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 Nokia 808 The New King of Cameraphone!, Available now!!

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haley0918
post Feb 29 2012, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Feb 29 2012, 04:01 PM)
in bolehland 3G sure phail!!  doh.gif
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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Feb 29 2012, 04:05 PM)
totally agree, using 3G in Bolehland is as good as fail... doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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lol...that's why i was quite doubtful when you say about using 3g towers
usual 384kbps upload rate for sure cannot handle 1080p
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post Feb 29 2012, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Feb 29 2012, 05:05 PM)
i trying to mean is getting something like maxis tower so u can transmit your radio frequency for very far distance. There's a lots of challenge for radio frequency especially u r using UAV in cities. technically is possible but working on it its not as easy as talking. mounting 808 on it, is another challenge lol... taking picture is boring, need to play something more interesting, haha...
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i totally understand the challenges, that's why i would like to know your streaming setup for this.
let's say there's no problem on mounting, but the real problem is how to transmit the data or signal.
if it's possible to output the video feed to another transmitter, what kind and type would it be and the bandwidth?
that's why i'm very interested to know when you mentioned using the camera on this phone.

"getting something like maxis tower so u can transmit your radio frequency for very far distance" - i think i understand your point on this as to use some kind of signal repeater for the carrier that you're going to use.

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post Feb 29 2012, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Feb 29 2012, 05:54 PM)
my idea is, instead of using bolehland 3G data plan, y not use wifi that comes with the phone? The only things u need to do is the boast up the wifi signal with 4 way point or more. And ur video streaming for 1024p is as good as done. To make it more interesting you can make use of the GPS in phone after u done with all these challenge. Sounds like a plan?
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it is a plan! rclxms.gif
but will require a custom software server in the phone.
as for wifi antenna and repeaters, that's going to cost alot and trouble of deployment
not to forget that range of wifi is restricted to about 100m for public use, further will need license.
but for now and hobbyist use, 3G data services with low resolution video is still the way to go
GPS is already in my list too just that i didn't ever consider using a phone notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Feb 29 2012, 05:56 PM)
Might work with unifi. But question how far can it cover and how far do you tend to fly.
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for you guys in west malaysia there's unifi but not yet for me in sarawak.
it's quite disappointing that there's no coverage map of unifi to evaluate it's coverage profile

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post Feb 29 2012, 07:27 PM

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people compare 808 with dslr when they see the picture quality
808 probably only enough to "touch" the dslr zone
but i know 808 works in a different dimension compare to dslr
haley0918
post Mar 1 2012, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Mar 1 2012, 01:32 AM)
It seems that the 808 forgo the small pin nokia charger for a usb one... meaning my nokia charger in my car will probably be useless unless i can find an adapter for it...
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if your in car charger also has a USB out then just get another nokia USB-A to micro-USB data cable or just nokia usb charger cable
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post Mar 1 2012, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 1 2012, 12:09 PM)
GSMArena publish the interview with Damian Dining, those that do not understand the technology about the 808 41MP sensor, and thought it's a 5MP should go take some time and pay attention and read it. It's informative. ESPECIALLY the person who wrote the front page article, it's so disappointing!

http://www.gsmarena.com/d_dinning_intervie...-review-728.php

Basically, the 5MP is oversampling (just imagine processing a 38/34MP image and resample (oversample) into 5MP) resulting a very high quality image.
You can still take FULL Resolution photo, which means no oversampling is done.
Besides, there's no need to take full resolution everytime, imagine the file size!

If you zoom in 5MP mode, it will reduce the oversampling as you zoom until the maximum.
The reason for this: It's like Optical zoom, but you don't need a zoom lens.
The benefit: Cheaper than investing in a optical zoom lens and maintain the size, plus, the best yet, maintain the aperture. With typical zoom lens, when you zoom, the aperture will change, thus loosing light.

For those still not understand, basically, it's really a 41MP sensor capable of capturing 38MP photo (4:3) or 34MP photo (16:9).
What it does it, it provide oversampling for lower resolution.


Just imagine N8 is 12MP, if there is oversampling, it will be for lower resolution file, not 12MP.
But, on N8 or any other camera, when you choose lower resolution mode, does it have any oversampling? That is the difference.

In short, 808 is shooting at 38MP/34MP depending on what ratio chosen.
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this is why 808 PureView works in a different dimension compare to conventional camera technology out there
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Mar 1 2012, 12:46 PM)
so the pureview is a technologies renew and not platform selected... so we can expect it will be release for others platform in future, but same thing is would there be another same camera module be use... brows.gif
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since the major IP is in the co-processor of 808 PureView, moving to other platform is just a matter of making the target platform suitable and port over the interfaces

inclusion of camera sensor module of similar large size will depend on how market react to thicker phone size
if everyone don't like the phone to be thick then there's no option for larger sensor module
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Mar 1 2012, 12:54 PM)
If that is apple, they will say: "oh we invented this, we are the god of inventor.. blah blah blah~~~"
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did apple really said that themselves or the non tech savvy fans out there just went worshiping? hmm.gif
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post Mar 1 2012, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Mar 1 2012, 01:09 PM)
If you look back into history when SJ not died, he brainwashes his iSheep (fans) that a lots of "innovation" that iCopy that introduced is made by him. But the fact is Nokia or other handheld company invent it for the 1st place.

Lets c when iCopy going to say 41MP camera is belongs to them in future. Let's wait & see...  whistling.gif
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even if there's "true" innovation that comes out from that brand, it's not really made by him, it's his employees


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QUOTE(sklchan @ Mar 1 2012, 01:10 PM)
although it got transfer the pureview tech to others platform, but will the same 808 camera module follow that's the ultimate questionmark...  as it's not a cheapo module brows.gif  so i bet it will be like the N8 the 808 will be one of it's kind for it's camera module... so get it NOW or NEVER!!!  icon_idea.gif
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yes, totally agree!
for this price with that much stuffs inside

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post Mar 1 2012, 12:31 PM

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you can throw your worst at the CEO but please don't take down the awesome R&D team that makes 808 PureView possible
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post Mar 1 2012, 03:10 PM

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there are a few questions/requests for higher fps of video with lower resolution for slow motion but no response so far
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post Mar 1 2012, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Mar 1 2012, 04:56 PM)
lucky i still keep symbian shirt, still proud to wear it lol....
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this reminds me of the "Open At Your Own Risk" shirt i got from nokia too
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post Mar 1 2012, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(kae7 @ Mar 1 2012, 06:06 PM)
it is because in Malaysia , we got MFM/MSM who create the custom garmin maps for Malaysia[and others]

while for Nokia maps , there are a lot of POIs too .. but maybe not as good as created by MFM/MSM[got custom POI]
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haven't try nokia maps...does it have voice nav?
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post Mar 1 2012, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(kae7 @ Mar 1 2012, 06:15 PM)
of course yes... , just download the latest Maps , the latest voice navigation , and others , for free biggrin.gif !!
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QUOTE(emino @ Mar 1 2012, 06:20 PM)
They have the best, with multiple voice options. My favourite was Surfer Dude.
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but will see if the map for kuching here is sufficiently updated or not, else going back to garmin with MSM
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post Mar 2 2012, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Mar 2 2012, 02:31 AM)
Apparently Damian Dinning isn't too ease of this matter :

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from Damian and 808 PureView team

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but seriously if there's any problem just shoot it at Damian
they're still working on it before the final launch
otherwise would probably in later updates just like n8 continuous autofocus for video
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post Mar 2 2012, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Mar 2 2012, 04:30 PM)
Job --- ifag idol
Damian --- nokian idol?? whistling.gif
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at least Damian is taking feedback and input seriously
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post Mar 2 2012, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Mar 2 2012, 04:34 PM)
Prefer lens cover.looks pro
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just like n82 thumbup.gif
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post Mar 2 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 2 2012, 05:15 PM)
Been tweeting a lot to Damien but he seldom reply
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i tweeted him once and got replied
his tweeter account really is flooding
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post Mar 2 2012, 04:42 PM

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most people who had taken Digital Signal and Image Processing class in electronics engineering will roughly know what the PureView's oversampling, averaging, filtering etc. jargon are about.

other than that i can't comprehend why quite some E&E people can't understand this unless they're bad at this subject or pure fan/brand loyalty
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post Mar 2 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Mar 2 2012, 05:44 PM)
After this 808 model has been release, this is what i can see from people's reaction:

1) People who understand the concept of oversampling & digital imaging.

2) iSheep (fans) saying: oh this is crap, nothing is better than 4S photo(shop).

3) Andriod fans + Windows fans: y Nokia no porting 808 into their OS?

4) "End user" who doesn't know whats going on: Wow 41MP, lets buy it!!!

5) Programmers: Lets enhance the camera & bring out its potential.

6) the list goes on & on... feel free to add...
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i can see some of the 808s will fall into good hands on people who posted in this thread

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