 2012, 12:00 AM)
The A5X chip was designed by Apple but manufactured by Samsung.
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Apple did not "design" the chip in anyway. It's an ARM chip. They just repackaged it to their name...just like A4.


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QUOTE(Matrix @ Mar 21 2012, 07:24 AM)
Apple did not "design" the chip in anyway. It's an ARM chip. They just repackaged it to their name...just like A4.
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ARM is a company that churns out design. They dont make chips. If you have your own design team, you can licence the design from ARM and then make the alteration as much as you like. The core remain the same but you can alter the pipe length, number of cores etc.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:51 AM)
ARM is a company that churns out design. They dont make chips. If you have your own design team, you can licence the design from ARM and then make the alteration as much as you like. The core remain the same but you can alter the pipe length, number of cores etc.
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Yes, ARM design the chips. And Samsung has the best manufacturing capability and process for mobile chips. So please don't say Apple capable of designing any chip(the other guy, not you). It's hogwash.

ARM is the Intel of the mobile CPU world, except they don't do the manufacturing unlike Intel. Nvidia has just started into the mobile cpu world with the Tegra chip a few years back, now has some in roads (but tegra isn't selling so well actually, maybe too expensive....Nvidia always sell their stuff very high price, which explain why MS ditch them for the XBOX360) and Intel will put up their medfield (atom based) mobile cpu to compete soon.

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:19 AM)
I have a Galaxy S phone and the performance is very poor.  Keep changing rom to find a good one but till today there is none that can reach the performance of the IOS. Even the 3GS perform way better.

In the end i realise.....Cheap things not good, Good things not cheap.
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The galaxy s is the worst android i have used. So dont make a general statement just based on one bad experience..
I have used many androids n all the iphone seriez too. All ipads too. See my signature
Try the latest androids n your view of android will change

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hurm..
not bad.

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:19 AM)
I have a Galaxy S phone and the performance is very poor.  Keep changing rom to find a good one but till today there is none that can reach the performance of the IOS. Even the 3GS perform way better.

In the end i realise.....Cheap things not good, Good things not cheap.
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Yes very true. So don't buy cheap android phone like galaxy s... Buy at least S2, Note, Razr, or Nexus.
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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 19 2012, 12:20 PM)
if u see some interesting songs/videos on your friend PC, there is no way for u to put into your iDevice, unless u copy to a hard drive, then go back to your PC to sync. if u synced your device with your home PC, then u need to go back home to sync. its a hassle
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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 21 2012, 02:18 AM)
thats the perpose of rooting, not to install pirated apps..
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jus on a contrary, if so when ever you buy a physical copy of CD, you still need a terminal to dump the songs in..while itunes allow on the fly purchase (atleast with US store, not our sucky MY store). i believe if you do not pirate apps, den there is no need to copy the music from your friend computer.
back to topic, haters gonna hate as each chip has its own capability and manufacturer will always try to have their own stuff (port/codes/etc) to maximize profits. eg BR vs HD DVD, VHS vs Betamax. keeping it to only 6 SKUs for ipad with almost 90% similarlity practically lower down the whole inventory holding cost. In some company the philosophy is to create as much products for customer making the company look good in its offering, but this also spell problem for the supply chain side. Some would have prefer to stock on parts some assembly can just quickly change one part the shortage SKU is now available.

QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 21 2012, 02:18 AM)
regarding the pricing and storage capacity, simple, they could just standardize the price, and let consumer to choose either to expand the memory storage later. it is because also there is a wide range of microSD card out there, so why not give consumer choices of what suites them.
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By having minimal change on the SKU, these are also standardization (in accordance to the company policy, not market driven), and if you notice even buying an RAM upgrade on the MBP are also classifying it to CTO rather then MTS. Each company has a target market, which will buy (just like follower of cult), some would just be leader and create their own standard. some would rather just be in between

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QUOTE(razr_sped @ Mar 21 2012, 09:03 AM)
jus on a contrary, if so when ever you buy a physical copy of CD, you still need a terminal to dump the songs in..while itunes allow on the fly purchase (atleast with US store, not our sucky MY store). i believe if you do not pirate apps, den there is no need to copy the music from your friend computer.
back to topic, haters gonna hate as each chip has its own capability and manufacturer will always try to have their own stuff (port/codes/etc) to maximize profits. eg BR vs HD DVD, VHS vs Betamax. keeping it to only 6 SKUs for ipad with almost 90% similarlity practically lower down the whole inventory holding cost. In some company the philosophy is to create as much products for customer making the company look good in its offering, but this also spell problem for the supply chain side. Some would have prefer to stock on parts some assembly can just quickly change one part the shortage SKU is now available.
By having minimal change on the SKU, these are also standardization (in accordance to the company policy, not market driven), and if you notice even buying an RAM upgrade on the MBP are also classifying it to CTO rather then MTS. Each company has a target market, which will buy (just like follower of cult), some would just be leader and create their own standard. some would rather just be in between
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Just a reply on piracy thing.. Not all song/video are made to be sold.. I.e commercial video, theme song etc. That's what I referred to.
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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 21 2012, 08:57 AM)
Yes very true. So don't buy cheap android phone like galaxy s... Buy at least S2, Note, Razr, or Nexus.
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For your info, when Galaxy S first launch it cost more than 2K too and that is not cheap. You cannot compare the newer generation phone with the Galaxy S!!! What I am saying is that even the 3GS outperform the SGS.

In the end, I prefer the IOS environment over the android period. It just work!
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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 21 2012, 02:18 AM)
nope.. rooting have different purpose than jailbreak.. no no no.. they are different.. i dont think i need to say more on this, as it has been discussed many times elsewhere.. i use both android and ios, i know both environment pretty well..

regarding the pricing and storage capacity, simple, they could just standardize the price, and let consumer to choose either to expand the memory storage later. it is because also there is a wide range of microSD card out there, so why not give consumer choices of what suites them.

who said samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is the best selling model for Android device? LOL. there is a wide range of choices out there. as for myself, i'm using SG Tab 7.7.. it got everything i need, decent camera, decent display (super amoled plus), expandable storage, 3G and phone funtionality, and i bought it at RM1750, way cheaper than the 3G version of ipad. but, i have to admit, the OS is not as smooth as iOS (unless if i root to enhance its performance<< thats the perpose of rooting, not to install pirated apps.. LOL ).. so, i wish Apple as opened as android environment, then i would not look back to other brand. thumbup.gif

oppss.. this is out of topic.. sorry TS

P/S: i don't jailbreak my iDevice
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Agree on that, rooting for Android is for performance tweak + customize tweak. Not for illegal pirated apps. Pirated apps no need any root access.

Actually Apple product always superb, that is not deniable. Just it not as opened as Android environment.

QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:19 AM)
I have a Galaxy S phone and the performance is very poor.  Keep changing rom to find a good one but till today there is none that can reach the performance of the IOS. Even the 3GS perform way better.

In the end i realise.....Cheap things not good, Good things not cheap.
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Even though Galaxy S is quite famous that time, but it is a poor design phone, it is slow, too much slow, even slower than Google Nexus One or HTC Desire that time. It just too slow and not smooth nor-matter you pick which ROM on it. I afraid to said Galaxy S is the worst Android phone ever release, it too bad and not suitable use for judging Android OS.


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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Mar 18 2012, 08:35 AM)
Unless you convert them to Apple format to get hardware accelerated video playback, otherwise it wont be smooth. Anything other than Apple format will be soft decoded with the poor dual core 1ghz which wont be enough for most video to play smoothly.
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That is one of the issue that bothering me. I actually quite want the new iPad. Just some small issue still buzz me whether want to buy it or not (like video support, no USB as storage, that troublesome iTunes - I hate iTunes), I need a decent touch pad, for performance wise, seems only new iPad fulfill me. None of Android tab at the moment I like and fulfill my needs.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Mar 21 2012, 10:56 AM)
Agree on that, rooting for Android is for performance tweak + customize tweak. Not for illegal pirated apps. Pirated apps no need any root access.

Actually Apple product always superb, that is not deniable. Just it not as opened as Android environment.

Galaxy S is quite famous that time, but it is a poor design phone, it is slow, too much slow, even slower than Google Nexus One or HTC Desire that time. It just too slow and not smooth nor-matter you pick which ROM on it.


Added on March 21, 2012, 10:59 amThat is one of the issue that bothering me. I actually quite want the new iPad. Just some small issue still buzz me whether want to buy it or not (like video support, no USB as storage, that troublesome iTunes - I hate iTunes), I need a decent touch pad, for performance wise, seems only new iPad fulfill me. None of Android tab at the moment I like and fulfill my needs.
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Just head over the Galaxy S thread and you can see how good they tell you the phone is.

Anyway, Android has its strength. I have try both the Android and the IOS and I have decided that IOS is for me.
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 21 2012, 11:03 AM)
Just head over the Galaxy S thread and you can see how good they tell you the phone is.

Anyway, Android has its strength.  I have try both the Android and the IOS and I have decided that IOS is for me.
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Haha! is like that one, you need to test / play a lot of it just knew which is good or bad.

Even Galaxy W now is much better than Galaxy S in performance.

For the moment, pick Galaxy S II, Galaxy Nexus (probably New Sony XPERIA S can be consider as well, I not test it yet, can't confirm, from paper spec, this device also not bad) for it real performance of Android.

iOS always did decent, just it too many restriction, and iPhone screen too small for me, at least 3.7 inch is required for a decent touch usage. The best is between 4.2 to 4.5 inch.

iPad wise, I do like it a lot, just some small issue bothering me whether to pick it, for now, I need to wait and see whether new badge of Android tab did better or not. Current Android tab none is my expectation except Asus Transformer Prime seems nearly meet my requirement on smoothness but still not enough. I can't stand any device that is slightly jerking in smooth animation feel. That is the main issue, no Android tab for me now.
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QUOTE(un_id @ Mar 19 2012, 12:20 PM)
the battles continues with no ends.. biggrin.gif

if only iDevice is more open (like it can just copy and paste song without iTunes) i would opt to it. i.e sometime, if u see some interesting songs/videos on your friend PC, there is no way for u to put into your iDevice, unless u copy to a hard drive, then go back to your PC to sync. if u synced your device with your home PC, then u need to go back home to sync. its a hassle

another thing, i don't like the way they sucks money from consumers by offering similar device with different internal memory (non-expandable).

other than that, Apple really create good products. undeniable. smile.gif
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It's people like you that Apple is trying to contain. Freedom to transfer songs/movies from your friend's PC equals to stealing a song without paying for it. Why do you think the bluetooth is also designed merely for connecting to earphones/speakers?

People download songs/movies illegally either way. Just keep quiet about it. It's your choice to do so. But don't whine in public when manufacturers choose to produce hardware or software that prevents you from doing so which is suppose to be illegal.
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Android is kind of like Windows which is why I kind of hate now. The IOS is a lot simple and I don't have to really work on the folder level.
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QUOTE(matthewctj @ Mar 21 2012, 04:43 PM)
It's people like you that Apple is trying to contain. Freedom to transfer songs/movies from your friend's PC equals to stealing a song without paying for it. Why do you think the bluetooth is also designed merely for connecting to earphones/speakers?

People download songs/movies illegally either way. Just keep quiet about it. It's your choice to do so. But don't whine in public when manufacturers choose to produce hardware or software that prevents you from doing so which is suppose to be illegal.
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AGAIN- if u read my previous reply, i said, not all song/video are meant to be sold. i.e commercial video, theme songs etc. that what i referred to.. don't simply flame on people.. oh, u jailbroken your device do u? what, to increase performance? NO, performance is already good, so it is to install pirated apps.. yawn.gif oh, did u not? good then. oh, don't tell me, all your songs were bought from iTunes? oh no, u got it already stored in your PC even before you buy a iphone, tons of them, so then u just put it into iTunes library then sync. so ORIGINAL, not piracy at all.

do a survey, how many percent iDevices are jailbroken and compare to how many are not? so, if its Apple strategy that prevent "copy and paste" in order to prevent piracy, it is not quite successful. so if they really are trying hard to prevent piracy, so nab those jailbreaker! put them in prison, or at least blacklist all jailbroken device from iTunes (i'm 100% sure they can do that). but, u know, their main purpose wasn't really that, but it is to keep the environment closed, so that people stick to iTunes. its their market, isn't that obvious?

in Android environment, if u want, u can easily install pirated apps anytime, without even need the root access. but, its pretty unique that Android community were raised in the sense of to appreciate developer. because they want more things on Android, so they are willing to pay. they even willing to simply donate to developer. another thing is pirated apps usually contain malware/might interfere with the OS to make it slower, so users normally prevent this (if they are aware so). so, Google don't have to force consumer to not to do piracy. they just sit back and let the community grow and learn. if there is a rule, so there will be people to "jailbreak" them.

IMHO. cheers.

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