sorry to dissapoint u dares but i'm not :-). No need to give out more info coz already available on the net. Just sharing thoughts,minds n ideas,like anyone else here.

ha..ha..fuel is another factor. There are 28 countries being targeted to market p3, n not only thai n malaysia. Some markets need euro 5 compliants to save up on running cost. Do u know what are euro 5 emmision engine n euro 5 fuel?

ha..ha..littlefire, prtn already supply u with euro4 engine compliance since gen2 onwards even still during that time n now malaysian is on euro step 2 regulations. Thats why many decats their campros to get extra power, but at a cost of emmision coz of the engine design using cat as main catalyst besides other things.

Yup, u still can extract more with decat iafm+ n cfe, but not suggesting that coz cvt still has its limits, unless u r ordering the manual one.

For iafm+ manual, maybe can used cps extractor without cat(aftermarket@r3) coz it used the same size n diameter exhaust system. This been mentioned by one of the engineer, but still not encourage it coz u r polluting the air too much. So,better stay as standard it is, n prtn are really taken things seriously especially on warranty. So, to be safe, standard is a better bet, as he said. Dunno true or not :-).

ah, forget to mention, on engine side, a common notes is that power to weight ratio is about 80hp++ pertonne, the higher,the better of course. So, if u calculate, almost all common cars have around that figure. But nowadays, the trend is focusing more on torque,rather than hp, unless for a sporty variant coz more hp means higher speed, but sometimes also higher fc.

Just sharing info that i learn n get from sources.

Erm, yup,have the money, go for premium coz u get many things with small fraction of price. If not, just go for manual executive unless u dont like manual. Just personal view coz still loving driving manual, coz power in ur own hand, easy to maintain(of course, in any car, manual is cheaper to maintain), but most importantly,its getrag, smooth n slick. Unless opt for premium,coz have tip n paddle shifter.

But sometimes, when cought in heavy traffic, then always thinking it is better having auto than manual, but u can have both in premium version.

So,it matters of preferance, but in manual, really needs to rev to extract the torque, but in cvt, just step the thottle, engine is almost at it best whichever rpm u choose. Hurm, tough choice is it for executive. But if using dated 4at, then i urge to buy the mt coz u know how big is the diff of performance when driving mitsu mt vs at. Try urself driving manual cps n auto cps exora,then u know what i mean.

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Added on March 16, 2012, 3:35 amone more to add, according to one of important man in design team, p3 look best in white coz all curve n slope will be visible. But still subjective. No wonder they put the white one in the box :-)

This post has been edited by mat79: Mar 16 2012, 03:35 AM

erm, by the way,i'm not powertrain engineer what soever, but beeing informed that, engine is not tune to fuel euro 1,2,3,4,5@6, but according to ron(octane rating). Some engines cant use low euro compliant fuel because it needs to have cleaner fuel to run,not because not being tune to that.

Any euro 5 engine can run using any euro compliance fuel, regardless euro 1,2,3,4,5@6, just the matter of tech n design like gdi is quite a sensitive engine especially for high sulphur content fuel n low octane rating fuel. Prince engine in malaysia, no matter the mpi or gdi version is euro 5, tsi also euro 5. But still can use euro 2 compliance oil. But if euro 2m is not available, vw wont bring their tsi here(yup tsi is euro 5 n 6 capable) coz their gdi need certain maximum sulphur that they can take inside their engine.

Engine management is tuning towards octane rating not fuel euro grade. U still need to know there are many carburator cars that non euro emmision compliance engine, still running well in our euro 2m fuel without any tuning, except to those who needs to run atleast ron97 need to retune to prevent from knocking.

Remember, before euro 2m fuel, malaysian fuel is non euro at all, so, what the hell happened to euro 2 compliance engine available here n bla..bla..bla.. N what happened to the cars that non euro compliance running on euro 2m fuel without any tuning in ems, without changing the catalizer n etc? Why they can run the compliance car with non compliance petrol previously n how currently they also can run non compliance car with compliance petrol?

The question is from me n the answer above is from the engineer, n he actual smile when i ask question about euro compliance fuel n euro compliance engine.

Questions are good, but sometimes questioning something beyond our capacity, yup, can google here, n google there, but u cant develop euro 5 compliance engine or car's engine just by googling or watching youtube or can we? :-). If can,just closed down all engineering course in uni n rnd. Ha...ha... Just joking coz sometimes i also questioning beyond my comprehension. And like people always talking about co2 output when talking about euro emission, but actually is not about co2, its about something else.

About wira,waja pedded dash, i believe that its already been banned by EPA by any new makes, so they used new one like rubbery type soft plastic or new pedded that used fabric,alcantara@leather than pvc, but thats quite expensive. So, many opt for hard, for cheaper alternative.

That why when old lancer mk1 vs lancer mk10, which one has soft material n which one doesnt. Same as civic ef, eg, ek vs civic es, fd, which one has better soft dash?

My conclusion is, people questioning that because it is a proton. Mr littlefire, have u been questioning all other makes about their euro compliance engine in malaysia like currently avanza engine which its power b torque being reduce due to euro 4 compliance? Why they mentioned euro 4 when malaysia jpj rules on emmision is euro 2 n our fuel is euro 2m, what the hell they are trying to do mentioning the engine is euro 4, reduce the output, why just not retain the euro 2 one coz u cannot use euro 4 engine compliance with euro 2 fuel, stupid japs engineer. Is that correct my statement? Ops forget the stupid das auto engineer, we want euro 2 tsi that supposed to have better power than europe version, but why u give us euro 5 engine, stupid german engineers. So,if that the case, then i rest my case :-).

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Added on March 16, 2012, 6:27 pmdun worry dares, u give fair review. N everybody need to see it, drive it to believe it. No need to believe it before u see n drive this baby.

By the way dares, maybe u can share a bit about ur rattling problems so that some of us in here can help in given out some sollution,if possiblelah. Even if it is a small@little prob, sometimes it takes longer times than big ones coz little things hard to find compare to little one. But who knows, in this forum, u can solve ur probs. No harm trying.

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Added on March 16, 2012, 6:34 pmah,for engine jerking in the morning, i dunno whether u do this or not, warm up the engine at least up to normal bar coz it seems like amt n dsg (clucth based coz even this one is cvt,but still clutch based)prob which need the oil of gbox to be warm up properly so that it can have a proper flow. Normally just need to do this in the morning only during cold start@ left the car for long time, maybe more than 24 hours without using it.

If already practised that,maybe need report for further investigation, if not, just try out to do that, look whether the morning jerk problem solved or not.

This post has been edited by mat79: Mar 16 2012, 06:34 PM

iafm+ n cfe is euro 5 compliance, n u already answer it. I never mentioned it will be euro 5 in malaysia. Also for other engine, i said compliance.if u insist to go for the older one, just go for it. Still having old iafm in persona. Saga fl, gen2 cps, n even exora cps dont we. But putting euro 5 compliance make it better for emmission than euro 4@ lower compliance. Just check the old iafm emmision in malaysia n iafm+ in fl vs flx emmision long time ago during press conference. Dont u want to promote cleaner engine? Or u oppose to that?

In indonesia, main fuel is ron 88. Hard to find ron 97 overthere n even 95. Dont u know that or u really dont know? Like i said earlier, u can google as much as u can, but thing is not simple as it is.

The reasons why cfe used mpi, rather than gdi, lazy to explain, just read lotus proactive magazines n i believe somebody already put the link before. N its been a long time in the mag(not that long but few month)

if u read back my previous comment, diff engine tech has diff needs, not every engine can easily been tune such as di. Iafm+ is not bad as what u think if compare to cps. If u can give a better engine, yup less top speed,better emmission, why not?

U just oppose the move by prtn, atleast the diff between iafm n iafm+ hp is negligence but with better torque, the same as cps, do u prefer usable power or power that can be used once a while? If u feel iafm+ is not enough, why not pick cfe version? Its not like u end up without any option.

Same case as avanza 1.3, neverheard people complain when it launch, only after few years, then people complain about underpower. But prtn exora, not launch yet, already been complain, same as p3. So, drive it to belive it,rite.

But if u look up the diff between old avanza n new avanza 1.5, they lost around 10nm of torque, but iafm+ give out 2nm more torque than old one, n both pursue given out better emmision control. Atleast with euro 5 engine, u give better emmision cntrl than euro 2 engine despite not achieve euro 5 in malaysia due to content.

Never seen u oppose other makes about their euro compliance engine. My question is why? :-). Is it everything beside prtn is divine?

Its like prtn given out 4 airbags for 75k, still people questioning why not 6, but if others given out only 2 airbags at 88k, even at 120k, no question ask. they can give u 6, but people are not willing to pay. Thats why i want p3 premium line to be priced 80k++ so that none will be ommited, but then, people keep shouted 80k is too much, shud be 70k, n even some asking for 40k. Wth???

If u want to critisize n even bash, be fair to all. If only p3, give u vanilla campro engine, dated 4at, 2 airbags n sell it for 90k, then u can shout about it.

For me, i did critic all, even prtn, but need to be fair n just. Is like comparing vios n saga. Better compare vios n persona. Yup, both have pro n cons, just vios has a bit edge over persona, but now, vios has new contender, executive line p3 n highest grade vios(maybe trd version) with premium line p3, outside malaysia.

Lets wait for profesional review from thailand n indonesia shall we.

But i think this arguments will go no where coz u will keep googling n googling until u become engineer himself, with ir from google :-).

i think i stop herefor this euro things topic. If u not satisfied, just suggesting u paid a visit to prtn rnd,pwrtrain division(engine, not trans) for further explanation about this euro thing,rather than googling.

Sorry if my words are harsh or offended anyone here. Peace yo :-).

no need evidence from google bro :-). Come n visit the real world bro. For the time being, we have lotus engineering n prtn engineering here. In comin future,dunno, better grab 1st hand info while u can get.

But if u r in japan n europe, u can also visit other makes pwrtrain division.

:-) ah, forget to mentioned, i think u shud send a letter first before get approval to visit any rnd coz u know,hanky panky secrecy of rnd.

Did i mentioned indo run on ron 88 as main fuel?(still cant recall when last time we had ron 88 in malaysia :-)) Need to wait till 2013 to wait for beettle to degrade to euro2 engine but tsi golf is already there, no need to wait. I believe tsi there also downgrade to euro 2 from euro 5, but then they did mentioned it give out better emmision in the same press conference, r the indons being conned or screwed by them? :-).

Ps, see whether uk spec gen2 used same cat spec or diff from malaysian spec..n even cps engine need to detune due to indo ron 88 oil. Dont u know tsi n latest one used high compression ratio?
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