Hi ConfusedK,

Do you have the money to fund your studies without taking much loan? PMS option can cost a lot more money than Monash Sunway option..

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Added on February 12, 2012, 10:05 amBtw if you plan to work in Australia after graduation, better to take IMU-PMS option.

My relative has the same offers as you. But she has an overseas offer n it makes her decision easier for overseas. Didn't you make any Ucas appln or you wanted oz. if you are good, you are almost assured is pms but may not be your preferred choice. Monash do have a 3 months stint in oz n it would be half a year faster of you opt for it compared with Imu.

NO guarantees for internship placements in Australia, after graduation. This should be a Caveat to all intending to do medicine in Australia. Please do not mislead.

If you are going to practise in Malaysia ONLY, then go for Monash Msia -- because it costs less and more relevant local training. However do get prepared for facing the glut, and generally 'poor' prospect in Msian practice, among which includes 'very slim hope' post grad training from local public U's  -- assuming your skin colour is the same as mine !

At your age, the three most important things are :  options, options and options.

Go for Imu-Pms to ensure you HAVE options in Life.

UMAT? Do you have Australian PR?

Which unis did you apply to? Not ALL unis offering MBBS require you to do UMAT. For international students, ONLY UNSW require you to do UMAT. The others will accept ISAT for undergraduate courses. Did you apply to Monash Clayton, UWS, and UTas? How were you advised to have missed out on applying to the aforementioned unis? Uni Adelaide only require that you sit for their uni' PQA.

Try calling up UTas on Tuesday (public holiday in Tas tmrw) and ask if they will consider you this year. I know someone who has given up a place there. What was your ISAT and ATAR, by the way.

Confusedk - do take note that :

Singapore Medical Council recognises UNSW;Monash Clayton;U Tas and U Ade.

U Western Sydney and Monash Msia is NOT recognised by smc.

I understand your predicament. UNLESS you specifically told your adviser that you wanted to only apply to UNSW undergrad,  then yes, UMAT is compulsory. You could have applied to the rest, via UAC, VTAC and to UTas direct. PQA is U Adelaide's own assessment, something like the ISAT. Please PM me if you need further information. We just went thru the whole process, my son did VCE in Melbourne last year.

there are a lot of wrong information here given....

1. monash sunway mbbs is NOT the same as the original one from melbourne, and is view different by several authorities, including gmc and smc.....

2. while monash sunway mbbs is recognised by amc, that does NOT mean you can work in oz.....

3. housemanship placement is decided by individual states (probably will become centralised in future) and with current shortages, internationals will face probability of no placements.....

4. the right to work in oz is decided by diac.....ie being eligible to apply for one of the several visas available....being an off-shore student means some categories of visas are NOT available.....

5. there is a 'competent authority' pathway for uk graduates to obtain registration and work in oz....this does not involve housemanship, so sidestep the housemanship bottleneck......and in the initial stages of applications, does not need a firm job offer in oz....whether this pathway will remain open in 5-6 years time is debatable.....there may no longer be shortage of doctors in oz by then.....

May I know where you did yr 11 and yr 12? I understand all schools in Aus have career guidance counselors.

Comparing both options and your desire to work at Australia, The Monash programme looks like a safer bet to me. But like what podrunner mentioned, there will be no guarantees of a place at the hospitals there. But at least you could skip the AMC part with Monash's degree.

I am no expert, but I think TS will stand a chance at UTAS, if they are happy with ISAT scores.

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Added on February 12, 2012, 1:35 pm

That is unfortunate. Actually all the requirements are stated in the respective uni's international students section.

I pity that you got wrong advice given verbally. Limeuu had indicated that if you are in the top 20% of Imu, you will probably get your pms choice. You should also note that some of the graduates from sunway Monash manage to secure internships in oz despite the fact that the degree has yet to be given recognition. But going fwd, a lot of things change and you need to adapt however fair or unfair it is.

the exact choices was faced by a relative 4 years ago.....and the final decision was imu-pms, as the doubts about monash sunway were not resolvable at that time, as there was then only 3 batches....

the 2nd batch just graduated, many did find housemanship placements, mostly in regional victoria....as victoria's housemanship bottleneck gets worse, this will likely change.....

however, the same issue will face people who graduate onshore in oz through imu-pms, as well as direct entry.....but being onshore will likely place them at a slight advantage....

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Added on February 12, 2012, 1:57 pmthe exact isat score is not normally used, as it will vary from year to year, but the percentile is what the unis want.....

a score of 170 will translate to i think 60-70%, which is too low for most unis....

however, different unis view the isat with different weightage.....utas use it completely to make offers, monash clayton use it to short list interviews, and monash sunway completely disregard the result, taking in people in the last quartile......

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Added on February 12, 2012, 1:59 pm
that is incorrect.....amc has recognised the monash sunway mbbs since 2009.....

So you have no interest in calling up UTas then? No harn doing that. Uni Adelaide was giving out offers as late as last wed, so you never know.

In that case Monash sunway would be a better choice as the timetable are pretty much organised.. unlike IMU where there's only 2 hour lectures per day...of course this doesn't include PBL sessions but you get the idea.

Mother's instincts are not to be lightly taken!

Begins with the end in mind.

The end is : to work as a doctor in Oz.

Now, to work in Oz ... any jobs for that matter... employer gives priority to pr ..... avoiding the mafan hassles of sponsoring

non-pr to work with them...... even on-shore non-pr who has completed minimum 2 years studies in Oz universities faces

tremendous uncertainty and anxiety.... IF they ever get through to eventually work in Oz.

"Competent authourity pathway" not withstanding for UK/Irish/Canadian/US medical graduates.

Oz medical graduates enjoys 'tremendous' advantage (Sorry Limeuu ) over UK/Irish/Canadian/US medical graduates in obtaining

work in Oz, so in a way,Pr'ship generally makes or breaks one's dream of working in Oz... not so much of super  excellent

academic results.

Now,for Monash Msia students -- in the eyes of the Oz Immigration authourity.... one is not considered as Oz graduates ,

neither are you considered UK/Irish/Canadian/US graduates, so your chances of working in Oz is ......... ???

In your context , Imu Pms is the way to go.

Direct entry to Oz and UK medicines , given yoiur results, are additional options you have.

For those who can't afford Imu Pms and wanting to work in Oz ...... Monash Msia is the only 'hope' one has.

Just my 2 cents .....

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Added on February 12, 2012, 2:48 pm

If your 'dream' is to work in Oz ...... don't get this distractions into you.

For accomodation wise, Sunway would also be a better place as there are many many houses and hostels ranging from different price range to cater to your needs.

And the chaotic environment... i don't really understand what you meant though..

If financing is not of concern and you want insurance (which cost you money) ---- you can

1 )Enrol into Monash Msia now ..... while keeping the Imu-pms offer by committing deposit requested...( or reapply Imu-pms if you don't  want to pay deposits  now ) ......

2 )When comes aug/sept '12 -- then decides whether to continue Monash Msia OR to take up Imu-pms, if offer is still valid.

3 )Meanwhile, explore applying Oz Feb '2012 intake or UK Sept 2013 intakes.

That buys you plenty of time ...... to decide your final pathway.....

Note :The 7 year senior who was disappointed with failure to get Oz internships ...... is happily working  professionally in Singapore .... with assured pathway of doing post graduate training...... through resindency programme ..... which are shorter in duration compared to traditional pathway. In Malaysia , omg.....................

Hmm i don't see what con are you referring too. You will still have a room to yourself if you are staying at Monash residence. Just that you have to share toilets. Otherwise you'd have full privacy.

Again, that depends on your friends and how discipline are you. There are many people that have went the wrong way, and the right way in both IMU & Sunway.  It's all about check and balances. For conducive studying i would certainly say Monash has a better environment considering it has a bigger library, has a bigger campus whereby study tables are located almost everywhere should you prefer NOT to study in a library. In IMU you have to squeeze with everybody.

ConfusedK, are you from the peninsula states or east Malaysia? I noted your " chaotic environment" comment.

Check the census date for Monash Sunway. Monash Clayton's census date is 31 March 2012. Essentially it means that if you withdraw from the Uni before census date, you will be able to recoup most of your fees. Am not sure if Monash Sunway has the same condition.

If opting for Monash residence, ask for those with locals sharing as foreign students tend to be more playful and noisy. There are more than enough places for conducive studying.

I can tell you more cons of IMU than pros since i rejected them to join Monash. Anyway, try to find some time to visit both campuses by yourself to get a better view.

here are some pictures of Monash if you are interested:

Hope you make the best out of it. Cheers!