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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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post Sep 10 2012, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(celinek @ Sep 9 2012, 03:49 AM)
Hi All,

anyone know if there is new fund or new unit available to apply now? My mother went to Maybank last week and the officer give her some ASNB form, anyone knows whats happening?
Just buy silver. Quite good returns. Maybank price already up 21% since launch 6 weeks ago. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 10 2012, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(celinek @ Sep 10 2012, 02:51 PM)
I am interested, can you give me some details? tongue.gif
U can get more info at the Maybank website.
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post Sep 11 2012, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(doneright @ Sep 11 2012, 11:35 AM)
for those who wanted to top up but cant because the quota already finished, can always consider third party (non gov) funds. there are a lot out there which can give better return minus the risks smile.gif
What other investments give better returns minus the risks?
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post Sep 11 2012, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(aziratul @ Sep 11 2012, 12:45 PM)
Hi... Noob here... Is Amanah Saham Nasional for Non- Bumi good enough? Is there is risk? Sorry.. first time trying to understand...
Ure Bumi right?
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post Sep 11 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(doneright @ Sep 11 2012, 11:48 AM)
like silver, as you mentioned, correct? smile.gif

i've been into unit trusts. never look back into gov funds since
Silver and gold would only be moderately better in the long run as compared to funds like ASB. Take for instance gold. If someone had invested in 2010 in Maybank, he would have paid about RM 131/g. The buying price now is RM 168. That's only a profit of 28% in 2 years. ASB gives out about 17% in 2 years. Silver would not fare as well as gold for sure.
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post Sep 11 2012, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(doneright @ Sep 11 2012, 02:46 PM)
i would definitely think that a bumi should always try to invest in ASB (or such) first as the returns are quite good. unfortunately, the non-bumis dont have the priviledge to buy. but, there are still many funds out there that they can buy, that can give similar if not better returns.

i am just speaking from my own experience

of course one have to be careful with gold, silver i dont have comment. while we dont even need to go into stocks. this is why gov schemes is there. some people buy because they believe the risk is acceptable to them. of course the misconception is that gov funds dont have any risks, which, may be true. but with similar risks, one may be able to get better returns elsewhere smile.gif
Yup ive already maxed out the ASB. Thats why i went into gold and now considering silver. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 13 2012, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(whyee @ Sep 12 2012, 05:05 PM)
what does he mean max out. there are more than ten thousand accounts with more than 500kRM.
Your maximum investment in ASB is 200K. But your dividends can accumulate without a limit. But i personally know of a number of individuals who have got their max limit raised. You gotta have the right connections. brows.gif


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QUOTE(edministrator @ Sep 13 2012, 09:17 AM)
oh.. thats weird. thought they payput 6% dividend last yr?
gonna try to put in some $ in ASN3 then. no chance to top up my ASW2020.
thanks for ur reply!
Im hoping the elections would be in 2013 because for sure all PNB funds especially ASB will get good returns. Even EPF.

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QUOTE(whyee @ Sep 13 2012, 05:01 PM)
i think max loan is 200k, no limit if put cash.
Nothing to do with loan. Max investment is 200K. After 200K investment, only your dividends can increase but u cant put in more cash.
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QUOTE(tanch78 @ Sep 23 2012, 01:57 PM)
I hope AS1M will declared at least 7% dividend this year!  wink.gif
If AS1M declares 7%, then ASB will be 10%. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 27 2012, 02:18 PM)
Amanah Saham 1Malaysia income distribution of 6.60 sen per unit for the financial year ended 30 September 2012 thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif  as expected cool2.gif
What was the previous declaration?
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post Sep 28 2012, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 27 2012, 03:41 PM)

2010 - 6.38
2011 - 6.50

Almost same like asw & asd  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif
If thats the case, then ASB should declare income (dividend + bonus) of at least 9.0% for 2012. Last year was 8.80%. Best was in 1994 which was 14.0%.
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QUOTE(teikboon @ Oct 1 2012, 10:32 PM)
just sold most of my units of as1m this morning... plan to use those money for other kind of investments. hope i won't regret it next year if the dividend payout suddenly increased to almost 10%  laugh.gif
If it reaches 10%, then what's the payout for ASB? 15%? Wont happen in the near future.

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 1 2012, 10:38 PM)
Don't waste your precious time on "hunting" the AS1M or any other sold-out ASxx
There's better options in the market than giving money to Govt's biggest ponzi scheme.
Well, ponzi or otherwise, you must remember that these funds are somewhat secure as compared to other investments. It gives u a steady income without you having to constantly monitor it. Yes im well aware of the 'is it secure' arguments but then again is any investment secure and what are the risk factors? But yes i wouldnt park all my money in them but nevertheless its still a worthwhile investment to get some decent returns.
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QUOTE(doneright @ Oct 3 2012, 11:30 AM)
i fully second this.  thumbup.gif

time flies without you realizing it. time wasted is equal to money lost in terms on investment, and more so in these compounded interest type of investment
So what are you recommending?
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post Oct 12 2012, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Oct 11 2012, 05:05 PM)
they are giving 6.5% interest rate pa?
ASB offers the best interest rates compared to other ASNB funds. Last year they gave out 7.65+1.15 = 8.80%.
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QUOTE(doneright @ Oct 12 2012, 10:48 AM)
indeed they are smile.gif

btw, i wonder why it is not open to the chinese  laugh.gif
Native rights? But the question here is are the natives really natives of Malaysia? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(doneright @ Oct 12 2012, 12:15 PM)
native rights aside... i cant figure why they dont sell to the chinese. i'm pretty sure we will sapu it in no time.

my take is that, the chinese are smart and dont mind to withdraw anytime in big sums. and because the gov have the habit to make our money seem like disappear somewhere questionable, this will pose problems a problem for them. its not unknown that gov funds for example epf have questionable accounts. so investors who obediently park their money long term works best for them. worse that happens is all those money only remain as numbers in their deposit booklets. hard to see that day come as it will throw the country into riots, it is still something to ponder smile.gif
Yes thats true. But i think the main reason is because of the high returns of ASB, the Gov wants to be seen as giving more 'exclusive' rights to a selected race. If it were open to all, then the effect of exclusivity is lost. But in reality, its mainly the higher income groups and some of the middle income ppl who are clearly benefiting from ASB. Hence, the rich get richer while the poor remain poor.
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QUOTE(doneright @ Oct 12 2012, 02:40 PM)
i thought anyone (eligible) can buy any time?
with a promise of such high returns, its easy to get people deposit large amounts of money. plus, they give loans to those who want to max out their ASB.

while the math seems right, the fundementals does not. it can only sustain itself until that far.
Max 200K capital investment. Many of those who have not maxed out, dont quite know about loan schemes to invest in ASB. But even with the loan, your net profit is about 2-3% only.
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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 8 2012, 05:34 PM)
Then, what you expect?
your question never on Amanah Saham, just claim it too fishy or anything else. if you're not interested, then why waste your time on this thread, that's seem too fishy too. this is not the topic you can "crap" about it, as we mentioned before, but you never take for granted.  rclxms.gif
Adolf, I dont have any personal interest in either you or Doneright but what i do know is that he has never tried to push Mutual Funds down anybody's throat. Ive had some correspondence with him past month and what he says makes sense. Mutual funds have the capacity to earn more returns than Amanah Saham but it comes with a higher risk profile too. So if ure willing to take the risk and if your investment pays off then you get better returns. I too have ASB and a number of other investments so im quite aware about what Doneright has told me and i understand what ure saying. But let's stop with this name calling and return the thread to its original purpose. Doneright is free to state his opinion and ure free to accept or reject it. If you wish to prove a point then do so in a matured manner. All these name calling doesnt reflect too well on yourself.

Again, im a neutral party but after the past 20 posts from both of you, i must say this is getting a bit tiring. There is a way to argue maturedly but this clearly aint it. So lets end it now shall we?

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post Nov 16 2012, 09:53 AM

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Had to withdraw 40K from my ASB to put downpayments for 2 properties. Damn! Losing almost 1.5 months of interest. biggrin.gif

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