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post Apr 24 2012, 10:21 PM

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I'm curious how the water and the aquariums are so clean in everyone's photos... I'm thinking of trying, but I'm afraid of the maintenance part.
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post Apr 24 2012, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(usermode @ Apr 24 2012, 10:25 PM)
- frequent waterchange.
- live plants are natural filter.
- good filteration and water flow.

do not be scared... be optimist. consider the more closer you are with nature, the more they'll be on your side. smile.gif
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Live plants can act as a natural filter? I have a aquarium which I think is around 18inch horizontally (measured based on my 18inch lcd screen) and am using a simple filter, purchased for 28rm at a aquarium shop. Placed a AquaZonic light over it. Water is clean, no algae problem but I'm not sure whether it is in good condition.

I purchased pebbles as a startup and covered the flooring, bought a cheap 1.50rm plant (now it's overgrown), hide it beneath the pebbles. I also have 2 marimo balls and for fishes, I am rearing cheap guppies smile.gif

My purpose to setup the aquarium tank was to relieve my eyes from looking at the laptop screen too much. Seeing my fishes swim around makes me happy (I don't mind cheap or expensive fishes sweat.gif )

I'm planning to setup a planted aquarium as my second tank, but I have no knowledge at all in that rclxub.gif
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post Apr 25 2012, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(usermode @ Apr 24 2012, 10:58 PM)
- live plants helps for those micro particles that your filter cant trap and also those nitrates and ammonia, etc. but this doesnt mean u dont need a filter at all. filter is a MUST.... it's the heart of the tank.
- different tank requires different setup and most of the time because each tank having a different layout for water circulations, different plants planted, different amount of water (due to different numbers of hardscapes).
- but fundamentals of planted tank are still the same. you can google for more info on starting a planted tanks. other hobbyist could help and give opinions on things that u dont understand or confuse, but we cant hold your hands from zero to hero.... tongue.gif
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The more I read, the more it makes me feel that it is very difficult to achieve it. Maybe I should start with a single plant, flat layout and learn to take care of the plants before even attempting to design.

How come this picture doesn't have any filter or anything at all? Am I missing something here, please help notworthy.gif
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post Apr 25 2012, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(usermode @ Apr 25 2012, 10:25 AM)
- people usually would take out all the equipments from the tank and make sure the tank looks at its best for final photo or FTS (full-tank shot).
- i would recommend tat also, learn to grow plants and their requirements.... then only start for serious designing. great aquascape deisgn with dead/unhealthy plants would be more sux.. LOL!!!  doh.gif
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I love the idea of planted aquarium because the aquarium looks so alive with plants. If I were to start a simple tank with only a singular plant and fishes, what are the basic requirements?

- Aquarium
- Filter
- Lighting

I think the top 3 is the most important. Followed by

- Sand
- Plant
- Fish

This is what my knowledge can produce, please let me know what are the knowledge that I'm lacking. Do you think page 1 guide is sufficient? icon_question.gif

Another question, filters changes the flow of the water current in the tank, I am always unsure how much pressure should the filter be producing. If I put let it suck up water at a high speed rate, the water flows down like waterfall, my fishes begin to swim around faster.
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post Apr 25 2012, 01:26 PM

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Hello jctasoga,

First off, thanks for your informational post, every post replied serves a great knowledge to me. Could we review your post together.

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ie the lights, if u get 2 x 18w flouroscent type, already 1.8wpg (assume its 20gallons)


Lighting wise, how do we measure the brightness required for the tank? I think it is a basic question, but I don't really know what's the differences. Below you also mentioned about LED, I have searched before when I bought my marimo ball, but I still don't understand why the use of LED or fluorescent.

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co2 also can DIY, 1 x 1.5ltr bottle but need to change it each week.

What is the purpose of co2? I searched on how to DIY, doesn't seem too hard do it myself. But I believe there is a consideration of how much co2 is required for different sizes of tank?

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plants wise, u can start off with those low to medium requirement.

The nearest fish shop I know of is (below); does all the fish shops provide a wide range of plants? Usually the plants I saw are those cheap rm1.50 plants. I think I have to get a listing of the plants available before attempting to buy one, as to suit my personal liking.

99 Fish & Pets
21,Jalan Datuk Haji Harun,
Taman Taynton,Cheras,
56000 kl

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- filter go with the sizes recommended on websites, generally 4-5x the water in your tank. its usually measured how many liters per hour. so a 240 liter tank, ideally needs 1000l/hr filter or more. higher liter per hour is good, but also more expensive. do take note that the filtration effectiveness is usually not so accurate too. the flowrate can be adjusted at the output of the filter ie faster or slower water rate.

This statement makes me confused rclxub.gif I don't even know how much litre my current aquarium holds!

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sand will compact overtime so its advised to use gravel if possible.

I am currently using pebbles, but a very thin layer. If I pour a thick layer of gravel, won't there be alot of spaces in between? Is a combination of gravel and sand good? Why sand being compact is not advisable too icon_question.gif


When you have started your tank and stuff - as in plants are all in place, is it possible to relocate the tank without harming the inside? I want to have a tank in my room, somewhere near my reading table, but worry that things will get messy.

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Hello weijie,

My office blocks blogging websites, but will remind myself to visit your blog when I get home! Thank you! Is there any particular article for beginners like me? thumbup.gif

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post Apr 25 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Apr 25 2012, 02:07 PM)
That 99 Fish & pets is uncle style LFS, not much you can get from there unless you want Flower Horn fish, since you're in cheras go
88 Pets Mart Sdn. Bhd.
No. 8, 10 & 12, Jalan Pandan Indah 4/10,
Pandan Indah, 55100 K.L.. Tel: 603-42959160

& Natural Plant Aquarium at
No. 6, Jln Seri Taming 1F,
Taman Seri Taming, 43200 Cheras, Selangor, Tel: 03-9100 5485

more to see and learn there.
For fish tank, you can try Alive Aquarium in Jalan Pudu , cheaper then normal LFS , can bargain abit too.

You can calculate your tank water holding capacity by multiply tank Length x Height x Width ,
for example ,2ft tank with measurement of 60cm Length x 36cm Height x 30cm Width = 64.8 liters
                    3ft tank with measurement of 90cm Length x 45cm Height x 45cm Width = 182.25 liters
as you can see the 3ft tank is like 3x the capacity of 2ft tank.
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Hi arrow smile.gif

Can I know what does LFS stands for?

I used to have a 4 1/2ft tank at home, but now converted to host tortoise sweat.gif

There's nothing different between a normal fish tank and a planted tank right?

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post Apr 25 2012, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Apr 25 2012, 03:02 PM)
LFS stand for Local Fish Shop/Store, 
41/2 tank for tortoise ... the tortoise must be huge.

Think you better start with a 2ft tank to try your hand on planted tank , 4 1/2 feet just too much for a beginner, anything need much much
more in a 4 1/2 ft. (soil , deco , bigger filters , Lighting etc) if money is not a problem and you don't mind to break your back for the initial planting
then go with the 4 1/2ft tank.

There is differents , planted tank a lot more complicated and nicer then a normal fish tank but it subjective to individual perceptions on the tank.
Simple :  A normal fish tank can or don't have plants but a planted tank can't exist without plants but can make do without fish.
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The 4 1/2ft cant be used as an aquarium any more due to leakage. So if I were to start, I will be buying a 2ft hmm.gif But how much do you think the startup will cost from scratch?

In terms of keeping the aquarium plants alive, what are the things that has to be considered in maintenance that a normal fish tank does not need?
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post Apr 25 2012, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(usermode @ Apr 25 2012, 03:21 PM)
normal fish tank with artificial plants/decor dont have co2 system or just using table lamp already enough. BUT, this doesnt mean u cant have live plants at all... just the plant choices will be limited (alot less). we call these tank usually as 'low-tech' tank which having less maintenance, less algae issue and cheaper in costing for the upside, but the downside... less plant choice and plant growth is in SUPER SLOW rate.
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Now I know the meaning of 'low-tech' rclxms.gif My current tank has a rm1.50 plant, cheap and growing... but it's not what I want. Besides, I also worry of overgrown plants like the one I'm having, if it overpopulates the tank, how do you trim it icon_question.gif

QUOTE(kimimaro_kun @ Apr 25 2012, 05:18 PM)
basicly the lighting is the replacement of sun in your tank.
you may calculate how much watt in needed for your planted tank. and do remember that som plant may require high light. just search want plant you need and study their requirement.

Carbon dioxide is the basic raw material that plants use in photosynthesis to convert light into food, fiber, and other forms of biomass.
For a starter, maybe you can try to do DIY co2 1. unless money is not a factor to consider.

maybe you can try on anubias or fern. you may refer to ZeneticX's tank.

you may refer here
Aqua tools

the selction of the soil is depend on the plant you want to plant. as for anubias, fern and moss, you wont need soil. but you need to tie them at the driftwood or stone.

Just my noob opinion. Others sifu please correct me if i'm giving a wrong info
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Hello kimimaro_kun!

You mean we can actually calculate how much watt is needed for a tank of specified length*width?

I know that co2 is important for photosynthesis, but no idea that additional co2 is required other than what the aquarium already has. Is it necessary to count the bubbles per second?

I will look at ZeneticX's tank as advised smile.gif

QUOTE(melodyworm @ Apr 25 2012, 10:00 PM)
believe it or not, fish is the least important thing in a planted tank. judging from ur answer above, i think u still have lots of homework to do.

aquarium - self explanatory...
filter - it will be better if you have a cannister as it provides spacce for good bacteria to grow...
lighting - not the normal cheap lighting u can just buy at any local fish shop. must be high voltage so that the light can reach until the bottom of the tank. also depends how deep is ur water in the tank.
sand - not just any sand, most of us here use ADA soil for the tanks but heard others using JBL as well.
plants - try to do some research and start with low maintenance plants.
5 elements - Penac P, Penac W, Clear Super, Tourmaline, Bacter 100 ( this helps grows bacteria to grow in ur tank and decompose harmful material such as ammonia and nitrite to harmless materials. they also helps the growth of plants and provide supplememnts for the plants...
Co2( very important) plants will need co2/carbon dioxide and light for the photosystesis process.
diffuser - to diffuse ur co2 bubbles so that the co2 will melt in ur water rather than floating to the top and wasted.

also, search up the meaning and ways of cycling a tank.

hope i din miss out any important things here...
ps: anything u dunno, try google search or youtube it. thats how i learn most of the time...
pss: 6 months of planning is better than 6 months of headache and regretting... do sufficient homework before you start anything...


Added on April 25, 2012, 10:23 pmby the way, can i ask the sifus here, whats the different between ADA amazonia and ADA malaya soils? and if im right theres also ADA africana? Whats the main difference? or are them just for different looks for your tank? i dont think so personally...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_(aquarium) rclxub.gif How much will it cost for a 2ft tank and it looks very hard to setup.

Lighting wise, don't we need to see the watts that suit the tank?

Wao, thanks for all the information. Though it is quite hard to absorb all at once, I will read and get to know more. I plan to start planting small. Is that possible? Just to build a simple 1ft tank and learn to take care of the plants.
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post Apr 27 2012, 04:22 PM

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I want to ask, if your planted tank is setup nicely already, and you want to relocate the tank, what are the considerations?
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post Apr 28 2012, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(yweising @ Apr 27 2012, 05:10 PM)
below 1ft tank small muscle
below 2ft tank big muscle
more than 2ft tank, hmm...the plant will face tsunami!  tongue.gif
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1ft is already problematic for me! 2ft will require bodybuilders flex.gif

It will be a 2ft, but I'm worried of tsunami unsure.gif The fishes will experience seasick, but I can remove the fishes somewhere else first but what about the plants, if the soil moves, the roots will be damaged right?
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post Apr 28 2012, 02:35 PM

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calvin, I like your first-posted-tank-img, it's very nice with the prawns biggrin.gif

Can I know what is cone shape equipment on the right side of the tank?
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post Apr 28 2012, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Apr 28 2012, 02:51 PM)
Co2 checker
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Thanks notworthy.gif

Can anyone tell me, does Java moss grow rapidly hmm.gif If it outgrows my aquarium, what should I do?

By the way, is the use of protein skimmer necessary?

On another note, heard that soil solely cost ranges < rm500? hmm.gif

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post Apr 28 2012, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Apr 28 2012, 06:57 PM)
protein skimmer is not necessary for planted tanks (freshwater). its only used in salt water tanks / reef tanks.

soil doesn't need to be that much. it all depends on your budget. economical ones are using potting soil + peat moss (diana walstad method). more high tech ones are using specialized soil like ADA / red sea / etc which are for aquatic planting use. the difference of course is the ease of use and if the nutrients and trace can be stored. read more on google about the methods i mentioned above. its really interesting to read all about the substrate part of the planted tank.

it also depends on your tank size as well.
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Thanks for your info notworthy.gif

Aiming for an economical one, potting soil refers to the the normal soil we can get from our garden? If for example I want to start out just to grow a single plant. Can I just use potting soil to try it?

If, after growing a plant, is it possible to drain out the water from a planted tank, filter the plant from the soil and redo the whole thing? sweat.gif
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post Apr 29 2012, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Apr 28 2012, 09:43 PM)
pls check for ammonia reading. i got keep some cheap ghost shrimp ( i think so la..) those rm1 per cup.. a few of them show the same sign. then their body start to be white colour in small portions (usually is full transparent) then slowly it will make the whole body opac white then mati... pls check water parameters. ur neon tetra should show some signs as well (mine last time got reddish around the gills and its like popping out). sadly they also died next day...

above is based on my experience only. pls also take in other considerations from the power of internet and the gurus here. Cheers.


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Yes, potting soil = normal soil we use to plant flowers. you may start with potting soil but bear in mind the major disadvantage is that potting soil contains lots of nutrient and ammonia (which is beneficial when dry but a super hazard when its being used as aquatic soil). if you see the diana's method, she prefers to soak and dry them to get rid of the excess nutrients/floating dirt before being used in the aquarium. i used this method before and trust me, you really want to follow the instruction of washing it thoroughly. please do search more info on the preparation method. my past experience of doing it is that it works to keep the roots inside but it also clouds the water if you or ur fishes decided to move the plants around. quite a mess to clean up.

cheap things got cheap way of doing it....

there are also other substrates like the gravel that you can use and added with some trace or root tabs. also same effect but very much cleaner way of maintenance. using the gravel, you may move the plants around more freely...
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I think I might want to skip potting soil hmm.gif Worried of getting my aquarium tank black instead of clear water.

Gravel are stones and not soil right? Can roots grow under stones?

By the way, saw jiejian say he is growing HC, what is that?
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post Apr 30 2012, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(flipmode @ Apr 29 2012, 08:06 PM)
Hemianthus callitrichoides..check this out

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/myplants...trichoides.html
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It looks very nice =) Very close to my liking, is it expensive / hard to get?
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post Apr 30 2012, 01:09 PM

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Can a tank withstand the water weight without any polystyrene below it? For my 1ft tank, I put a cloth underneath it. Advise please smile.gif
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post Apr 30 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(kimimaro_kun @ Apr 30 2012, 04:22 PM)
Shouldnt be a prob for a 1ft tank.
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Haha, I was referring in general. I'm planning to get a 2ft tank, but I have yet to decide where to place it. I'm moving to a new house, so I'm planning where to setup the aquarium.
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post May 1 2012, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(kurangak @ May 1 2012, 05:50 PM)
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Very nice rclxms.gif


Added on May 1, 2012, 6:55 pmDoes anyone place their planted tanks in the bedroom?

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post May 2 2012, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ May 1 2012, 07:08 PM)
hehe, both of my tanks are inside my bedroom,1.5ft next to my bed, 2ft infront of my bed..
maybe in the future 3ft opposite off my bed.. lol jk jk, no room already

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Omg, is it hard to maintain it... especially when cleaning the tank, removing the water.. setting up the tank. icon_question.gif I plan to setup a 2ft tank but am very worried of the consequences. Probably your room is huge sweat.gif
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post May 2 2012, 01:27 PM

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I got 1ft for my guppies, but it is a simple setup, just the tank, filter and light so I can have it in my room without trouble... but what about planted tanks, looks like it require a lot of space.

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