it's not a weed tered so try to be realistic

anyway thread title(+ the description) is self explanatory.so discuss about footballers that you think could break it overseas.mainly Japan or europe

as for me,other that the usual suspect(safee,Nazmi,etc),i think both Fadhli and Muslim are good enough to play at least in the J-league

they're tall,well built,good in zonal marking(though got prob in man marking) and still young.

other than that,i think Matyo should be good enough as well.but he is quite injury prone

Don't think any Malaysians are actually good enough.

While Safee Sali is easily one of the best I've seen, football is just not about size, pace, strength or built.

Alot of being successful in it is having the technique, tactically sound and most importantly, football intelligence.

some have the talent but not keen to explore new challenge (oversea)...prefer to live in comfort zone (malaysia)...

I wonder how is that Malaysian wonderkid who played in the US.. I hope Barca signs him as a youth player..

dafak

hoping Safee's achievement (of being malaysia's first footballing millionaire) would spark the urge for local players to go overseas too

Nice yo

But doesn't know how to pass a ball? xD

i believe most of malaysian player can play outside malaysia bar the top league or league with higher standard. they can easily fit in indonesian league, singapore league, brunei league (if this exist) and others SEA league.

What about Kelantan striker Mat Yo? My fren said he's one of the best especially his turning. I never watch him play but since my fren always follow our Super League, I think he is good enough.

problem is whether j-league want them or go for european import

Actually plenty of them are good enough to play overseas. Especially Harimau Muda batch and their ex players. They have undergoes systematic and rigorous training outside of the country. Maybe at SEA or Asian league level or small European league. J League and EPL i think are a bit far fetch.

muslim is not good enough la.... good one r lie jk tie,nazmi, mat yo, piya...

Ashaari Shamsuddin could do a decent job at SEA leagues.

On the other hand, what happened with Titus James Palani? Disappeared into obscurity?

The thing is not whether they are good enough to play abroad , its whether they want to play abroad...Firstly you must have the desire to play abroad and if there is a will there is way, you will improve yourself to get there..

The only ones playing overseas at the moment is probably Titus James in Ligue 2 or something and Brendan Gan in Australia's A-League.

Maybe to get to the J-League or Korean League is still possible but IMO, not in the top European Leagues (England, Spain, Italy, Netherlands and Germany).

Like I said .. it's alot more about football intelligence rather than pace, size and built.

But because the standard of football in our country is pretty much poor, not many people see it as a career. We'd just rather go on studying and work.

brendan gan is with sabah already. and he is not really malaysian, just the parent malaysian.

Oh, I hadn't known XD

If anyone wants a Malaysian who is good enough ...Shaun Maloney is your man xD Born in Sarawak, so technically is Malaysian, but plays for Wigan and Scotland.

safiq rahim kalau dia mahu.. sebab dalam bola sepak ni antara benda paling utama ialah jaringkan gol dan buat gol untuk kawan-kawan.

tapi sebab safiq rahim, umur dia sudah semakin meningkat jadi paling tinggi dia boleh pergi rasanya di peringkat asia je.

kelab-kelab eropah ada akademi latih pemain diaorang sejak dari kecil sejak umur 8 tahun lagi.. di amerika selatan, kalau korang tengok dokumentari lionel messi pula diaorang dah mula main bola sejak sejak umur 4 tahun.

malaysia pula.. liga dan kelab tempatan yang merupakan tulang belakang utama skuad negara pun masih lagi lemah cara pengurusan, lambat lagi la aku ingat.

safee sali tu kira bertuah la sekurang-kurangnya dapat main kat indon setelah malaysia dah mula fikir nak buat projek harimau muda, kukuhkan asas dari bawah, dan safee sali faham taktik k rajagopal sebab pernah jadi jurulatih dia di selangor dulu.. buat masa sekarang ni macam teralu harap kat sekolah sukan bukit jalil je la.. negara lain yang maju, berpuluh-puluh kelab tempatan dan beratus-ratus sekolah sukan dah lama fikir untuk jadi kuasa besar dunia dalam bola sepak kukuhkan dari asas.

anak-anak sidek berjaya sebab mak bapa dia sudah latih diaorang dengan disiplin yang amat keras sejak dirumah, sejak kecil lagi.. dan juga semangat seorang anak cina sanggup turun jumpa salah seorang anak-anak sidek timba ilmu dan sentiasa tekun hingga jadi nombor satu dunia.

kalau kita nak berharap macam skim cepat kaya atau pemikiran jenis harap menang nombor ekor.. sampai kiamat pun tak boleh la aku ingat.

This post has been edited by hack3line: Mar 11 2012, 09:32 PM

alert! alert!!

weed thread alert!!

one can only be technically Malaysian if one not something else....

Well my cousins are Malaysians even though they're half french.

what arressandro mean is s.maloney is a scottish. malaysian can't have two nationality. correct me if i'm wrong.

i always thought Apek is good enough to play outside Malaysia. sure there are aspects of his game that need to be improved on, but i have no doubt that he can make that step up to play in the better foreign league

i dont think our players is lack of talents,it's their mentality on becoming a professional player that are missing.
its all in the mind,and playing in the local league also doesnt help that much on their professionalism and dedication to becoming a better player.

time to get excited (as always). 2 of our olympic players might go for trials in Japan 3rd div club

but this time, it's another way around. instead of us recommending players to them, this time the scout for the players and ask the availability of the players.
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http://www.mmail.com.my/story/kecik-walks-tall
KUALA LUMPUR: National player Wan Zaharulnizam Zakaria could ink his name in the history books by featuring for Okinawa-based club FC Ryukyu.

Wan Zaharulnizam, or better known as Kecik, caught the attention of talent agency Japan Dream FA during the Olympic qualifying match between Japan and Malaysia at the Tosu Stadium in Japan last year.

The Tumpat-born lad will be joined by Wan Zack Haikal Wan Noor during trials with the J-League team. The dates for the trial has yet to be fixed.

Japan’s football structure places the J-League as the highest division followed by the J-League Division 2 and the Japan Football League.

This was confirmed by Harimua Muda A coach Ong Kim Swee, who left with the Olympic squad for Jordan for their final Olympic qualifying match against Syria this morning.

“The agent came up to me during our first clash against Japan and told me the club was interested in Kecik,” said Kim Swee.

“Right after our second match against Japan, the agent came up to me and told me they are finalising the paperwork and would like to see Wan Zaharulnizam in Okinawa. I’m happy, and amazed, that it was more of a case of the club showing interest in the player instead of us recommending him to them.”

Kim Swee then suggested Wan Zack should accompany Wan Zaharulnizam for the trial at the club.

“Who knows if Wan Zack can also impress them, then we could have two of our boys there.”

Kim Swee added although it was a Div 3 club, he hoped the lads would make the cut for at least a full season.

National coach Datuk K. Rajagobal echoed similar sentiments.

“Europe is difficult to penetrate. This is a good opportunity for our lads to play in the J-League although it is a Division 3 club. We know that the standard of play in the J-League is higher than our M-League,” said Rajagobal.

“This should also be seen as a stepping stone for greater things. If the players can graduate to Division 1 J-League teams, it would be another achievement. They will return with plenty of experience and exposure to a different playing style.”

Japan Dream FA, through its ‘J-Dream Project’, are tapping talents from Southeast Asia to play with Japanese teams. This is part of the progress made by several FAM officials who met their counterparts in Japan, as revealed by Mailsport in December.

There are also attempts by another club for national goalkeeper Khairul Fahmi Che Mat but it has only been a verbal approach so far.

Observers believe penetrating into Japan — albeit in a lower division — will be a step in the right direction. With many talent scouts and agents keeping close tabs on players there, the chances of footballers being spotted for bigger clubs in the Middle East and even Europe are higher.

^ hack3line sure gembira

Correct. Malaysia only allow one nationality to be Malaysian. Malaysia's.

So technically, its either you are Malaysian or you are not. I think Gan and Maloney falls into the latter cathegory.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Mar 12 2012, 12:57 PM

correct,malaysia can allowed 1 nationality only,but European country and America,u allowed to have dual nationality though.

Safiq konfirm frust kaw2

anyway how about other players.Nazmi got trials in Cardiff afaik but how about Shahrul azwari?Irfan?Baddrol?

sorry, not harsh but for Fadhli and Muslim quality in japan, there are so many of them ...

means no reason for japan clubs to sign them

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Added on March 12, 2012, 6:00 pmlol ...

he doesnt learn football in malaysia lar

FAM doens't do anything to make him today ...

like like jeremy lin, taiwan basketball association doesn't train him but is the american clubs ...


This post has been edited by Ken: Mar 12 2012, 06:00 PM

Yeap, I know what he meant but considering he was born in Malaysia, so he could have been Malaysian but I guess for footballing reasons, he would rather much prefer to be Scottish.

then they are Malaysian and not French.


Shaun Maloney is obviously Scottish as Gan is Australian. Until they are ready to relinquish that status, there are no use of speaking as if they are Malaysian.

nationality decision goes way beyond football....

exactly, which sometimes i dissapointed with my fellow malaysian who branded FAM as stupid for not calling up brendan gan.

Fair enough but shouldn't Malaysia at least be able to call Brendan Gan since he has Malaysian parents? He could of choose to represent Malaysia (due to his parents' nationality) or Australia? Unless of course his parents are Australians themselves...

perasan scout jepun duduk betul-betul kat belakang tempat duduk penyokong malaysia masa Malaysia vs Jepun di stadium bukit jalil hari tu.. rupa-rupanya dia tengah kaji potensi kecik nak bawa bertanding dalam liga di jepun la ye



This post has been edited by hack3line: Mar 12 2012, 09:15 PM

x payah nak sembang kuat sgt heklain

journalist/ wartawan japan je kot.

channel tv NHK siap bawak kontena dia park kat B Jalil utk live match / laporan. ni kan stakat nak letak 2-3 orang wartawan utk tulis artikel.

adoiiii

jgn syok sndr kuat sangat la

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Added on March 12, 2012, 11:52 pmdia kena ada passport (nationality) Malaysia at the first place bang = giving up his OZ nationality. nak apply kerakyatan Malaysia pun bukan mudah, Malaysia dah stop naturalization program after 98 commonwealth games.

it had been rumoured Vijay Singh nationality application was also rejected previously.

this is not just abt football/sport like what arresandro said. it's beyond that.
culture/ political & etc.

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: Mar 12 2012, 11:52 PM

the ball is in Brendan's court.... what FAM can do is REQUEST for the immegresen dept. to speed things up should he RESOLVED to CHANGE his nationality...
but nationality is a serious governmental process and many people mistakenly think FAM is THE GOVERNMENT which they are not...

as in many govermental process, it could take some time for it to complete but it need to start with Gan's resolve first...

but then again, is he thaaattttt good to begin with?

he's good,but i doubt he can feature regularly when we got so many good midfielder to fill in the NT

midfield is the least of our problem right now

nama dia Masao Kiba.. antara orang kuat pengurusan liga jepun, dulu dia main kat gamba osaka sebagai pertahanan,
dia turun stadium bukit jalil sengaja duduk dengan penyokong malaysia.. tapi seorang pun tak perasan siapa dia ni sebenarnya


info, statistik dia dalam liga jepun : http://www.the-rising-sun-news.com/fame/2005/kiba.html

tahun lepas dia buat klinik bola sepak jepun di thailand


tugas dia ialah untuk bawa masuk pemain muda berbakat dari asia tenggara masuk ke dalam jleague


bulan Julai, bulan 7 ni dia kata akan turun ke Kuala Lumpur turun cari bakat baru dari Malaysia, dan mungkin buat klinik bola sepak untuk industri bola sepak jepun..

This post has been edited by hack3line: Mar 13 2012, 12:43 PM

AMEKKKAAAWW... abam heklain bagi sauce pedas...

I share your sentiment. Foreign players and coaches have all said one thing in common, that our players have the ability and skill. However, there is doubt over their mental strength. I'm not merely referring to onfield circumstances e.g. going a goal down. I'm referring to environmental factors such as being exposed and having to adapt to an entirely different culture, food, language, weather, customs and living conditions. I'm talking about having the discipline to train harder, to watch their diets, etc. Recent history would suggest that our lads cannot do so. Everyone who has been sent away on stints, has wanted to come back citing a preference to stay local.

I for one think that Fahmy is good enough to play abroad and I don't mean in countries like Cambodia or Vietnam. However I have doubts over his ability to acclimatize. My colleague works closely with KAFA and meets the Kelantanese players often enough. They are almost all very reserved, shy and are uncomfortable in social situations. How then can they adapt to being on foreign soil? Safie is another one but then Indonesia isn't that different from Malaysia culturally.

huhu tgk utube clip tu dah mcm liga italy, byk sgt gol lob.
apek ada potensi kalau dpt main kat liga jepun nih.. =)

If Lim Teong Kim, Zainal Abidin Hassan, Dollah Salleh or Serbegeth Singh was 20 years younger, we have a strong team.

Aye we had a strong team back then even after our Golden Era. We had our version of David Seaman in goal I.e. Khairul Azman. Other solid players were Ismail Ibrahim, Azizol Abu Hannifah, the Kinta Express I.e. P.Ravindran, Yap Wai Loon and P.Somasundram.

cibei heklain ni..pantang dicabar terus digoogle nye
pastu xnk bg sos lak tuh.dah la aku bg news

ni sos dia https://www.facebook.com/pages/%E4%B8%80%E8...9393085?sk=wall

2012年2月22日　ロンドンオリンピックアジア最終予選　マ​レーシアvs日本　視察風景.

Hahaha bro nami dah terbakar ke Biasak la bro syakir haris ni

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Added on March 13, 2012, 9:42 pm Maybe that's because it's in our culture, especially the Islamic ones? ( I notice that the more reserved Kelantanese are the ones who are most Islamic in nature ). Hadith : Malu itu separuh daripada iman. But dont let it be a hindrance in our careers...

This post has been edited by Icahn: Mar 13 2012, 09:42 PM

Hmm maybe and maybe not. I mean Fandi Ahmad from Singapore plied his trade overseas for a bit.

i once argue with duke red abt his ' avoidness' to support NT

but i do agree with his points.

will you venture out to other places when u're well paid here? of course not.

safee alone is not enough to spur the other talents to go find some playing time outside the land.

the thing about malaysian football is, if they have all that intelectual inteligence needed to adapt to foreign place to begin with, then they wont be a footballer in the first place....

to be fair, a lot of good footballers in europe have trouble to adapt to other environment and influence their game also...

for now, i think the practical way for us to get the best out of young talents instead of them fizzling out alone in foreign land is to send them abroad in group so that they have more support group as a cushion to live in foreign land... that way, they not only improve individually, but also learn how to tackle the teams with higher standard as a group...

and the players need to have some kind of english classes....

it's a pain to hear their english.....

'malu separuh dari iman'? 1st time i heard of it

religion should not be reason for you to not do anything. people (wrong)interpretation of religion usually does that

if there's chance for Apek to go to Japan, he should do it. he already looks like them

meh. I dun think so....they prefer to stay here and enjoice nasik lemak than going oversea..

I think the problem with our football is that everyone worships the ground EPL / European football walks on. Everyone wants our boys to play in EPL / Europe when we should be looking east instead. I think encouraging our footballers to go to J-League or A-League should be up for consideration.

kita buka thread baru bincang pasal program pembangunan pemain muda jepun ni..
camne diaorang boleh jadi kuasa bola sepak #1 di asia

tunggu jap.. nak kumpul bahan dulu

This post has been edited by hack3line: Mar 16 2012, 02:58 PM

Jom, join aku. Kita bentuk think tank group for youth development, boleh jugak kalau nak jadi pressure group for our football establisments. Nanti kita buat betul2...

Yes, please make that thread happen! I love reading quality post.

Ariff (19years old)



Faril & Fandi (22 & 24) siblings.

these 3 fler went to NZ for some low end football trials/ teams.

Ariff with Ole Academy & the other 2 for AFC Gisborne.

for me it's not the matter whether they can make the cut to become a good national-level player.

the mentality to go there. play football.get some experiences are the most vital thing. i dont care whether they can become the next mat yo or fadhli sas...or even maybe FAM league level only.
but gotta applauded their efforts to go there for the sake of passion.

these 3 didnt go to NZ becoz of study etc etc..only football.


if we keep on having the 'wait FAM let them do it for us' , 10 years from now we will still be here.

it's sad when players like wan zack/ wan zaharulnizam did not have any proper agent or manager that can bring them to these countries.
i can assure you if it stays like this.. nazmi will end up as harimau muda captain/player even for the next olympic qualifier.

i knew from somewhere that these 3 lads gone to Oceania plying their trade by own initiative to be better players in a broad sense.
Except with Ariff who sponsored by Mister Potato and sum amount by FAS, the two siblings Faril and Fandi simply gone to NZ using their own pocket money while looking for a job there. I guess lady luck is with them when both of them playing together as first eleven with AFC Grisborne City. They were not only playing as first starter but shone as talisman of the club. Fandi for example does not looked back when he became the club golden boot!
Now,they are spending time with their family in malaysia due to the league break and maybe during april or may,they will travel to Europe to attend trials with few clubs there.
I wish to both best of luck! With their good attitude,spirits and perseverance, only time will tell when will Malaysian breed could break the Europe football market.


This post has been edited by am_7riel: Mar 18 2012, 07:29 PM

am_7riel from HMC ni

okay,since it's like 3 months since the last post and there's been several development regarding our lads going outside to ply their trade:

-Nazmi already signed for Beira Mar SC
-Tam Sheang Tsung signed for Shanghai Shenhua(granted he's not playing nor involved in Harimau Muda,but still,having him saying that he's ready to play for Malaysia is a good thing)
-Wan Zaharulnizam and Wan Zack Haikal will go for a trial in Japan(perhaps to J3's FC Ryukyu,but maybe some other clubs will snatch them)
-Ariff Zulkifly plays for Queens Bay United

anyone i missed?

hoping the team's trailblazing performances in AFC U-22 will open the door to more players to play outside as well

other than that,i recalled Ong Kim Swee's word,saying that there are 2 other footballers(one in his team,one from MSL league's team) that will join Nazmi in europe.

Yep,missed me?lol

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Added on August 26, 2012, 4:44 amOk guys,lets hold our nerves on all hypes n hopes on Tam Sheang Tsung due to sentiment i felt he had already been tapped since his young age by JFA until he became what we have known today. We still have chance though if head coach himself came down n met him explaining his expectations or whatsoever.the consulate in japan and china could also play his roles but again,once the boy made his decisions,little could we do.
Please bear in our mind that he keep reminding us his ambition to play in world cup,and based on current scenario it will be long way to go f he chosed malaysia,unlike if he played for japan.

Wan zack n wan zaharulnizam aka kecik
I havent heard any news since the trials ended.anyone knows the latest status?
I only know that they are waiting for contract.i really hope if they could not secure the contract,they could try elsewhere n dont stop there.

Additional info
Sean gan
15 yrs old boy who has italian n malaysian parentage italian n malaysian. He comes from bukit jalil sports school.
He plays as a striker n has landed youth contract with serie d club in italy,arezzo.
Serie d is amateur league but he has time with him to go upper level.

I have heard rumors that Gary Steven Robbart had been asked for trial with fc koln.
He should go to europe as we have seen his capability like african player,i know him even before nazmi shines when he replaced gary due to injury for sea games task.
And yes,i also read somewhere there are 2 players could join nazmi playing in portugal.
The player are from harimau muda and another one from super league club.

They are plenty of talent coming through the ranks like our 10goals hotshot in recent u22 afc qualifier,Rozaimi Abdul Rahman.He is a left footed,started playing as left back,then played as left midfilelder and from what i seen,he is a type of shinji kagawa or keisuke honda player,who has role playing behind striker.
Disappointed he rejected offer from bec tero sasana of Thailand.i heard that was not just his decision but also influenced by safa(sabah fa) and cuurent club who loan him(selangor fa).

Besides of him,i like the style of play arif farhan ( winner searching for ramli and as well as nike the chance but due to his recent call up yo harimau muda,he let go to other participant),Asri chu chu and hazwan bakri who scored in every match during australia friendly series.

This post has been edited by am_7riel: Aug 26 2012, 05:00 AM

the only player that i have good hope for is Sean Gan. With him studying in Bukit Jalil and all.