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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V20, Saga FLX SE 1.6 Manual -> New God car??

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post Mar 22 2012, 10:37 AM

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Your choice la,好心。。。
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post Mar 26 2012, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Mar 24 2012, 09:07 PM)
Cover the whole area also fail?
During driving not so apparent due to road noise but when idling..really pening..
If one or two ok lar...if all, then die  doh.gif
Car can survive but passenger.... whistling.gif
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Bro, sorry to tell, you have to soundproof your rear floor until your rear boot... sweat.gif
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post Mar 26 2012, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Mar 25 2012, 03:06 PM)
just to round it up, FC depends on RPM. the higher the RPM goes when u pedal the fuel, the more it drinks. so even a tebo car if u drive at RPM 2.5k, it will still drink as much as a 1.3 saga at 2.5k (i doubt it goes for the same as kancil 660 lar~)  whistling.gif
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1.6 and 1.3 still have different even cruising @ same 2500rpm, dun forget the extra 0.3L, fill with what? Air only ah? of course need more fuel ma... doh.gif Unless it tuned for more leaner than 1.3 version, else the FC is still higher than 1.3 one...

For sport car, if the car have 6 or 8 pistons let say, it will definitely need more fuel @ same engine speed.

Easy theory, why FLX CVT RPM is alot lower than mine BLM MT, but it still consume around same FC @ highway? Dun forget @ 110km/h, CVT @ 2600rpm, while my MT need 3600rpm leh...

So, i agree if 1.6 have same or even better FC as 1.3 @ city drive, if @ highway @ same engine speed, NO.

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post Mar 26 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 26 2012, 01:11 PM)
The key is efficiency. Given the same load, which engine will handle the load most efficiently (least amount of fuel for max amount of energy generated)
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Not to mention others car or whatever engine, just for our Saga, 1.6 consumption will NOT better than 1.3, the most only same (i doubt so).

I know your @ equal RPM different consumption theory, just like 1.3 fetching 5 persons or only driver alone, of course for 5 persons sure FC is higher.

Thats why i only agree efficiency, YES. Consumption, NO.

I just want to highlight some misleading fact, some ppl tends to confuse between efficiency and consumption. If go for 1.6 for 'almost same amount of FC but get more powerful ride', this one i have no objection. But If go for 1.6 for 'better FC', they will gonna disappointed.


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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Mar 26 2012, 11:40 AM)
So you soundproofed yours and now no more fuel pump noise?  rclxms.gif
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Yup, not until i soundproof my rear boot.

Last time i take off rear seat and boot carpet for boot soundproof, after took off i drive for lunch, naked boot, the fuel pump noise is non-stop 'vi vi vi vi'...after done, the sound gone.

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post Mar 26 2012, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 26 2012, 01:50 PM)
That's why I said practically, you're probably right.

BTW, is 1.6 campro heavier? the difference is only the stroke length, the block is basically the same, no?

What did you use to silence your fuel pump?
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I assume they need longer conrod? Means heavier... hmm.gif

Rear boot and floor by
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My main purpose is for dampening last time, side effect, sound insulation too.

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post Mar 26 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 26 2012, 02:36 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif
Looks expensive, how much?
Saga thread ma, mostly will be about rattle sound, FC, drumbrake etc. etc. You guys do performance mod also seldom post here dry.gif.

Want something interesting ah? Who wanna organize konvoi to outstation? PD? Cameron Highlands? Melaka? Ipoh? etc. etc.
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53cm x 75cm (~2m square), STP around 100-120/pc...

Actually got alot of other brand, not necessary STP, Raahmat, Sika is cheaper...

Anyway, that fuel pump high pitch really that loud meh? Last time the thins annoy me is road noise and engine noise, fuel pump noise, what i remember is very minimal.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 27 2012, 02:12 AM)
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Bro, no need so difficult la, i just tell how i drive my manual BLM la...

I usually rev until 2.6-3k before i shift, to ensure after shift at least have 2k rpm.
You shift too low rpm is torqueless, end up waste more fuel.

Normal day working 50% city 50% highway FC not less than 12km/L, usually around 12-14km/L...pure highway drive, 16km+/L...

What i can tell you is Saga best FC rpm is around 2k~3.6k, tested both 90km/h (3000rpm) and 110km/h(3600rpm) for 500km+ pure highway drive, FC also around 16km/L.
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post Mar 27 2012, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 27 2012, 01:47 PM)
The key is the RPM, not the speed. Driving 60kmh at 2.6k rpm for 10 minutes on a level road, consumes the same amount of fuel as driving 110 kmh at 2.6k rpm for 10 minutes on a level road.

But if you are cruising then yes since cruising is matter of choosing the right balance of speed vs distance to maximise fuel efficiency,and few people cruise at 60kmh unless its very short distance.
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Not necessary based on RPM.

In practical, i expect CVT FC is alot better than MT FC due to low rpm of CVT can do, but end up nothing...

CVT 2.6k @ 110km/h and MT 3.6k @ 110km/h,
However at that speed dun forget about the wind drag,
the more faster you go, you need more fuel to compensate that drag,

If you drive your CVT @ 3000rpm (around or > 130km/h??), the fuel consumption might even higher than MT 110km/h @ 3600rpm,
this went back to the key point, EFFICIENCY again.
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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Mar 27 2012, 02:24 PM)
When I saw the spec sheet, I also thought CVT would save more fuel than MT but after seeing my friends car...it's the other way round  doh.gif

Senang cerita, 60km/h - 80km/h to save fuel  thumbup.gif
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Yup, thats ppl always said want good FC drive slow, but not drive low rpm, lol...

Want to speeding with decent FC, get higher power engine car.

Anyway, the gooding about low RPM for CVT is lower engine noise @ high speed, this one i love it. wub.gif
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post Mar 27 2012, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 27 2012, 05:35 PM)
Yes, I wasn't explain to myself originally. I thought of let you know I'm not going to wait for few weeks for the ECU to adapt. Instead, I can make my decision on my 2nd tong of minyak sawit  laugh.gif

Boss, you are the club head ar? Kalau join the club eh, what are the kangtau(s) eh? Normally where do you guys meetup besides of special occasion like konvoi, rally challenge, gymkhana. Got normal yumcha session ka?

Anyways, this is not my car, but he/she got the same spoiler as mine  laugh.gif  he/she's sumore got TRD wor!!!! ohmy.gif

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After seeing this, I definitely NEED to take it off ady.

Cheers,

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Bro, our Saga ECu not advance as others expensive car/ECU, it no need few weeks for that to adapt...i even doubt our ECU got learning function, even have, with minimal data collection only...dun expect you will feel the huge different just by ECU learning, it won't work.
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QUOTE(omara86 @ Mar 27 2012, 07:40 PM)
yup, agree with u, becoming the head of LYN thread doesnt hav to be the official member, not every1 hav the will to keep things alive like what TS did, Dares, there's no issue about u becoming the TS so dont get me wrong, i'm happy like the others...
1) the rev cut is at 6,900rpm... some see as 7k rpm, hehehehe...i drive my car like that since i got it 2 years back until now.. the rev cut is from ECU and yes, u can remove it but really unsafe bcoz our engine is lean running engine... operating temp is very hot.. as for the speed limit i'm not sure bcoz the fastest i ever go was 160km/h only since kuching dun hav good highway... in youtube i ever watch a 190km/h blm... camproturbo blm can go until 220km/h (alrdy close to gearbox limit) but cannot count bcoz alrdy using external engine management (bypass ori ECU)... personally i think our ECU dun hav speed cut, only rev cut..

2) thru my personal observation, i drive slow or fast, my FC stay at 9km/l - 10km/l unless i do heavy metal flooring for long duration, RM30 for 100km only.. FYI, very seldom to see me drive slow... so my FC cant be count since i'm not a FC type of person

3) in the video, my car still stock, using ori filter and air-duct... am not lying... i juz changed to open pod for around 2 months only, that also after i changed my exhaust manifold (bcoz after u enlarge the exhaust flow, intake flow also need to follow)...

have u watch the 10.5 sec video? that's my fav..

btw didnt know that ppl really take my vid seriously.. hehehe... thx very much..


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cant help on that since i'm driving manual, old blm summore, hehehe..
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blm rev cut not 6900, not 7000, but 7200...unless meter cheat me, well, probably...
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post Mar 28 2012, 07:58 AM

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out of topic a while..

this morning saw my colleague Exora Bold @ car park.

i saw her close the door but the engine still running, the fan was so loud...

Wanna ask Exora Bold got engine delay off function to cool down engine one ah? Since its Turbo....
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post Mar 28 2012, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 28 2012, 08:45 AM)
You mean turbo timer? nope, at least not stock.

Just a really loud fan  tongue.gif
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You means the fan will keep on when switch off engine?
What is the source? Using battery power?

I saw her close the door with remote and walk to office leh...

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Mar 28 2012, 10:35 AM)
ops din see u edited...

sometime after i turn off the engine the fan even kick in for 1 sec then off  laugh.gif
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Our Saga is 1s only, the Exora Bold is few minutes leh...can imagine the battery will die alot faster...
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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 28 2012, 12:33 PM)
Not neccesary COE, any SC should be able to help you. AFAIK, there is no speed cut, only rev cut. The FLX CVT rev cut is 6k RPM.
There are also Saga and Persona users who report the fan running for several minutes after switching off the engine, so it's definitely not limited just to Exora. Even my old Saga use to have the fan running for 1 minute or so after switching off. The Exora may run longer because it needs to cool the turbo as well.

EDIT: Here's a quick reference from wiki answers.
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post Mar 28 2012, 02:24 PM

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Pity Saga users, all ask for sound proof recently...imagine how damn bad for that...

Depends on what material you want to use,

Serious soundproof can cost you few thousand.

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 28 2012, 02:26 PM)
I tak tipu u la  unsure.gif
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Not say you tipu me la... blush.gif

Just i nv heard about or encounter this before ma, my car run very very hot, if i switch off engine when it just start to spin, the fan will off in few seconds only...
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QUOTE(judgeironfist @ Mar 28 2012, 02:30 PM)
no serious sound proof.the basic one will do.haha.
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The basic then you better dun touch...last time i thought like you, glue those insufflex in door, after that want play serious only regret, want to tear and clean it off, waste time and effort...

And basic soundproof =no soundproof, most placebo effect only.

Try to read the thread below la, this guy active in Cari forum, named 皇朝, his sifu is at Johor area, i bought material from his Sifu to DIY last time...my whole car done around 3k+...and consider 'CHEAP' adi...

How much do you know about sound proof?
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Mar 28 2012, 11:47 PM)
Please stop this. I'm getting my FC ass off this thread. Will that make everybody happy?

Thanks

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Aiya, nvm la, now TS is dares, not ericmaxman... whistling.gif


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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 29 2012, 12:16 AM)
Ini macam masa badawi jadi prime minister dulu.

mahatir step down, badawi naik jadi PM. Pastu Mahathir selalu celoteh banyak cakap badawi kerja tak bagus, tak buat kerja ikut cara mahatir.
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