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ZeneticX	Mar 22 2012, 06:11 PM Return to original view \| Post #1
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	not really planted aquarium related here but since i cant find any suitable forums to ask so have to ask u guys, since u guys are mostly pro on this i blif how do i wash the gravel in my aquarium? i haven't wash my gravel since my first wash when i bought them. only perform water changes i now noticed there's a layer of yellow forming on the gravel although i have a filter now some planted aquarium question. i feel like converting my current normal setup into planted aquarium. my tank size is 15" x 8" . enough for planted aquarium? any other accessories i need : eg ; filter , other than those stated in first post? roughly need how much for a beginner set up? need some recommendations for beginner This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Mar 22 2012, 06:18 PM
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ZeneticX	Mar 22 2012, 07:05 PM Return to original view \| Post #2
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(usermode @ Mar 22 2012, 06:25 PM) i dont really clearly see which are the yellow forming thing u mentioned but how long your tank have been setted up? it might be diatoms. otto and yamato would help you. they'll eat these soft-soft stuffs. on the picture.u will noticed there's a few spots of white. the rest are yellowish i think my tank is up for 1 and a half month now.
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ZeneticX	Mar 22 2012, 07:57 PM Return to original view \| Post #3
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(usermode @ Mar 22 2012, 07:52 PM) when did the first sign of this thing appeared that you started to notice? i assume this is just a normal diatoms. happens to new tanks most of the time. u'll get it cleared earlier with otto and yamato or u can jsut leave it just like that..... when the time coems, it will dissappear by itself. but you can always vacuum your gravels too. just use the hose when the time you do your WC. i start noticing it i guess 2 weeks ago. hope u are right it will disappear soon enough. how about my question below? QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Mar 22 2012, 06:11 PM) now some planted aquarium question. i feel like converting my current normal setup into planted aquarium. my tank size is 15" x 8" . enough for planted aquarium? any other accessories i need : eg ; filter , other than those stated in first post? roughly need how much for a beginner set up? need some recommendations for beginner
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ZeneticX	Mar 22 2012, 09:19 PM Return to original view \| Post #4
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(LuQEE @ Mar 22 2012, 09:03 PM) ZeneticX, u really remind me of the me when starting planted tanks lol my chronology on how i got 'terjebak' into this epic hobby lol: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1)got marimos and dump them into fishbowl. 2)every week got mosquito larvae, so fedup and starts ditching available bettas into it. 3)notice the bacta bloom, so put more stems plants in it 4)thinks abit crowded in the fishbowl (too much fish n plants for a 3g bowl ), so went to NA out of boredom. 5)bought 5g plastic tank + fine stones + more cheap2 stem plants + filter + stupid deco ligthing, went home and replant and retransfer all of them without cycling first. Bacta bloom for the 11th(?) time. 6)went online to search idea on maintaining aquatic plants bcoz they are melting and dying slowly, stumble on the term "Aqua Scaping" and join all the forums like in here. Also met some of the sifus like sisaiko who manage to poison me even more with his tanks at his shop 7)notice all the mistakes ive made to reach this far (thanx to all the sifus)...such as the soil,the filter,the ligthing 8)now .. planning on ideas of scaping for 2ft tank Status: Pending Conclusion: 3g Fishbowl --> 5g Plastic Tank --> 2x 2Ft Tank Yay! wonder how you guys stumble on this hobby? good chronology of events there lol i already have my tank ready. just wonder about the steps and accessories required
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ZeneticX	Mar 22 2012, 10:01 PM Return to original view \| Post #5
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(shinshishio @ Mar 22 2012, 09:21 PM) try take a look on this entire page aquascape read-only memory so that basicly all i need to get? the light i already have. just the other stuffs, sounds complicated for me to setup roughly how much for a set up like dat? with my tank size
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ZeneticX	Mar 23 2012, 12:15 AM Return to original view \| Post #6
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(usermode @ Mar 23 2012, 12:01 AM) u have any budget in mind that you're willing to spend on this hobby? monthly? initially? the answer of your question varies from as cheap as you can be up until the most glorious pricetags. how about you give a number and we'll help you sort out what things u'll need within that budget of yours. lor of people would have this question and i bet lot of people here can help you to sort out. Added on March 23, 2012, 12:04 am ♫ mari mari..~ mari main air~ ♪ erm not really have any budget in mind. i was thinking to spend any amount just for the necessaries. but of coz not too high budget max i can go maybe around rm300? beginner set up will do, no need pro stuffs
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ZeneticX	Mar 23 2012, 03:05 AM Return to original view \| Post #7
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(usermode @ Mar 23 2012, 12:36 AM) see, 300.. that's a number already ...let's see what you can have in 300. Non-ADA Aquasoil = RM40 Rocks = RM100 Plants = RM30 Lighting = RM60 DIY CO2 = RM 10 HOB Filter = RM25 Saechem Excel = RM50 Small Fan (Optional) = RM35 = RM345 / RM315 (w/o fan). tadaa... iwagumi~ hu hu hu!!! minus the lighting and DIY CO2 = RM265 = pretty nice lowtech tank. woot~ p/s: this if i were you, otherp eople might have their own budgetting but sure something could come out.. light i already have. i believe its sufficient enough rocks also have, from my current aquarium. HOB filter also can save, already have as well. what's the fan for? any seller in LYN i can purchase all these stuffs in 1 go? here's my current tank. lighting check, HOB filter check, stones check. tht fake barrel i think can use as well QUOTE(sudosandwich @ Mar 23 2012, 12:44 AM) can probably cut the budget on rocks. i got mine from nursery in bandar sri damansara super cheap. or just do simple layout with moss, can turn out very nice also. rocks definitely out of the list. i already have some now This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Mar 23 2012, 03:48 AM
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ZeneticX	Mar 23 2012, 03:48 PM Return to original view \| Post #8
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(LuQEE @ Mar 23 2012, 05:21 AM) to save more budget, i guess, DIY 12DC Computer Fan + 12V AC-DC Adapter(less volt, means less rpm in fan) instead, of going full plants, try moss only haha, no need speacial CO2 and ferts... moss only tank looks good too if you know how to manipulate them example of moss tank: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « im looking forward to these actually. how to start? this is beginner friendly right? any maintenance after starting a planted aquarium? eg : water changing? QUOTE(shinshishio @ Mar 23 2012, 10:16 AM) always google translate them some nice info might be unavailable in english. not all aquarist like to share what they had found out. just like that yuzu and khaki juice-liquid fertilizer or maybe we the one who did not ask them? for non-ADA aqua soil, H.E.L.P 3L brand price = RM 35. also was made in japan rocks can be buy at nursery around kampung melayu nursey near kota damansara. more cheap i guess. try buying only 2 type of plant for your first trying. once they grow bigger, cut any part you wish to theow them out and the one that you just cut off, tie them on driftwood, riccia stone, etc. hehe.. just concentrate on fertilizer@potassium for 'rootless' plant such as riccia seachem? i though can buy some liquid fertilizer starting from RM 39 QUOTE(surfsmurf @ Mar 23 2012, 03:25 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « ur light i think is 11w. you can only grow low light plants if u wanna save on soil, grow plants that is attached to rocks/wood so i need to get a new light as well how many w? so in conclusion if i wanna start a moss tank. what do i need now? full list This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Mar 23 2012, 03:50 PM
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ZeneticX	Mar 23 2012, 04:01 PM Return to original view \| Post #9
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(usermode @ Mar 23 2012, 03:58 PM) @ZeneticX moss only tank, the only things u need the most as newbie is : PATIENCE and i am serious. i have that. how about accessories and materials? if lets say i don't have the patience then whats the other option?
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ZeneticX	Mar 23 2012, 11:24 PM Return to original view \| Post #10
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(LuQEE @ Mar 23 2012, 09:31 PM) water change? lol. .. 10-30% weekly, depends on ure biomass produce by ure fauna in the tank itself, more poo, more water change, less poo, sometimes 1 month ok la hehe(but this also depends on ure tank size, heavily planted or not and good filtration system) can ask all the sifus here to teach you more in real detail, they help me alot and inspire me , but turn my eyes green with envy in the end bro, if you are the adventurous type, you can mod/edit ure existing lighting set to suit for low-medium lighting. mine is abit same like ures, 11w, almost same design but different lenght and different brand. but change to 18w with 6500K colour temperature. watt calculation i use is 1gallon=3 watts, not sure if im right or wrong, still newbie like you ignore the cheapo plastic tank and noob setup hehe~ » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « ok. my tank is 15 inch x 8 inch size. for fish i will only have a betta, or some neon tetra in the future when my betta RIP but those things aside first. now to the final list of stuffs i need. can some1 list out for me with RM300 budget? for moss setup and normal setup. This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Mar 23 2012, 11:27 PM
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ZeneticX	Mar 24 2012, 02:03 PM Return to original view \| Post #11
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(flipmode @ Mar 24 2012, 08:41 AM) moss setup: - driftwood RM50 - multi - moss RM50 - holland sand RM25 (moss tank only rite? no need aquasoil) - rock (you can pick up from nearest river) - light RM60 (15 watt will do the job) - HOB filter (you already have) - fishing line [(rm0.50)to tie moss] total damaged to your pocket :rm185.50 __________________________________________________________________ normal planted tank. co2 tank RM180 regulator RM80 buble counter RM30 check valve RM2.50 x 2 diffuser RM12 high pressure tube RM 18 Co2 set ______________________ light RM90 aquasoil RM95 bacteria powder RM25 plant RM50 HOB filter (you already have) rock (you can pick up from nearest river) total damaged :RM585 from my noob opinion..feel free to add/ correct my opinion... wa why normal setup RM585 my budget max within rm300 only i believe some of those can get cheaper right? my tank is not big This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Mar 24 2012, 02:34 PM
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ZeneticX	Mar 24 2012, 05:11 PM Return to original view \| Post #12
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	the bacteria powder is same as the 5 element listed in 1st step at 1st post?
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ZeneticX	Mar 24 2012, 06:38 PM Return to original view \| Post #13
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(myak9 @ Mar 24 2012, 05:35 PM) hc..... mini HC lagi best... Added on March 24, 2012, 5:46 pm I do believe that you are into shrimp as your tank are small... I am starting a shrimp nano tank (12 x 12 x 14) as well (3 weeks have pass)... I am using 3L amazonia new soil min a low light / low maintenance tank (9w)... I forgot to put in the 5 element... I have as usual... nana... mini marselia (minuta)... corol moss... as for co2 supplement...I am using seachem excel... dosing seachem flourish and potassium... I have 5 cherry and 5 crystal brown shrimp... (out of the blue...I put in 10 tetra neon...now can not get them out... ) sooo...farrrr.....soooo...gooood... Added on March 24, 2012, 5:59 pmohh... here are the break down... nano tank(12x12x14)...48 9w dophin light...22 ADA 3L amazonia new...38 internal dophin filter...22 3 nana plants (from my aro tank...assume 15 each)...45 2 pots mini marselia (from my aro tank...assume 15 each pots)...30 corol moss on rock (from my aro tank...assume 15each)...15 seachem excel 500ml...45 seachem flourish 500ml...45 seachem potassium 500ml...45 5 CBS...(10 each)...50 5 cherry (1.5 each)...7.5 10 neon tetra (1.5 each)...15 grand total...427.50 my tank is 15 " x 8 " . for now i only will keep my betta in. after my betta would be neon tetra or maybe shrimp i referred back to the v7 1st post. how much i need for a diy co2 set for a tank size like mine This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Mar 24 2012, 07:01 PM
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ZeneticX	Mar 26 2012, 03:41 PM Return to original view \| Post #14
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(myak9 @ Mar 26 2012, 02:22 PM) since your tank is small and you have betta only... used seachen flourish excel... cheaper compare to diy co2 system... with diy co2 you need to buy/used a lot of thing to make it work... a 2L cocacola bottle will last you like 3 month max... but 500ml excel(rm45) will last you like 500 days (1ml/day)... by the way... you only need to dose 5ml/50gal daily... if your tank is...15"x8"x8"... likely to be 3.5gal... if your tank is...15"x15"x8"... likely to be 7gal... you do the math... jz measured. its 15" x 8" x 9" ok so i decided to skip diy CO2 part these are the stuffs i plan to get now QUOTE white sand ada amazonia normal 3l rocks dw plants bw essense k excel is my current light sufficient? 11w 6700k. hope someone can guide me when i got my items, haven't did anything similar before This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Mar 26 2012, 05:31 PM
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ZeneticX	Mar 26 2012, 05:47 PM Return to original view \| Post #15
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(myak9 @ Mar 26 2012, 05:30 PM) dun buy amazonia normal... cause amazonia new 3L pack only max rm40.00... the difference only max RM5.00 3L pack can cover 12"x12" of 1" front and 2" back... you dun need white sand too... I got mine for only RM38.00 if low tech low light plants only need 1-2w/gal... if high tech high light plants needs 3-5w/gal... remember the more watt you have...the more heat you generate... Added on March 26, 2012, 5:41 pmany 1 out there dun any experiment on lighting temp... 4000k vs 6000k... as warmer light promote flower blooming... cooler lighting promote growth... most aquarium lighting are cool daylight (6000k) I found out that algae like 4000k-ish lighting... they bloom that's why algae only grows on the sunset side of rocks... can list out some examples of low tech low light plants? my tank size should be 4 gal right?
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ZeneticX	Mar 26 2012, 06:03 PM Return to original view \| Post #16
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(myak9 @ Mar 26 2012, 05:53 PM) try this...http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/plantfinder/all.php your tank should be 3.5-3.8gal.as we dun fill to the top of the tank... ok i try get some low - medium requirement plants for the soil go for ADA new Amazonia ?
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ZeneticX	Mar 27 2012, 04:32 PM Return to original view \| Post #17
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	whats a good replacement for seachem excel? my seller ran out of stock
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ZeneticX	Mar 27 2012, 04:55 PM Return to original view \| Post #18
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(bluecoat @ Mar 27 2012, 04:39 PM) Is your tank really full of algae ? Y need excel , sometime it was hard decision to put excel . It may cause my plant bad im starting a new low tech tank
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ZeneticX	Mar 27 2012, 05:00 PM Return to original view \| Post #19
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	btw can i mix BW Growth with BW Essence K?
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ZeneticX	Mar 27 2012, 05:14 PM Return to original view \| Post #20
stars for what All Stars 12,412 posts Joined: Jan 2008 From: KL - Cardiff - Subang - Sydney	QUOTE(usermode @ Mar 27 2012, 05:01 PM) definitely can. same thing like u mix excel with brighty K. they supply different thing. thanks i've place order on ADA new Amazonia, driftwood, rocks, plants (Flame Moss+Narrow Fern+Anubias Nana) and BW Essence K + Growth. what to do with the soil, rocks, wood and plants when i 1st receive them? any preparation steps before i assemble them in my tank?
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