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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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MakNok
post Oct 5 2012, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 5 2012, 11:25 AM)
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This one they sent a mail sometime back dy announcing to the investors that they will need to freeze for a year because they want to become IPO.

So now this company don't accept new investors and all the ROI will be converted to stocks or return back in cash.

The problem here is that most investors don't know how to read the announcement thus the confusion.
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http://forums.cariemas.com/showthread.php?t=6014

"VGMC MALAYSIA"

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so, is it possible that genneva already collapsed, then ask BNM to sapu them, so they no need to pay invester at all.....
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post Oct 5 2012, 12:10 PM

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BNM not suka2 to freeze any company. If legit business, they should have submit proper account for audit. But I heard Genneva have not submit their account for 2-3 years already, not sure. That should raise the suspicion.....

anyway, you said about big different between suspicion and reports/complaints. How do you know BNM/SC didn't received any complaints? They probably act based on the complaints received. which is why before they act, they advertised first to the public to be careful of such investment scheme.

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I think if they can justify their accounting and source of funds then it should be fine.

The question now is, are they able to.
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QUOTE(napoli26 @ Oct 5 2012, 12:08 PM)
so, is it possible that genneva already collapsed, then ask BNM to sapu them, so they no need to pay invester at all.....
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If there still some money left at all
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post Oct 5 2012, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(napoli26 @ Oct 5 2012, 12:08 PM)
so, is it possible that genneva already collapsed, then ask BNM to sapu them, so they no need to pay invester at all.....
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There was a conspriracy theory ike this put up by MartinLee in May 12...


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post Oct 5 2012, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Oct 5 2012, 12:05 PM)
Come On..BNM are not that blooody stupid to freeze a legit company.
You think play play kah?

BNM definitely will move in ONLY if they have more than sufficient evidence.

Tell me..have BNM ever freeze a legit company before?
All your argument here is trying to make BNM in a bad light.
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post Oct 5 2012, 12:23 PM

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mmm... BNM already gave indication what's going to happen to genneve.
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http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...51&sec=business

Published: Friday October 5, 2012 MYT 11:37:00 AM
BNM: Genneva Malaysia raided for suspected offences including illegal deposit taking

KUALA LUMPUR: The authorities are investigating Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd and its related companies for suspected offences which include illegal deposit taking, money laundering, tax evasion and avoidance.

Bank Negara Malaysia said on Friday the other suspected offences included false description including misrepresentations, appointment of agents without licence and failure to lodge statutory documents.

On Monday, the police, BNM, Ministry of Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism and the Companies Commission of Malaysia raided several premises of Genneva Malaysia and residences of the company's directors.

BNM said relevant assets and documents of the companies seized from the raid would be preserved for the purpose of facilitating the investigations.

"The relevant enforcement agencies have mobilised the necessary resources to expedite the investigations," it said.

The central bank advised the public to check with the relevant authorities when dealing with companies or individuals offering seemingly attractive business opportunities or financial services that are not licensed by the authorities.

"Members of the public are reminded to be cautious in investing in unregulated schemes. The enforcement agencies will take action on illegal financial schemes to protect the interest of the investors and the public at large," said BNM.


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Stockholm syndrome.

Go read it up.
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QUOTE(GuyzNexDoor @ Oct 5 2012, 12:23 PM)
mmm... BNM already gave indication what's going to happen to genneve.


KUALA LUMPUR: The authorities are investigating Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd and its related companies for suspected offences which include illegal deposit taking, money laundering, tax evasion and avoidance.

Bank Negara Malaysia said on Friday the other suspected offences included false description including misrepresentations, appointment of agents without licence and failure to lodge statutory documents.


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Rumours they havent submitted their accounts since 2009?
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post Oct 5 2012, 12:36 PM

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I knew this will happen at the end. " if the investment sounds too good to be true, then you gotta be careful."
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QUOTE(napoli26 @ Oct 5 2012, 12:08 PM)
so, is it possible that genneva already collapsed, then ask BNM to sapu them, so they no need to pay invester at all.....
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that could be part of the game plan. its not their 1st time, and its a heck of a way as an exist plan. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(mchicken @ Oct 5 2012, 12:36 PM)
I knew this will happen at the end. " if the investment sounds too good to be true, then you gotta be careful."
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people will never learn...

investing is like driving. if you dont know how to, you will crash into the drain

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 5 2012, 12:27 PM)
Rumours they havent submitted their accounts since 2009?
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If this is true, then BNM act TOO SLOW. 2009 until 2012 was like 3 years.......
If the company is not summiting their account, HOW IS THE COMPANY LEGIT??????
Yet so many people fail to see this.

If only BNM act faster, then there will be less victims.
The fact that BNM acted so slow make people think the company got no problem and somehow legit since no authorities raid it!

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QUOTE(anudora @ Oct 5 2012, 12:49 PM)
If this is true, then BNM act TOO SLOW. 2009 until 2012 was like 3 years.......
If the company is not summiting their account, HOW IS THE COMPANY LEGIT??????
Yet so many people fail to see this.

If only BNM act faster, then there will be less victims.
The fact that BNM acted so slow make people think the company got no problem and somehow legit since no authorities raid it!
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bnm needs time to investigate and issues warnings....if still nothing only they take action...

2-3 years seems alright...
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QUOTE(anudora @ Oct 5 2012, 12:49 PM)
If this is true, then BNM act TOO SLOW. 2009 until 2012 was like 3 years.......
If the company is not summiting their account, HOW IS THE COMPANY LEGIT??????
Yet so many people fail to see this.

If only BNM act faster, then there will be less victims.
The fact that BNM acted so slow make people think the company got no problem and somehow legit since no authorities raid it!
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my dad used to have a shell company, never submitted account for more than 3 years. BNM didn't do anything because it's not in their jurisdiction. SSM only issues fine. just pay lor....anyway that company wound up already. tongue.gif

failure to submit statutory documents fall under SSM. Maybe SSM did issue fines, and Genneva just pay, after all they got money. BNM starts to take interest because of suspected money laundering and illegal deposit taking.....

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QUOTE(ciahcra @ Oct 5 2012, 01:02 PM)
my dad used to have a shell company, never submitted account for more than 3 years. BNM didn't do anything because it's not in their jurisdiction. SSM only issues fine. just pay lor....anyway that company wound up already.  tongue.gif

failure to submit statutory documents fall under SSM. Maybe SSM did issue fines, and Genneva just pay, after all they got money. BNM starts to take interest because of suspected money laundering and illegal deposit taking.....
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Thanks for clarifying things here.

So I guess the first warning signal is when the company fail to submit account to SSM.
Since Genneva is an investment company, I think the responsibility still fall to BNM.
Maybe they really need 2-3 years since the companies in the alert list on their website is so long.
I knew BNM had include Genneva in the alert list but lots of victim still believe the company.
The attitude of the people are like the list is non-relevant.
Donno what to say.....

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post Oct 5 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(anudora @ Oct 5 2012, 01:13 PM)
Thanks for clarifying things here.

So I guess the first warning signal is when the company fail to submit account to SSM.
Since Genneva is an investment company, I think the responsibility still fall to BNM.
Maybe they really need 2-3 years since the companies in the alert list on their website is so long.
I knew BNM had include Genneva in the alert list but lots of victim still believe the company.
The attitude of the people are like the list is non-relevant.
Donno what to say.....
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First signal was not come from failure of documents submission.
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Oct 5 2012, 01:18 PM)
First signal was not come from failure of documents submission.
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I did not follow the whole genneva thing process so please help clear thing here.
That is why I put the word guess there....
Of course if you say the high return low risk thing is the first signal also can.......
But due to pro genneva say the company function is very normal in term of legal technicalities.
"Failure to submission since 2009" suits the failure in term of legal technicalities.
That is why I say that.

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