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 Nokia 808 The New King of Cameraphone!, Available now!!

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haley0918
post Mar 2 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 2 2012, 05:48 PM)
I made this quickly so pardon the minimalist graphic.

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See the images above. Imagine that they are a group of blue, green and red pixel. The group with the pixels on top tier have some bad pixels/noises. What pureview do is select the best pixels in that group which matches their surroundings and replaces those bad pixels with good ones. So the noises is eliminated.

Itu apa yang gua paham la.
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close enough but no accurate
it's not so simple as to select the best one
there should be some complex formula to average out the differences and not loosing detail
more on that will be in their intellectual proerty
if it's so simple to just select the best one then there's no difference with using any image viewer to open up a photo and zoom out on it
in fact, if it's that simple, 6 months from now you would see android or ios have included this in them
haley0918
post Mar 2 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 2 2012, 05:59 PM)
Well, this is what I understand from their explaination. This are on the pixel level. To make up an image, thousands of pixels will be crowded near each others and each group will be leveled to the best on in the group and when saved as 8 or 5 MP picture, the image will be very sharp, precise and minimal noise.
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on software point of view, you can't just level a group to the best in the group
for this to happen, you'll need to implement artificial intelligence to somehow conclude the best one from the group
and the difficulty is on how you going to know which is the best in that group
the sensors are exposed to random colours at specific time
further more if artificial intelligence was implemented, it will require more processing power than this 1.3GHz
and it has already been explain that a proprietary chip has been developed for this tech
haley0918
post Mar 2 2012, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Mar 2 2012, 06:13 PM)
And its a very powerful chip judging from the video of photo snapping. To examine each and every pixel of the 41MP and amending the pixels yet only takes a second or so.
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from my little experience and judgement, it won't have to be a very powerful chip
they didn't clearly state the category of the chip as GPU or image co-processor
but what i can say is that they probably had the formula all coded into hardware form and made into a chip
so the process is somewhat mechanized instead of waiting for clock cycles on software
if it really is a GPU i'm pretty sure the battery going to be larger than 1400mah to match the battery life of n8
haley0918
post Mar 2 2012, 07:32 PM

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808 PureView going to be my first touchscreen
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post Mar 2 2012, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 2 2012, 08:44 PM)
one think i like abt resistive screen is that i could use my finger to type. its a hell alot more accurate then using ur thumb...
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you mean finger nails ... right? whistling.gif
haley0918
post Mar 2 2012, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(kae7 @ Mar 2 2012, 08:53 PM)
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well, N82, N86 , isn't a touchscreen phone biggrin.gif

anyway , i think .. before N82 , Nokia released N80  biggrin.gif

N70 isn't a phone that focus camera thingy..

I like N80 more than N73 ,

i have tried my uncle's phone[N80] before this , and it is amazing .. just that , N73 win in term of speaker smile.gif
N80 --> N82 --> N86 --> N8 --> Nokia 808 [is '8' means lucky number for Nokia? , they use this number to represent phone that has best/good camera]
the '7 series in Nokia N series' is lower line

for example --> Nokia N70[also got ME version] , Nokia N71 , Nokia N72 ,  Nokia N73[also got ME version] , Nokia N75, Nokia N76 ,  Nokia N78 , Nokia N79

N70 , N73, N76, N79 are remarkable phones in 'N7 series' ,
the phones have great features

the '8 series in Nokia series' is medium line [I think its focus more into camera]

Nokia N80[also got Internet edition] , Nokia N81 , Nokia N82 , Nokia N85 , Nokia N86 , Nokia N8 , Nokia 808

Nokia N80 got great video camera [and also good camera] , Nokia N81 got good speaker and great slide phone , Nokia N82 got great camera , Nokia N85 is a good multimedia phone [successor for Nokia N81] and also good camera phone , Nokia N86 is a great Nokia camera phone , Nokia N8[nothing much to say :hehe] , Nokia 808 [mother of god]

the '9 series in Nokia N series' is high[premium] line

Nokia N90 - is a great multimedia smartphone by Nokia , it looks like videocam , but it isn't biggrin.gif  ,
Nokia N91 - is one of the greatest phone that Nokia ever made [especially its 8GB version], great build quality , great speaker , great....
Nokia N92 - another variant of N90 , but still  thumbup.gif
Nokia N93 - also got the N93i , it is a videocam , lol... great smartphone and great video camera,  successor for N90 , still remember the contest that organized by Nokia Malaysia , people recording videos just using this N93..
Nokia N95 - also got the 8GB version , it is one of the greatest phone by Nokia , flagship phone , that change boost Nokia , remember , N95 got many awards , people who want smartphone last time will go for this..
Nokia N96 - great multimedia phone , so many hype for this phone[TV , etc..] ..but then.. I guess Nokia N85 is better than this phone
Nokia N97 - qwerty keypad slide with touch screen  biggrin.gif
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nice one rclxms.gif
but do N9 and N900 go into the premium line?
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post Mar 2 2012, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(JdOtL @ Mar 2 2012, 09:06 PM)
This will definitely be my next upgrade..if not mistaken pureview dont have GPU like N8?
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should have...

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/03/02/full-res...ew-sample-pics/
there's a comment in the link that mentioned about the GPU but not confirmed

btw, Gizmodo Australia doesn't look like really want to admit their clumsy rant about the 808 PureView
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/nokia-80...ng-the-critics/
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post Mar 4 2012, 11:53 PM

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GSMArena: Tell us more about the companion chip in the camera. Is it a first for Nokia? Is it being done elsewhere?  D. Dinning: As far as I know, the way of doing it this way is unique to us. The companion chip takes the information directly from the sensor and scales it, before that data goes to the GPU. The GPU has less load because of this scaling chip. What that means in practice is that in video we are able to handle over one billion pixels per second.


it's clearer now...
it's not GPU that handles the raw image data directly from the sensor
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post Mar 4 2012, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 5 2012, 12:54 AM)
we know there is a companion chip a long time ago liao..
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ya, but the argument was the companion chip is a GPU or what
back then i speculate that using GPU will need larger battery than 1400mah
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post Mar 5 2012, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Mar 5 2012, 01:00 AM)
but u need to consider as well when using that dedicated camera processing chip it will reduce the gpu load at the same time which "might" balance out the extra power usage...  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 5 2012, 01:03 AM)
hmm.. nvr cross my mind coz its sort of doesn't make sense to me because  that would make the 808 have 2 GPU.. redundant to say the least. my initial impression have always been that damian mention the technology is unique to nokia because they develop it with their partners. so i naturally assume that the chip is part of that technology because nothing off the shelf GPU or not can handle 41MP
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my explanation was on this post

i had been involved in certain electronics R&D for some little time
by looking at the battery capacity and the huge amount of pixels to process for video, of course it's not going to be GPU
just that during the MWC, reviews and earlier interviews it's confusing that some of them relate the companion chip to GPU

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post Mar 5 2012, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 5 2012, 01:17 AM)
12:15am liao.. @_@ ppl start to name qualification liao on internet... i go sleep first.. u win...
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i'm very sorry if i have overdone this notworthy.gif
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post Mar 5 2012, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Mar 5 2012, 01:20 AM)
the companion camera processor is "NOT" there to easier up the build in gpu but rather "OVERCOME" the build gpu limitation to processing those imaging data requirement... imagine who gonna just waste the resource if it able to be perform by already have hw... cost bro sure will increase and that would be the final "pain" that ANY company willing to sacrifice...  brows.gif
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yes, that's why some of the repetitive tasks to process each pixels have to be coded into hardware form to mechanically process the pixels
that's speed improvement by squeezing few hundred clock cycles on software into few cycles of hardware
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post Mar 5 2012, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Mar 5 2012, 01:29 AM)
believe me the 808 camera module is NOT a cheap thing that been implemented... so as i previously say although the pureview tech will get implemented across others platform but the 808 camera module would be LAST on it's kind... all the later will only have the pureview tech but "cheapo" camera module... so get the 808 NOW or NEVER!!!  rclxm9.gif
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agree thumbup.gif
include me in the list of people waiting on the starting line to get this phone
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post Apr 22 2012, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(xsaintzx @ Apr 22 2012, 06:44 PM)
I'ts funny how you want a phone for sole camera purpose rather than a real camera and carry another phone around you. doh.gif
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obviously you have a lot of pockets and bags to carry stuffs

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post May 16 2012, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ May 16 2012, 04:01 PM)
what u mean by "4K video recording"??  unsure.gif
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it's a new standard of resolution for image or video requiring over 4k pixels horizontally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution
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post Jun 4 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 4 2012, 01:41 PM)
umm, the 3x zoom IS digital zoom.

works from the full 41mp res, and a 5mp area is selected which is roughly 3x zoom.

41mp res = 7728 x 5368
divide that by 3 = 2384 x 1789 = 4.6mp
3x zoom is 5mp res = 3072 x 1728

so its roughly there.
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on the surface it can be categorized as digital method of zooming

if you compare to previous zooming technology, they were taking 1MP with interpolation to reach up to 5MP of zooming. this means that there's loss of quality. it's like estimating a new pixel from 2 or more pixels and estimation is not always correct.

on the other way round 808 discards unwanted pixel regions and only focus on the region that user wants to zoom in, which is still 5MP. so you don't loose any detail and the result would be similar to using optical lens to zoom the whole image on the whole 5MP sensor die.
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post Jun 4 2012, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 5 2012, 12:15 AM)
ur statement basically said can save 41mp...
unless 34 = 41, or 38=41...  whistling.gif
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i don't get why you need the full 41MP, unless you want the full sensor image with all 4 black corners

as described in the white paper, the sensor is 41MP but because of the circular image window, a 16:9 image will have 34MP for full resolution while 4:3 image will have 38MP full resolution

http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/...-whitepaper.pdf
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post Jun 5 2012, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 5 2012, 12:34 AM)
umm i dont recall ever saying i need 41mp.
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then please don't bother with sklchan and nokia's seemingly slight error on number of pixels.

even if it's too much of hassle to go through the whole thread, please read through the white paper i'd provided to get the correct idea and logic behind it.
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post Jun 11 2012, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(feimeng @ Jun 11 2012, 09:23 PM)
if it is imported from other region
the product code should be the one of the particular country where your 808 comes from
check the product code over navifirm should get you the answer
if it shows that it is Malaysia product code, then they are all liers
they just try to make up a story so that they can sell you higher price later

Please, those of you who has the 808, do a check on your product code see if tis true.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 11 2012, 09:25 PM)
Most important is the warranty. Even region code is wrong as long as warranty by arista/avaxx and zitron will be alright. You are actually paying the extra for the warranty. So make sure check for the warranty card and warranty sticker.

The most most important make sure the warranty card IMEI and on your phone IMEI are identical.
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QUOTE(ne0cz @ Jun 11 2012, 09:28 PM)
wrong region code will start to cause problems when it comes to language. Does it have Chinese input built in?
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 11 2012, 09:30 PM)
not so sure but APAC usually have all 3 languages.  Most important 1st is the warranty then region code.
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QUOTE(feimeng @ Jun 11 2012, 09:34 PM)
product code is unique
different country, different color, locked/unlocked version has their own unique product code
you wouldn't get it wrong
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mind post here the supposed correct and incorrect product codes?
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post Jun 12 2012, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Jun 12 2012, 11:06 AM)
sales person in Nokis store use iphone & blackberry.... I asked them about how to set a full res mode they r struggling to find the setting, even 2 person also cannot find out the setting itself. At last i show them where is the setting. doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

Bolehland memang boleh, hire salesperson does not have the passion for Nokia, they work for the sake of working.  shakehead.gif

Btw this phone become my primary phone, leave MeeGo like for few week lol  laugh.gif
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same goes for pc parts department. sometimes i enjoy dressing as poor fag asking the sales person about the specs, and then shoot them down on their mistakes. whistling.gif

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