Hi Podrunner,

With TS Isat 170 and ATAR scores of 99 -- what's your assessment of his/her probability of gaining direct entry to Oz medicines ?

Hello podrunner again.

I studied in a college in Western Australia. We did not have a career guidance counsellor. However at my college, I did seek help from a teacher who was the Director of Teaching and Learning. The teacher also did make some phone calls on my behalf to enquire to the select few universities in order to find which piece of information I received at the time was apparently true.

ConfusedK

I am no expert, but I think TS will stand a chance at UTAS, if they are happy with ISAT scores.

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Added on February 12, 2012, 1:35 pmThat is unfortunate. Actually all the requirements are stated in the respective uni's international students section.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Feb 12 2012, 01:35 PM

Hello zstan.

My thoughts exactly! Still, I have this dire need to spend 3 years finishing the clinical phase of my medical program overseas whether or not it is in Australia. I really want a significant overseas clinical exposure. Hence why I slightly favour the IMU PMS program although there is a certainty with Sunway Monash University program being recognised by the AMC. Thank you for your opinion. Do you have any other thoughts regarding my predicament?

ConfusedK

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Added on February 12, 2012, 1:42 pmHello podrunner again.

I agree but such is life. Hence why currently I am trying to make the best of my situation and decide which university I should choose.

ConfusedK

This post has been edited by ConfusedK: Feb 12 2012, 01:42 PM

I pity that you got wrong advice given verbally. Limeuu had indicated that if you are in the top 20% of Imu, you will probably get your pms choice. You should also note that some of the graduates from sunway Monash manage to secure internships in oz despite the fact that the degree has yet to be given recognition. But going fwd, a lot of things change and you need to adapt however fair or unfair it is.

the exact choices was faced by a relative 4 years ago.....and the final decision was imu-pms, as the doubts about monash sunway were not resolvable at that time, as there was then only 3 batches....

the 2nd batch just graduated, many did find housemanship placements, mostly in regional victoria....as victoria's housemanship bottleneck gets worse, this will likely change.....

however, the same issue will face people who graduate onshore in oz through imu-pms, as well as direct entry.....but being onshore will likely place them at a slight advantage....

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Added on February 12, 2012, 1:57 pmthe exact isat score is not normally used, as it will vary from year to year, but the percentile is what the unis want.....

a score of 170 will translate to i think 60-70%, which is too low for most unis....

however, different unis view the isat with different weightage.....utas uses it completely to make offers, monash clayton uses it to short list interviews, and monash sunway completely disregards the result, taking in people in the last quartile......

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Added on February 12, 2012, 1:59 pmthat is incorrect.....amc has recognised the monash sunway mbbs since 2009.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 12 2012, 02:08 PM

Hello cckkpr again.

I appreciate your sympathies. Regarding Limeuu's advice, I think it is a matter of confidence and control for me. How much am I willing to put my future studies in some one else's hands? I agree with your sentiments about moving forward. I just have to consider people's opinions however the decision is entirely up to me. Thank you for the feedback. If you want to further comment about which program you think is better, please do as every opinion counts.

ConfusedK

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Added on February 12, 2012, 2:11 pmHello limeuu again.

So are you stating that your relative only chose the IMU PMS program because it had more cohorts of graduates rather than because of the program's merits? Regarding housemanship placing, I understand that it will get even harder to obtain an place in Australia as the situation changes. Thank you for your opinion about on shore graduates who stand a greater chance that offshore graduates. About applying to a university in Austalia from undergrad medicine, I think I have almost washed my hands off that idea. I just need to decide which of the two offers I have now is most suitable for me. So please don't hesitate to let me know more pros and cons about the IMU PMS program or the Sunway Monash University program.

ConfusedK


This post has been edited by ConfusedK: Feb 12 2012, 02:11 PM

So you have no interest in calling up UTas then? No harn doing that. Uni Adelaide was giving out offers as late as last wed, so you never know.

Hello everyone again.

Here are some of my other concerns regarding both the IMU PMS program and the Sunway Monash University program:

- Accommodations locally as I plan to stay either in a Type B, Room 1 which is a single ensuite near IMU or a single ensuite in the Sunway Monash Residence depending on which program I choose.

- How the timetable is for each program as I prefer a more structured, organised program.

- The type of environment at which I will be exposed to locally while studying as I prefer a less chaotic environment.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding my other concerns?

ConfusedK

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Added on February 12, 2012, 2:24 pmHello podrunner again.

I really need to check with mum. I'll let you know by tonight. Mum seems to have more faith than me that a miracle will happen, somehow.

ConfusedK

This post has been edited by ConfusedK: Feb 12 2012, 02:24 PM

In that case Monash sunway would be a better choice as the timetable are pretty much organised.. unlike IMU where there's only 2 hour lectures per day...of course this doesn't include PBL sessions but you get the idea.

Mother's instincts are not to be lightly taken!

Begins with the end in mind.

The end is : to work as a doctor in Oz.

Now, to work in Oz ... any jobs for that matter... employer gives priority to pr ..... avoiding the mafan hassles of sponsoring

non-pr to work with them...... even on-shore non-pr who has completed minimum 2 years studies in Oz universities faces

tremendous uncertainty and anxiety.... IF they ever get through to eventually work in Oz.

"Competent authourity pathway" not withstanding for UK/Irish/Canadian/US medical graduates.

Oz medical graduates enjoys 'tremendous' advantage (Sorry Limeuu ) over UK/Irish/Canadian/US medical graduates in obtaining

work in Oz, so in a way,Pr'ship generally makes or breaks one's dream of working in Oz... not so much of super excellent

academic results.

Now,for Monash Msia students -- in the eyes of the Oz Immigration authourity.... one is not considered as Oz graduates ,

neither are you considered UK/Irish/Canadian/US graduates, so your chances of working in Oz is ......... ???

In your context , Imu Pms is the way to go.

Direct entry to Oz and UK medicines , given yoiur results, are additional options you have.(As far as tuition fees are concerned ,

direct entry UK is generally lower than Imu-pms , and Imu-pms-Oz in turn is even lower than direct entry Oz.)

For those who can't afford Imu Pms and wanting to work in Oz ...... Monash Msia is the only 'hope' one has.

Just my 2 cents .....

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Should working in Oz is not possible for whatever reasons ..... you can fall back on Songapore . The 'guriella' Spore MOHH will

probably be hunting for your head in Oz literally --- if you are studying final year in Oz U's recognised by smc.

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Added on February 12, 2012, 2:48 pmIf your 'dream' is to work in Oz ...... don't get this distractions into you.

This post has been edited by zeng: Feb 12 2012, 03:05 PM

Hello zstan again.

That's what I've been told too. I think I would definetely prefer the structure of the Sunway Monash University timetable. Do you have any thoughts regarding the other two of my concerns?

ConfusedK

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Added on February 12, 2012, 2:52 pmSo I have been told, podrunner!

ConfusedK

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Added on February 12, 2012, 3:05 pmHello zeng again.

You are absolutely right by stating that I should look at the end results of where I want to work once I graduate and find the easiest pathway to achieve it! Looking at the big picture would serve me better than knit picking on the minute details. I will research more though regarding this 'Competent Authority Pathway' as if I choose the IMU PMS program, I have greater chance of being matched with an UK university as there are more UK partner universities. As I mentioned before, I can afford either of the programs. To me, it is just a matter of weighing up the pros and cons of the programs and deciding which con is less important than the others. Thank you for your 2 cents worth as it it much valued.

ConfusedK

This post has been edited by ConfusedK: Feb 12 2012, 03:05 PM

international oz medical graduates are NOT pr's....so what advantage do they have?.....

they may actually be disadvantaged more, as they can ONLY do housemanship, which they may no get placements.....whereas uk graduates will already have finished their fy1, and can apply for any jobs.....

For accomodation wise, Sunway would also be a better place as there are many many houses and hostels ranging from different price range to cater to your needs.

And the chaotic environment... i don't really understand what you meant though..

If financing is not of concern and you want insurance (which cost you money) ---- you can

1 )Enrol into Monash Msia now ..... while keeping the Imu-pms offer by committing deposit requested...( or reapply Imu-pms if you don't want to pay deposits now ) ......

2 )When comes aug/sept '12 -- then decides whether to continue Monash Msia OR to take up Imu-pms, if offer is still valid.

3 )Meanwhile, explore applying Oz Feb '2012 intake or UK Sept 2013 intakes.

That buys you plenty of time ...... to decide your final pathway.....

Note :The 7 year senior who was disappointed with failure to get Oz internships ...... is happily working professionally in Singapore .... with assured pathway of doing post graduate training...... through resindency programme ..... which are shorter in duration compared to traditional pathway. In Malaysia , omg.....................

Hello zstan again.

As mentioned before, the accomodation I am considering specifically is the Sunway Monash Residence where the type of room I want will be in a unit with 4 other people in comparison to the IMU accomodation that I am also considering will only have 2 other poeple in 1 unit. That is a con for Monash but I don't think it is of huge significance in my decision making process. As for a chaotic environment, I assumed that it would be much easier to get lost in the shuffle in Sunway as it is hub for other youngsters too. IMU seems to be located in a much more secluded area and appears to have less happening places surrounding it. Hence, making it more condusive for studying. What are your thoughts on this?

ConfusedK

Hmm i don't see what con are you referring too. You will still have a room to yourself if you are staying at Monash residence. Just that you have to share toilets. Otherwise you'd have full privacy.

Again, that depends on your friends and how discipline are you. There are many people that have went the wrong way, and the right way in both IMU & Sunway. It's all about check and balances. For conducive studying i would certainly say Monash has a better environment considering it has a bigger library, has a bigger campus whereby study tables are located almost everywhere should you prefer NOT to study in a library. In IMU you have to squeeze with everybody.

Hello zeng again.

Those were my initial thoughts too. Mum did contact Monash Malaysia to enquire of that possibility. However, the staff mentioned that due to the fact that lots of people are on the waiting list for the February intake this year, Monash wants all students to pay a full semester's worth of tuition. I cannot afford to waste that much of money while thinking of which university to chose. So, this suggestion is out of the option for me. The Monash offer expires in a few days while the IMU offer expires in March. Point 3 is something I will consider and check with mum. Ever since the mention of this Competent Authority Pathway, I am feeling more confident about being able to accept being matched to a university in the UK if I chose the IMU PMS program and still be able to possibly end up working in Australia. Any other suggestions about my predicament?

ConfusedK

Yes, agreed if one can't get 8.0 in all four components of IELTS.

Internships.... that is the uncertainty currently.

In the current context of ConfusedK, Imu-pms is >>>>> Monash Msia.

In Imu-pms programmes , all non-Oz unis are under countries eligible for 'competent authourity pathway', no?

Correct me if this is wrong.