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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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prophetjul
post Sep 21 2012, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Anonymous me @ Sep 21 2012, 03:43 PM)

So, I sincerely urge existing Gen Sg customers to take up Genneva World Pte Ltd's offer to transfer your contract to them. If you transfer your contract to Asia Pacific Bullion or other goldcos, you will stand to lose quite substantially. Sell the gold in open market, you will lose also. Transfer the contract now to Gen World before it is too late.

Genneva World Pte Ltd is fully backed by Genneva Malaysia. And with new systems in placed, Gen Sg's saga will not happen again.
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See this RED FLAG?


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post Sep 22 2012, 07:18 AM

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QUOTE(Anonymous me @ Sep 22 2012, 01:43 AM)
Why am I clearly on the losing side? What did I stand to lose?

Next victim? Whatever happens I still have my gold bars.
Right! Waiting to be sold in open market with another 20 to 30% Haircut...........



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So, I sincerely urge existing Gen Sg customers to take up Genneva World Pte Ltd's offer to transfer your contract to them. If you transfer your contract to Asia Pacific Bullion or other goldcos, you will stand to lose quite substantially. Sell the gold in open market, you will lose also. Transfer the contract now to Gen World before it is too late.

Genneva World Pte Ltd is fully backed by Genneva Malaysia. And with new systems in placed, Gen Sg's saga will not happen again.

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post Sep 24 2012, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(Anonymous me @ Sep 22 2012, 09:12 PM)


No need to sell at all. I am rolling on and on to earn my hibah. I am in no need for cash.

Doesnt change the FACT of this

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(Anonymous me @ Sep 21 2012, 03:43 PM)

So, I sincerely urge existing Gen Sg customers to take up Genneva World Pte Ltd's offer to transfer your contract to them. If you transfer your contract to Asia Pacific Bullion or other goldcos, you will stand to lose quite substantially. Sell the gold in open market, you will lose also. Transfer the contract now to Gen World before it is too late.

Genneva World Pte Ltd is fully backed by Genneva Malaysia. And with new systems in placed, Gen Sg's saga will not happen again.



See this RED FLAG?

Take another 20 to 30% HAircut on top of the initial premium of 20 to 30% for a gold BA rolleyes.gif whistling.gif R
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post Sep 25 2012, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Sep 24 2012, 11:18 PM)
but what if the person really have not get the gold bar yet?

got the papers and everything, but gold bar not yet arrive only.
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RELLY?

Annoy me says "Go claim at POLIS station"! tongue.gif


Added on September 25, 2012, 7:46 am
QUOTE(HighRoller84 @ Sep 25 2012, 12:20 AM)
Haiz, really stupid people believing in Geneva Gold profits.


How stupid can Malaysians get these days??
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Not only Malaysians...just GREEDy dolts........


"A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE"- P T BARNUM

So its not gonna stop............. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 25 2012, 02:28 PM

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Customers who bought from Genneva are in a bind because of the high premium paid. Those BT spoke with paid between $91,000 and $93,000 per kilobar. UOB will buy back from the public at about $69,400 based on yesterday's indicative prices
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Says it all............25% HAIRcut...............
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post Sep 25 2012, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(transform @ Sep 25 2012, 02:51 PM)
GENNEVA GOLD WORST MORE THAN 30% EVEN WORST IF IT IS FAKE.
How to TRUST any WORD or NAME with GENNEVA on it.
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Would go that far to call them fake unless i have proof.......25% is already bad enough. Thats a FACT
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post Sep 26 2012, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 25 2012, 06:00 PM)
'Goldbeam' which is supposed to be the 'neutral' gold trader association, often praised by Pat Lu ( doh.gif), the chairman is one of the directors of Genneva and Genneva World. All of them are related, no body is neutral and the only thing they are after is your money.

Who is the chairman of goldbeam?


Added on September 26, 2012, 7:37 am
QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 26 2012, 07:11 AM)
Genneva SG and MY is different entity. Why you all so stubborn cannot see the fact?

Genneva MY is in safe hands lah....
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SAFEer than the banks in Geneva


Added on September 26, 2012, 7:38 am
QUOTE(scorpio55 @ Sep 26 2012, 07:32 AM)
Dear Edyek,
Why you so stubborn cannot see the fact?
Genneva Sg is a Ponzi that pays overpriced dividends that is impossible to sustain. And the masterminds have designed the Ponzi to rein in mountains of cash and gold before making a disappearing act.
Are you so blind as to fail to see that Genneva My is of identical design, with the same crooked masterminds behind it too? And it will also collapse and all the investors will be parted from their gold and money too!!!
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Aiayah..matey.....cant you smell SACARSm*? biggrin.gif

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post Sep 27 2012, 07:56 AM

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Its not just Genneva, but more and more Alerts on Gold related
investments in Singapore

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The Gold Gurantee Pte Ltd and Asia Pacific Bullion Pte Ltd are on MAS Alert List Now!

Asia Pacific Bullion Private Limited

Please check at www.mas.gov.sg/IAL.aspx?sc_p=A

300 Beach Road
#33-04/05/06 The Concourse
Singapore 199555
Tel: 6298 8881
Fax: 6298 8886
371 Beach Road
#06-00 Keypoint
Singapore 199597
Tel: 6692 7777
Fax: 6692 7778
Please check at www.mas.gov.sg/IAL.aspx?sc_p=A

The Gold Guarantee Pte Ltd
Please check at www.mas.gov.sg/IAL.aspx?sc_p=T

Singapore (HQ)
42A Boat Quay
Singapore 049831
Phone: 6535 4052
Fax: 6535 4076

Malaysia Office
One Mont Kiara
No 1 Jalan Kiara #18-5
50480 Kuala Lumpur
Phone: 603 6206 3328
Fax: 603 6206 3313
Mobile: 601 1123 80249
Please check at www.mas.gov.sg/IAL.aspx?sc_p=T

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MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A DEDICATED GOLD SCAM THREAD? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 28 2012, 07:54 AM

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rclxms.gif I LIKE THIS! rclxms.gif



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I tell you what. Genneva sell you gold at 30% above UOB Spot price.

How abt you pay me upfront UOB Spot price plus 30% extra (same as Genneva)? We go together to UOB.

I buy the UOB gold at spot price and keep the 30%.

I will give you on the spot the UOB gold, and another 24% (from the 30% you gave me initially).

Meaning you get the gold (same price as Genneva offered you) and the 24% immediately. No need to wait 12 months. It is immediate.

I also get the 6% (30% - 24%) immediately.

If ok, pls pm me, we meet at UOB.

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QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 29 2012, 01:38 PM)
Me also likey this. This is good business. Instant 6%. If one month I can find 100 members, i got 600% wor... Darn good "MLM" style, indeed ZERO capital needed. icon_rolleyes.gif

Client happy, me happy, UOB also happy. Salah2 UOB give me member price or commission for purchase 100kg. notworthy.gif
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Anyone having trouble reading with tablet? It seems iPad cannot show all the replies from the thread.
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Wanna start? You in Hornbill land and i in Probosis land............ biggrin.gif

Paid up R50k no problemo.......... Gold pieces no problemo............

Just get them customers and give me a month to get back to them AFTA payment......... nod.gif


Added on October 1, 2012, 7:39 am
QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Sep 30 2012, 10:36 PM)
I think he is from Singapore. Since their company collapse, so no point to defense because he lost his investment.
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Dont think he lost anything after all those CONsultant sales commission........

IF he is a smart CONsultant he would have seen the problems and NOT invest so much HIMSELF

IF............. biggrin.gif

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post Oct 2 2012, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(MBC270cdi @ Oct 1 2012, 09:20 PM)
Dear Gark,
Allow me to quote your post:"How come the pro Genneva 'investors' all so quiet liao? whistling.gif"

Also allow me to "dis-quiet".........

Judging from you putting the "whistling" gif, you seems to be very happy or enjoying seeing people suffering from their stupidity of insisting investing their money into Genneva. You will say: "Serve them right!", right?

We are all adult, greedy or not greedy, we chose our life path. There are plenty of advice here NOT to go in, we hear you, but we take the decision of going in, if we ultimately turn out to be stupid and lose money, it is our loss, vice versa, if we gain, it is our gain. On the same note, it is your right to laugh at pro-Genneva people for being stupid/greedy, but it also reflect your bad personality "whistling" at people misfortune/stupid loss.  When people lose money because of their greed/stupidity, the least you can do is to remain neutral or hoping them learning a hard lesson, the LAST thing you should do is to add salt to their wound. what do you gain out of it? I would say you get "shiok sendiri" (which is your right) in front of your PC lah. I deserve my right to think of you - gark, as a childish person.

BTW, I am one of the Pro-Genneva guy. I still have a few hundred gram in it which I can afford to "lose" it as it is already a "loose change" I have earned from earlier buy/sell. We take our chances (stupid or wise, up to each individual choice), some had made really big, some made small or may lose if Genneva close now. It is people choice. Your can advice, comment, "forumming" about it, but "whistling" at Genneva-loser? I rest my case.

FYI, I still received my "hibah" last week, as scheduled. BNM raided the office recently will be just another day in life, chances taken, earned it, done it, that's it, life go on. The extra money from the hibah will be used for my coming Samsung Note II, life worth to enjoy, not taking happiness on other's sorrow even though the "other" are not as wise as you! (the "other" can be kind hearted than you as I know some of these "stupid" investor donate their time and money for charity).  As of the gold (which you may like to think it is fake one, I don't know) in hand, can be handy as paper weight next to my Razer mechanical keyboard as my aircond have strong blower. You like Genneva to closed shop, you may got your wish now, chapter closed. So, I think you can rest now, take time to do some reflection, learn to be a better, caring person, enjoy the life you have, continue advising but don't laugh at people's misfortune/stupidity...don't!
Sorry, too serious already, time for COD3......bye .... Happy Mid-Autumn, Tq
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On the other side of the poverbial coin, do you see that YOU are a contributor to that sorrow of those who lost?

You and some may have struck it BIG.........on the LOSS of those who contributed to your profits?
Profitting on those who are SUCKers and maybe the coffin monies of the old and needy?
Whatta HYPOcrite! whistling.gif

i rest my case..............


Added on October 2, 2012, 7:57 am
QUOTE(b00n @ Oct 2 2012, 12:13 AM)
The fudamental question again....do you know what you are getting into in the first place? Are there any examples before this?

Many in this topic will want to say "I told you so".
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i told them so.........

SADly they do not have ears to hear......

Now comes the sorrows..........

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 2 2012, 09:55 AM)
Genneva "investors" who are well aware of its modus operandi yet dives in head first are not much different from those who go to Genting casinos.

For those who blindly went in, well, greed does not pay. There is no free lunch in this world.
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The Genneva model is nothing new.

Its not about investors....perse

Its about doing a Biz as in this case, CONsultants.

The FAT commissions that they make by INTRoduction nd selling the BIZ. Who do not wanna make money?
They may not even invest themselves
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QUOTE(AUGUST777 @ Oct 2 2012, 10:23 AM)
All the same, most of the bloggers here are those who sold gold and who loss much business to Genneva are blogging here in concerted effort in this forum. Is all the same bloggers who appear here most of the time. From their tone, you can discern they are not advising people but actually condemning Genneva with a vengeance. If i'm a blogger, i won't react like that. That is why most Genneva consultants are not interested in this forum.

By the way, Genneva has to suspend its operation not because they con people and absconded, get that right. They broke the law?? It has a panel of lawyers to guide them. What the authorities do, they have every right to do it. What makes you think they won't raid your gold or silver business, if they suspect you? What makes you think the Inland Revenue won't raid your business if they suspect you evade paying taxes?? And why are you so happy and judgmental on this case just because you have said in this forum "I told you?" Genneva is being investigated but YOU HAVE ALREADY PRONOUNCE JUDGMENT AS GUILTY ALREADY?? A blogger don't react this way. You have a vested interest in this topic!! If guilty, still the gold has to be given back to the depositor. No depositors complain but they were raided...this is a strange case. You laugh but one day you will be laughed at! It always come back in a circle but in another way. Just watch! You said "with this I rest my case". Don't sound like a pathetic lawyer! You aren't in that class.


Added on October 2, 2012, 10:36 am
Ha ha ha rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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i dont sell gold commercially as a disclaimer.

BUT from day 1, i asked all the questions about genneva........

IT MAY NOT have broken laws........of the country.

But it does not detract the fact

GOLD DOES NOT PAY INTEREST.......................

dOES not detract the MANY MANY RED FLAGS ALONG the way...............

Does not detract you pay 20 to 25% over spot for a gold BAR.

Did i make any judgement on its legality............did i ever? Shew me.......... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(AUGUST777 @ Oct 2 2012, 10:57 AM)
Ask an actuary to do a calculation. Then you will perhaps see the ingenuity in this. Most banks fear this cos it will weaken the paper currency. Banks have actuaries working for them. When there is a bank run, they are dead. For your interest, Federal Reserve Bank controls all world banks. Google about Federal Reserve Bank and search in You Tube, it will turn up some surprises for you (definitely). They started the fiat paper money not back by gold standard. China is moving toward backing their currency with gold, good to buy China currency! wink.gif  wink.gif  wink.gif  wink.gif
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You dont need to tell me all this......i may have been in gold investment longer than youthink..........

Genneva could be selling TULIPS for all i care.......Just dont give a bad name to GOLD........


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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Oct 2 2012, 11:05 AM)
I understand why August777 vent his/her frustration. Just put yourself in a Genneva agent's shoes.

You make 5 or 6 figure income per month for the past 1-2 years. You are enjoying your big penthouse/bungalow. Driving a BMW Lexus Merc. Wearing branded stuff. Travelling to Europe twice a year. Eat in the most high class fancy restaurants. You are the envy of your friends and relatives

Then, overnight, the Company tumbling down......its a really scary feeling....
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Aye.........scary especially when one has raked up thousands in Credit card bills paying for all those luxuires

that one THOUGHT could be paid for by future SUCKers....... biggrin.gif ............NOMORE............
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QUOTE(AUGUST777 @ Oct 2 2012, 01:36 PM)
that's all you got for an answer???????????????????? skip blogging, cos you have no ethics and can't blog but spew nonsense. don't expect me to answer you again. there are idiots who speak and are confirmed a fool!!!!!!!! sorry for being rude.
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Maybe the fool who has no ethics BUT profit should look at his own Soul.................
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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 2 2012, 10:28 PM)
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Together we stand hand in hand to overcome this challenge.
Thank you for your kind understanding…





Does that also IMPLY "sink or swim" TOGETHER? biggrin.gif


Added on October 3, 2012, 7:37 am
QUOTE(cwhong @ Oct 3 2012, 12:17 AM)
why u bash anyone which have different opinions as yours? u vested a lot ahh? or u're self convincing? or u think this forum is only for pro-Genneva? this is open forum dude ...... u have no right to bash ppl, u happy u comment, no happy switch it off loh...... Remember if u happy u comment/reply my post else just ignore me ...... thanks for ur co-operation .........  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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SMELLS like this.........

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A trader, who only wished to be known as Nick, said money earned from the purchase and sale of gold had helped fund his son through university.

“There has never been any complaint by the clients. The company has helped the livelihood of thousands of people. Why are the authorities interfering in a legitimate business?” he asked.

Another trader, S. Shanti, said the money from her buying and selling of gold, which she stressed was done with the relevant documentation and tax deductions, had helped pay for her mother's dialysis weekly treatment costing RM1,000 over the past three years.

“If they put a stop to this company, how am I going to foot the expensive bill for my mother's health?”


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Investors and traders throng Genneva’s offices following raid by govt agencies

KUALA LUMPUR: Anxious Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd investors and trading agents thronged the company's headquarters here in Jalan Kuchai Maju 6 and its Penang hub to find out if their savings were safe in the wake of the raid by several government agencies.

Fears were rife because many of them had invested large sums of money in the company's gold trading scheme.

Shereen Lim, 54, who quit her job as a timber exporter to concentrate on gold trading as a consultant, said she felt victimised after the raid because her main source of income was affected.



“Many of my customers have been using the money from gold trading to support their children's further education, their aged parents or to pay medical bills,” she said.

“This raid is affecting our rice bowl and causing us a lot of hardship.”

The Genneva office remained shut yesterday despite a gathering of more than hundred-strong crowd, most of them consultants.

“Some of my clients are retirees in their 70s and 80s. They have put in their life savings here,” said Pat Lu, a senior consultant who also went into gold trading to fund her son's college education.

“My aunts and uncles are also customers. They buy gold from me, too,” she said, adding that they had been getting monthly returns called hibah (a discretionary “gift” in Islamic banking).

“I'm wondering when my commission is going to be paid, because my son's fees will be due. If not for Bank Negara's raid, I wouldn't be worrying,” she said.

Another consultant, Moy Fook Thong, 75, said investors trading with the company receive physical gold in the form of wafers a few days after making payment.



However, due to the investigations, many customers and consultants had not been able to receive their gold or commissions, Moy said.

In GEORGE TOWN, Genneva regional director Datuk Joseph Kow held a closed-door meeting with some 100 consultants and investors at the office yesterday, where many of them expressed confidence in the firm's legality.

It is believed that among other things, Kow spoke about the raid on Monday and that more information would be released when company chairman, Tengku Muhaini Sultan Ahmad Shah, returned from London.

Like many of the consultants interviewed, Mazri Mahmood, 41, said the swoop had created many problems for his customers.

“Most of us are worried because the company's bank account has been frozen following the raid. Our transactions have also been interrupted,” he said.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5797&sec=nation

Genneva investors still in shock

PETALING JAYA: Investors of gold trading scheme Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd were still in shock a day after an investigative raid on the company.

Anxious and confused over the scope of investigations, hundreds of them converged at the company's headquarters in Jalan Kuchai Maju 6, here, and its office in Penang, demanding answers.

However, Bank Negara Malaysia spokesman Lee Poh Fong said a statement would only be issued after investigations had concluded.

“There is nothing wrong with gold trading but we want investors to be careful against those promising high returns,” she said, referring to a previous press release issued on Sept 5.

Looking for answers: Some 100 consultants and customers being ushered into a meeting room for a briefing session conducted by Genneva regional director Datuk Joseph Kow at the branch office in Gelugor, Penang.

According to the Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism Affairs Ministry's enforcement division, one of the four government agencies involved in the raid of the firm, the action was in response to numerous complaints by investors.

Division head Mohd Roslan Mahayudin said besides Bank Negara, the lead agency heading the operations and investigations, the ministry had also been receiving complaints over the past four months from people who had allegedly lost their investments.

“The decision to raid Genneva was carried out by a task force led by BNM to probe get-rich-quick schemes,” he said.

Sources familiar with the investigations said the company was being investigated for offences under money-laundering and deposit-taking laws.

Singapore's Commercial Affairs Department conducted a similar swoop on Genneva Pte Ltd's Orchard Towers offices in the city-state on Monday.

Shocked investors and agents of Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd crowded the company’s offices in Kuala Lumpur and Penang, anxious to find out if their gold trade investments are safe in the wake of the raid by several government agencies.

Genneva has ceased all transactions pending the outcome of the investigations.

In a public statement posted on its Facebook page and website, the firm urged agents and customers to stay calm while it settled the issues with the authorities.

In GEORGE TOWN, a senior official of the company claimed that Genneva had not violated any laws.

The official, who wished to remain unnamed, said the firm wrote to the Finance Ministry earlier this year for guidance on gold trading and had also given its views on the business.

He said the ministry replied that a meeting would be arranged to listen to Genneva's views and suggestions on gold trading.

“So far, there has been no feedback on when the meeting will be held. We thank our customers for supporting us. We are purely a gold trading company. We will work hard to resolve this matter as quickly as possible.

“We urge our consultants and customers to remain calm for the time being,” added the official.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5893&sec=nation
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QUOTE(velo @ Oct 3 2012, 09:54 AM)
Just sound to me that Genneva has many similarities as a Ponzi scheme.

"Typically extraordinary returns are promised on the investment,[5] and vague verbal constructions such as "hedge futures trading," "high-yield investment programs", "offshore investment" might be used. The promoter sells shares to investors by taking advantage of a lack of investor knowledge or competence, or using claims of a proprietary investment strategy which must be kept secret to ensure a competitive edge.

Ponzi schemes sometimes commence operations as legitimate investment vehicles, such as hedge funds."

Source from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
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Actually not too difficult to investigate

MAIN THING IS TO CHECK THEIR INCOME STREAM IN THE BOOKS.
THIS WAY YOU KNOW WHETHER THEY GENERATE AUTHENTIC INCOME TO PAY
THE 'GIFTS'


Added on October 3, 2012, 9:58 am
QUOTE(gark @ Oct 3 2012, 09:44 AM)
Pat Lu is no ordinary investor, she is a senior consultant for Genneva, most probably all the stories are all fabricated sob stories to bring some pity to the company. She is selling a scam to fund her son's college fees, what is so proud of that you have to announce in the newspaper?


Added on October 3, 2012, 9:50 am

You have been fed too much propaganda until brainwashed to think that Genneva can buy gold at 10-20% below spot value. Even central banks have to buy at MARKET value. Since this is actively traded commodity (couple of billion USD a day) if someone can get bulk prices at 10-20% discount, they can cream the spot market and reap multiple rewards in just a few seconds with a few clicks.

Gold is no different than cash, it is equivalent and easily converted. Maybe you can ask the bank if you want to withdraw couple of million from your account you can get extra 10-20%?  rolleyes.gif

Think again if they can get reward in just a few seconds in the spot market, why would they take years and years to sell you bit by bit and paying hefty consultant fees?  whistling.gif If you believe all those crap excuses spew out, then you must be seriously deluded. Good luck.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(teo1957 @ Oct 3 2012, 10:07 AM)
I've read this piece too and I found it absolutely disgraceful how a national newspaper can design a report to focus on how Genneva is purpotedly helping the needy. Mum's dialysis and son's college fees.

IT'S A FARKING SCAM LAR STOOPID!
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