Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
9 Pages « < 5 6 7 8 9 >Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

views
     
prophetjul
post Oct 3 2012, 11:59 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 11:28 AM)
I give you another live example, how can Habib Jewel, Poh Kong and whatever gold selling companies give you 70% discount during sales period? if their cost is high?
Bro, spot gold price and retail gold price got difference. Spot gold is the exact market rate without getting the real gold. Retail price is inclusive of currency exchange, manufacturing, security, transportation and etc charges (that I dunno of) included in so it is different all together.

CPU and PMs? hmm.gif

Can buy 10 to 20% below SPOT?

hmm.gif i gotta ask the bank of China......

and GLD..........maybe my GLD is worth 20% mORE ler..... tongue.gif


Added on October 3, 2012, 12:01 pm
QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 11:56 AM)
Not really, the failure here is BNM failed to follow up on a new appointment date to clarify things thus resulting the current situation. So based on this fact, who's fault is it?

btw, I prefer discussing based on fact. Things would be clearer that way & if it is proven as a fact that Genneva is a scam company, then I really hope those who are responsible get what they deserve but then again I still pity the investors.
*
A Scam is only a SCam when its shown as a SCAm......too late. AKA MADOFF...how many years was it on operations?

BUT RED FLAGS are a good way to go for investors...........Genneva has TOO MANY of those in its life.......


Added on October 3, 2012, 12:03 pmMAIN THING IS TO CHECK THEIR INCOME STREAM IN THE BOOKS.
THIS WAY YOU KNOW WHETHER THEY GENERATE AUTHENTIC INCOME TO PAY
THE 'GIFTS'


This post has been edited by prophetjul: Oct 3 2012, 12:03 PM
prophetjul
post Oct 3 2012, 02:07 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 02:05 PM)
Sorry, what does that prove? here let me educate you... it only proves that I am selling something that pays back a return monthly with in a certain percentage with gurantee.

Do you have evidence that it is a scam? no rite?

Do you know of anyone who say that I have scammed him/her? no rite?

Do you have a police report or a wanted list that say I am a scammer? no rite?

Or yet better still, is my name on the Apis Lua Lua list in "Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner" as a scammer? also no rite?

So your point is not legit & without evidence. smile.gif

Btw in our court of Law, I can summon you for defamation... but what's the use... you are just the exception that is born every minute... smile.gif
*
Methinks the problem are these words

QUOTE
Get 10-15%++ Money return monthly GUARANTEED via Gold Investment!! PM me to findout how!



That makes on sound like a SCAm biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Oct 3 2012, 02:10 PM
prophetjul
post Oct 3 2012, 02:18 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 02:10 PM)


The word MIGHT plays a big role and can be categorize in the same definition as ASSUMPTION. For instance why not take the word ASSUME and disect it, with some slight arrangement it can mean "AS$ U & ME". So lets not assume and give facts. smile.gif
*
its a FACT you use the word Guaranteed..........no? Maening SURE?

Its not an ASSumption......no?


guar·an·tee
   [gar-uhn-tee] Show IPA noun, verb, guar·an·teed, guar·an·tee·ing.

noun
1.
a promise or assurance, especially one in writing, that something is of specified quality, content, benefit, etc., or that it will perform satisfactorily for a given length of time: a money-back guarantee.

2.
guaranty ( defs. 1, 2 ) .

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/guaranteed?s=t
prophetjul
post Oct 3 2012, 02:20 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(aladdin @ Oct 3 2012, 02:19 PM)
maybe already pack bag (money) and running? with big smile on face?

one word = GREED.
*
She is in the news. Read the star ...Pat Lu.


prophetjul
post Oct 3 2012, 02:39 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(xcarfieldx @ Oct 3 2012, 02:36 PM)
in the worse case, what would happened to the investor?
*
Worst case scenarios IMO

a) Those who just recently invested will find their money/gold frozen in the company's assets pnding investigations

b) Hopefully the gold are authentic pieces, so no loss for those able to hold and wait
prophetjul
post Oct 3 2012, 02:54 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 02:49 PM)
No purpose bro, again, my point here to discuss, not hurt people. smile.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
Why I cannot guarantee? My business model, I run it as I want la rite? non of your business rite? does it affect you in anyway?
Yes, I put the return as that much cause to me it is fact based on my personal income for the past 4 years. Now, if you think it is a scam, SHOW ME YOUR EVIDENCE!!! Dont have rite?
*
Matey .

Already pointed out to you WHY ppl think it a SCAm..........its because of the word


GUARANTEE
.

If i invest Rm2mil, can you guarantee that principal plus the 15% returns.
i dont just guarantee the 15% and lose the Rm2mil principal.... wink.gif

So, if you can GUARANTEE, whats your paid up capital, net worth............JUST IN CASE.

OR better still give ma aBANK GUARANTEE nod.gif
prophetjul
post Oct 3 2012, 03:01 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(jmunchar @ Oct 3 2012, 03:00 PM)
At some point there will definitely be a price correction.
*
Alreadi korrected from $1900 to $1500.........where were you?

BUY! (Dont quote me*)
prophetjul
post Oct 3 2012, 03:03 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 3 2012, 03:01 PM)
Hi Bro,

Yeah, people can think what they want.. but please provide evidence first before labeling me a scammer la... rite?

I don't want to market my business model here cause others might imitate, if you want, we can meet up and talk seperately then you know I am not bullshitting & I know that you are really interested. smile.gif
*
Bro

You shew me yer paid up capital or Net worth OR BETTER still, give me a BANK GUARANTEE
on my Rm2mil investment......CAN ar? Than i interest.......
wink.gif

prophetjul
post Oct 4 2012, 07:57 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

Genneva Malaysia Supporters will be organizing a MARCH TO PUTRAJAYA to appeal to Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak and the government.



We were informed by Genneva management last week that we will get our gold, hibah and commissions this week. On Monday 1 October 2012, Bank Negara Malaysia raided Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd and froze GMSB's bank account. More than 60,000 families and their livelihoods are affected.



OUR DEMANDS:



1. Gold confiscated by Bank Negara Malaysia to be returned to Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd (GMSB) immediately for delivery to us.



2. Unfreeze GMSB CIMB bank account immediately as Hibah and commissions to over 60,000 customers are due.



3. Stop attacking, persecuting and tarnishing Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd in the media for assumptions and suspicions without evidence.



4. Remove the good name of Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd from the BNM Consumer Alert List as gold trading is an unregulated industry in Malaysia.



5. Acquit Genneva Sdn Bhd. This court case is ongoing since 2009.



More to follow. LIKE http://www.facebook.com/GennevaMalaysiaSupporters for updates on the march details. Post all videos and photos you may have at the wall.



~ Genneva Malaysia Supporters


http://www.facebook.com/GennevaWorld?flyingspaghettimonster=t...275561055895126

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

What does Genneva think they are? March to Putrajaya now?

Point No. 2 - Hibah DUE..........DUE? Does this mean there is a CONTRACT? Does this mean there IS DEPOSIT taking activity? hmm.gif

Lookie at the point No.5..............it confirms the company is just changing names from one to the other.........

Why does a legit company need to change their names constantly?

RED FLAg
prophetjul
post Oct 4 2012, 09:08 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE
The following comment/prediction was posted on Martin lee Genneva gold blog on 30 May 2012:

"That the goldco will ask Bank Negara to raid is a very real possibility. Before asking for raid to be carried out, won’t the GM2 generals have spirited away all the money and gold and hide them, maybe offshore? After raid, the generals will tell everybody to blame the stupid government for ruining the party, spoiling the show, messing up the gold-fest. So in that way, the fury of the cheated customers will be directed at the bank negara rather than at the generals, who may fear some crazies coming after them with parangs.

Was not GM1 found far short of the gold and the cash when raided some years back? Was not Bestino found to have been short of RM411,000,000 belonging to 6,700+ investors when raided some years back? You think GM2 will be any different?"

THIS PREDICTION HAS VERY CLEARLY NOW TURNED INTO REALITY. SEE THE HEADLINES NOW SHOWING THE CONSLTANTS AND CLIENTS ALL SCREAMING "FOUL! MURDER! ETC" AGAINST BANK NEGARA. IN FACT, THE VICTIMS' RAGE SHOULD BE DIRECTED VS THE GNNEVA OPERATORS AND ALL THEIR LYING CONSULTANTS !!!


http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/money-mi...3861300-44.html

Interesting..........the saga continues and the conspiracy theories DEEPens
prophetjul
post Oct 4 2012, 02:54 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

By P. GUNASEGARAM

Ten questions to ask before you put your money in the wrong place.

AH, people’s greed! It knows no bounds and everyone wants to make a quick buck with little effort.

They just can’t resist the opportunity to make easy money but too often they don’t stop to think. And they get burnt!

The sad thing is this happens over and over and over again despite all the caution that the authorities urge.

Eventually, when the scheme topples because the pyramid is teetering on the point and not resting on its base, and the sham is exposed, it’s to the authorities that the victims turn to.

So let’s not make noise when the authorities investigate money-making schemes, especially when they are too good to be true. Let the authorities investigate thoroughly because usually they investigate only after some complaints. And complaints are the first sign of trouble.

If there is absolutely nothing wrong with their business, and everything is legal and right, they will be allowed to operate again.

Nothing much would have been lost and they start again from where they left off.

But, if there is something wrong, the poker game is up and the house of cards will come tumbling down. In that case, all distraught investors can hope for is a share of whatever is left which often is not much.

There have been many kinds of scams over the years. Basically, all of them operate pretty much the same.

They actually pay out insane returns and dividends for a while and when enough people are attracted in, they disappear in a wink with all the money that people have put into the schemes, scams or shams.

And they pay attractive commission to those who get them customers.

It’s similar to stock market investors in ramped up counters: they know the fall will come but they hope to be among the first who get out before the values crumble and people start disappearing. That’s a high-risk gamble which for the most part is just not worth taking.

Here are 10 questions to ask before investing in a money-making scheme:

1. ARE the returns too good to be true?

If someone promises you 20% a year when fixed deposits pay 3%, that’s a damn good rate of return. But you need to find out what the risk is. Typically, the higher the return, the higher the risk.

2. DOES it claim to protect your capital?

If your returns are high and the scheme promises to preserve your capital, run as fast as your two legs will carry you. No one, not even the greatest investor the world has seen – Warren Buffett – can promise you that.

3. HOW is your capital protected?

If capital is protected and the return is reasonable, ask this question. If it is merely the word of the scheme or the company that is running the scheme, it will not be worth the paper it is written on if the scheme collapses and goes bust.

4. WHY does the company not make the money for itself?

If you are still convinced that they can give you such a return with no corresponding risk, ask yourself this question. They can very well borrow some money from their bank, sell all their assets or beg from their relatives if they can get that kind of returns instead of letting you make the money. Generosity like that does not exist.

5. HOW much work do you have to do?

The less work you have to do for the returns, the more suspicious you should become. If you are in direct selling, you have to work hard to get your commissions.

But if you are sitting back, kicking off your shoes and putting your feet up on the stool while watching the world go by and your money flow into your bank account, let me tell you something: It won’t last!

6. DOES it pay you when you recruit someone else into your scheme?

If it does, be very careful because that’s the classic way of spreading the scheme. You recruit someone, you get paid, your recruit gets someone, he gets paid – it spreads in geometric progression like wildfire.

But don’t forget, you most likely have not recovered your initial investment. The scam is still accumulating money and waiting for the last minute before it packs up, money and all, and flees.

7. DOES it claim that it has a proprietary product, service or method?

Oldest trick in the book, this one. They have such a fantastic advantage over the rest with this and they are so generous that they want to share it with you so that you will gain from it too. Charity from those who have not made enough money to be that charitable is rather suspect.

8. WHO are the promoters? Are they reputable people with solid track records and businesses built up through hard work? Or are they commission salesmen and saleswomen who have a glib tongue with which they smooth over the pitfalls of their so-called business?

9. HOW long have they been in business?

If they are new to the game, better be suspicious than sorry later.

There are many reputable direct sales organisations and if you are a good salesperson, you can make some money but usually they have been around for a while. I won’t name them, you know who they are.

10. HAS it started delaying payments?

Oh, poor you! If you are in it after asking all these questions and were still, well, conned, it may well be too late.

If they are delaying payments, they either got it wrong and can’t pay you or they are in the process of running and leaving you high and dry. Get the investigators in and salvage whatever you can.

Finally, remember, these scams can be quite smart, sophisticated and rather persuasive. Put them to the test by asking and answering these questions — hopefully you don’t have to answer question 10 by which time it may be too late — and we guarantee you will be safe.

Or your money back. Promise!

> P. Gunasegaram is an independent consultant and writer.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...21017&sec=focus
prophetjul
post Oct 4 2012, 03:28 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(Y-shapedTwig @ Oct 4 2012, 03:21 PM)
It's a very simple concept, i.e. Ponzi Scheme. smile.gif

People generally believe that gold is valuable and buying gold is believed to be a safer investment. Genneva uses selling gold as a mask. It's indeed a very good marketing trick; it wouldn't be so convincing selling things other than gold.


Let
x = market price of 10g gold
y = genneva price of 10g gold, y > x
z = y - x (so-called investment)


Similarly, Genneva pays returns to its "investors" from their own money (z) or the money paid (z) by subsequent "investors", rather than from profit earned by individual or organization running the operation.
Get it?
  wink.gif
*
Any evidence? wink.gif
prophetjul
post Oct 4 2012, 04:09 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(Y-shapedTwig @ Oct 4 2012, 03:43 PM)
*ROLLING MONEY*  yawn.gif

It isn't sustainable if no one buys gold from them (a.k.a invests in their company).

GOLD is just a tool they use to convince their customer to *invest* z into their company.
*
SHEW me the money! tongue.gif
prophetjul
post Oct 5 2012, 07:42 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(EddyLB @ Oct 4 2012, 09:53 PM)

From genneva accounting records, if there are no records of investment  or business that generate enough profits to pay hibah, then bank negara will confirm to the customers the company is a ponzi scam. Now it is crucial for the Datuk bosses to convince bank negara they are legit. Otherwise, bye bye genneva
*
Easy stuff....just check their income stream. IS IT ALL FROM THE GOLD SALES?

IF IT IS, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS! biggrin.gif


Added on October 5, 2012, 7:47 am
QUOTE(EddyLB @ Oct 4 2012, 10:36 PM)
The Genneva Version 1 is confirmed contravene Bafia Act, so the company is shut down. The company is gone case. The on-going court case is about those Datuk bosses fighting for freedom and avoid life behind bars. Not about the company

Genneva Version 2 ? Genneva is doomed either way.

1. If the Datuk bosses can show BNM they actually have a fantastic business which can afford to pay the 24% hibah --> hey you are taking illegal deposit in an investment scheme --> contravene bafia act

2. If the Datuk bosses cannot show BNM they have a fantastic business --> hey you are operating a ponzi scheme
Anyway, lets wait for BNM to announce in this 2 weeks  icon_rolleyes.gif
*
Eddy
Good points!



This post has been edited by prophetjul: Oct 5 2012, 07:47 AM
prophetjul
post Oct 5 2012, 11:57 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(b00n @ Oct 5 2012, 11:49 AM)


The thing with investment is nobody wants to know how it works i.e. understand the risk. Everyone wants a "sure win" situation where in life, and investment 101; there is no such thing! But human nature is gullible. Who would advise one to dump all the life savings into investment and hope it will grow? Who is guilty of that? The so called "half-assed" agents whom do not understand investment 101?!

thumbup.gif
prophetjul
post Oct 5 2012, 12:11 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(napoli26 @ Oct 5 2012, 12:08 PM)
so, is it possible that genneva already collapsed, then ask BNM to sapu them, so they no need to pay invester at all.....
*
There was a conspriracy theory ike this put up by MartinLee in May 12...


prophetjul
post Oct 5 2012, 12:27 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(GuyzNexDoor @ Oct 5 2012, 12:23 PM)
mmm... BNM already gave indication what's going to happen to genneve.


KUALA LUMPUR: The authorities are investigating Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd and its related companies for suspected offences which include illegal deposit taking, money laundering, tax evasion and avoidance.

Bank Negara Malaysia said on Friday the other suspected offences included false description including misrepresentations, appointment of agents without licence and failure to lodge statutory documents.


*
Rumours they havent submitted their accounts since 2009?
prophetjul
post Oct 5 2012, 02:36 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

IF i waz Genneva,

I WILL OPEN MY BOOKS TO THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD

TO SHUT THEM UP!
prophetjul
post Oct 5 2012, 02:40 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 5 2012, 02:39 PM)
Do they have books in the first place?  blink.gif
*
if I WAZ Genneva, I WOULD HAVE!
prophetjul
post Oct 5 2012, 04:09 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,269 posts

Joined: Oct 2010

QUOTE(captainallianz @ Oct 5 2012, 02:55 PM)
Sorry to hear that you kena scam.  rclxms.gif
*
If you care to read this thread you should know gennevs scammin me is an âbsolute remote event

9 Pages « < 5 6 7 8 9 >Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0718sec    0.41    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 12th December 2025 - 07:22 PM