Hi All,

Recently,find a suitable unit and the unit owner belongs to Bumiputra and i'm non Bumi,so what should i do to transfer it from bumi to non-bumi?

Heard that it's quite difficult and take time to do that right?any solution here?any tip can provide to me?

my friend was tried to buy bumi unit but end up lawyer failed to obtain transfer after few months.

may i know the reason they reject?then end up have to pay lawyer fees and cannot transfer the unit?am i taking a high risk to take bumi lot?bcs that unit quite suitable for me and desire to get it...

can wan meh?? I thought can't be done...

Yes, you still have to pay lawyer fees even when it fails.

But you can appeal again many times, it is very troublesome.

Maybe you can ask dariofoo in the lawyer thread.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2138486

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Feb 12 2012, 10:47 PM

fees still need to pay according, the reject i hear is transfer failed. she also no idea about it. so please think twice before purchase.

one word: don't.

yes, i agree... dont waste your time and money. lawyers will advice you can, there are many ways.... but, i've tried twice. although successful... very costly and in the end, the effort and money is not really worth it.

if bumi wants to buy non bumi lot can eh?easy?

Friend.. you are living in Malaysia... You should not ask this question... Think yourself, do you think there a a barrier for bumi to do that?

From what I hear from a lawyer who did my S&P recently, he (non bumi) has managed to purchase a bumi lot landed property. I believe there are ways to circumvent the constraint. It's matter of whether it is worth the time & money....

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Added on February 13, 2012, 10:30 amnever heard this is a problem. It's more of the other way round.

This post has been edited by kelvyn: Feb 13 2012, 10:30 AM

freehold - 70% can be done
leasehold- 0%

For freehold property, most of the case can be done.

For leasehold property, if the last owner hold the property < 5years, it almost impossible unless the owner have a good reason to sell the property, can try to appeal from land office for approval. If the last owner hold the property > 5 years, most of the case can be done.

it can be done but transfer takes long time...did that for a unit nearby KLCC

Walle
How long it took you to transfer?
What I heard from a lawyer it is easier to transfer leasehold with commercial title rather than leasehold with residential title.

It is super high risk to buy bumi lot

Depend which stae of land office la.

I have experience buying from Bumi (Is it called Bumi Lot?)

The property is landed Leasehold in Selangor state in 2009, successful after 1st appeal. But took me more than 6 months just to get the land office consent.

Guess you should get experience lawyer to do the appeal for you (The lawyer need to write a long story to convince the land office that the owner seriously and urgently need to sell off the unit and need to provide lots of document to prove it). But need to be patient lah. hopefully my experience will give you guys some indicator that you should expect reject for the 1st application, but chance is always there for your appeal.

I see, mind PM me your lawyer? I might need to use it as well.

You mean 1st application sure fail ? Then second application, sure successful ?

Your lawyer so 'keng chau' ? PM your lawyer to me.

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Apr 23 2012, 11:22 PM

Hi bro can you please PM me the lawyer to me. I have bought an unit bumi lot but now the land office have rejected it. Need some experts comment on this.

Regards


This post has been edited by matkewl: May 30 2012, 11:22 PM

Usually property with strata tittle more easy to transfer cause sometime the tittle there do not restrict to who own the property.

If is master tittle actually all you need to do is call the land office. Tell them you want change to non-bumi status. (This only applicable in Selangor as i tried).

Than you go meet them and fill some form. They (land office people) have meeting and see your application ok a not to convert to non-bumi.

If is okay than ok la. If no than no la.

Totally wrong advice.

There is no difference between strata title and proper subdivided title in terms of ease to convert.

If it is under master title, there is no way you can get conversion as the title has yet to be issued.

The approval for conversion doesn't come from land office people having meetings (perhaps a small part of procedure) but the ultimate approval has to come from MB.

Im wondering whether the developer will allow me to change my condo unit status from bumi-lot to non-bumi-lot since the condo is still under master title (freehold).

Im willing to 'refund' the 7% discount I got when I bought the unit to the developer if it's the requirement. I need to dispose the unit but I am not able to get a bumi purchaser, but there are a few non-bumi buyers who are interested to purchase the unit.

But my concern is that the developer may not give consent to this conversion since it had fulfilled the bumi quota required by dbkl/pejabat tanah wilayah.

This post has been edited by Stamp: May 31 2012, 11:02 AM

I know a close friend told me like this.

"master tittle", use this method to convert. Actually done it.

Unless of course he bomb me la.

This post has been edited by Alvinyeo: May 31 2012, 01:03 PM

Very simple. how can you convert something that has yet to have a title?

What he told me say give letter approval to developer to continue to transfer tittle.

Since I have yet to seen it before, I won't comment that there is no such thing. But yet logically, I would believe that it is impossible to convert something that has yet to have a title as land office has no number for it yet. How do they classify the lot?

This i don't know. Either the lot now is bumi or non-bumi i also not sure.

But what i know he successful transfer his name into that bumi lot. Without strata tittle.

master title has no individual name registered, other than deed of assignment and name being recorded by developer

last time i also think of buying bumi lot, but many people advice me dun do so due to too many problem tat we cant see can suddently come out

Something like that ...
Check things first and do consider/distinguish (for example, is the price worth you to take the risk(s), opportunity cost, time cost), buy carefully ...

Mine one convert successful... but dont PM me ask how la.

Strata tittle ?

From Master to Strata.

What i mean is when you convert that time is under master or strata ?

I am interested to know more as well.

can, go land office apply. pay some premium and wait 6 months or 1 year for datuk bandar to approve.

If you know any politic exco, they can help u approve out fast.

I'm planning to buy a land but after i search found alot also bumi lot
as i know bumi lot very very difficult to change name... haiz...

Saw it done before by my friend.....but the whole process damn lengthy....

Bro, Mind to PM me your lawyer office and contacts? need some help here...

Will PM you

This post has been edited by Yamy: Aug 24 2013, 10:03 AM

wish to clarify
1. does there any laywer fees for the process of converting bumi to non-bumi?
2. if yes, does the fees is pay by house owner or buyer ?
3. will there any extra premium / penalty that will be incurred on the converting process ?
4. if yes, does the fees is pay by house owner or buyer ?

It depends you are buyer or seller.

1. Normally seller have to appoint a lawyer to write the letter to request to transfer from Bumi to Non Bumi, seller can do himself also.
2. Seller bear the cost of request to transfer to land office.
3. Not sure what you mean extra premium, normally no.

For my case, took 6 months to complete whole process as the seller does not have bank loan. Else will be longer. And it also depends on your luck even lawyer is efficient. My next two door house not able to sell to non bumi even few non bumi buyer has tried before. But me and my next door neighbor managed to get consent from land office

i am a buyer.
i read there is need to be mutual agreement between the buyer and seller to determine who is going to bear the cost of transfer

http://kopisechawan.wordpress.com/2011/11/...-to-a-non-bumi/

is it true ?

Cost of Transfer and request to transfer is diff.

Cost of Transfer mean once you obtain the consent from land office, then lawyer will submit the docs to transfer the title from seller name to buyer name which buyer have to bear all the cost.

To send letter to land office to get consent of transfer is seller's responsibility.

Meaning the possibility is there or that the lawyer con for fees?

Hi guys,

I'm a bumi owning a house in Selayang Point Condo. This is freehold owned more than 5 years. I'm selling my house, but I don't know if my unit is bumi lot or not. The management has no idea and the developer refuse to entertain. How do I confirm this?

Anyone able to help would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Title at the column "Sekatan-sekatan" will tell u.

I would say, if the buyer is buying at bumi price, then he need to pay for the transfer.
If the seller want to sell at non-bumi price because he think he can convert to non bumi, then he pay for the cost.

But really very complicate, so in the event cannot be done after appeal and few months, what happen to the earnest deposits/ booking fee?
really need to discuss between both seller and buyer.

Booking fees = property agent don't pay back, (that's why never sell your property through agent)

Deposit = seller pay back buyer (10%) if not successful

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Nov 2 2013, 10:19 AM

http://bumilot.blogspot.com/

http://bumilot.blogspot.com/

Link is not working. I wish to know more too particularly for state of Selangor.
How long does the process take?

Link is not working.

Why u go bump old thread

can be done, but makan masa yang amat panjang sampai leher anda meleleh.

it's all about the money????
got $$$, got lobang.. got fast approval??

Because i want to cari lobang related to bumi-lot....

Found those old threads, some say can some say can't.
PropertyGuru.

Some Lawyer Said but i don;t understand the clause too ...

Can be done but no guarantee of success.

I had few cases where the owners are borderline bankrupt but the relevant bodies don't not allow the transfer of the property even after appealing x2 and show relevant paperwork and etc.

Best to avoid such property all together. 1 year just for paperwork ain't worth it.

Maybe ts found kang tao and dai dai want lol.
But yes, it's gonna take very long time and follow up until don't want to follow up anymore..

So basically, if the bumi owner have financial problem, the unit is under lelong or not, it have a chance to transfer?
If the transfer not success? Is there a refund of downpayment and installment during the progress?