Then u will get shot on the spot..

This post has been edited by ZenGTMM: Feb 15 2012, 10:24 AM

his name is Jack Yap, not Jacky Ap

then he can take my palm and kidney to sell, bear palm delicious kidney nutritious yo

this bear palm dunno touch where before...

Whatever that ppl attested to performance gain, there are generally 4 types of filters material, paper/Fiber (stock), foam, gauze and cotton and finally steel mesh filters.

Of these lots, steel mesh are actually the first type of filters used since the 60s and abandoned....why abandoned by car manufacturer, cause the filteration levels are extremely bad, letting lots of contaminants thru, performance increased initially due to massive amt of air going thru (oiled or not) but in long term, performance will drop drastically due to dirty throttle, etc. Not worth the dime.

Foam and Gauze have abt same filteration levels, both much worse than stock paper. Performance wise, gauze/cotton, gives the best performance while foam
is only slightly better than stock.

So conclusion is the basically the poorer flowing filters, remove more particles and the better flowing filters remove less particles fact. In actual fact a good stock paper filter does not inhibit flow as much as you think. Based on Bob the Oil Guy testing, the best gauze filter (K&N) produce a "WHOOPING" 0.14% better air flow than stock paper. For a high performance engine going on high speed, this percentage makes a bigger and noticable difference but for our standard street car (ie. PE), I really don't know if you can REALLY feel the 0.14% increase in airflow performance or not.

Based on this basic knowledge, I forgo changing any performance drop in filters for any of my cars unless I get myself those GTR-level rides. My priority is the best maintained engine for long lasting performance, so drop in filters is never an option for me.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Feb 15 2012, 10:34 AM

perfectly clean, only touched self body

that means the advertisement saying better filtering for drop in filters is fake de

just playing water leh, your mind ha, so dirty

Use common sense lar, how can something the let MORE air thru has better filteration than one that inhibits air flow. Yes, for me, thats bullshit. Better performance mentioned, ok, accepted but better filteration...actual testing usually proved otherwise no matter what they claimed.

monkey got so much knowledge i also thought the same way at first, but i thought they used somekind of new technology to improved it already

Knowledge is all out there. Only you doesn't know how to seek it. Always stayed confined in here, hitting your own dipstick.

Yalor....if you want knowledge xandras and zen has much much much higher knowledge on automobiles than me and most of us but sometimes we do have specific info that they don't, forgotten or never bothered. I'm interested in drop in last time and engine oil difference, so spend months surfing the webs, asking sifus just for those confined field of info. Other than that, totally zil on other knowledge. Thats why I'm basically a noob in engine mod like LCP coz no interest earlier.

My Cities has good amt of low-mid end torque, so never needed LCP improvement. Unfortunately PE might require that.

wah lau....so I wasted money on the Works filter then....

Some get works filters coz it might save money.....no need to ever change filter again (save cost lor). But for me, that is negated by 2 things, lesser filteration (dirtier engine later) and most importantly, I rather spend a bit of cash to change fresh and clean stock filter than taking out and have to personally wash the filter every 5 to 10K mileage. I'm too lazy to even wash car myself, think I want to go open bonnet, wash filter, wait for it to dry, than put back....too time consuming and personally less clean than a fresh stock paper filter.

Mm....a question for Zen.

Is edge sport considered a racing oil? If it is, I would not recommend it for everyday drive. Racing lube has high anti-wear (bad for catcon but very good for engine) and a lot less detergent. It was meant for very frequent oil change thus no need to clean engine and gives the best protection for engine for the short period of time. Very bad for engine in the end if use for over 3K-5K or more mileage coz no engine cleaning..

This post has been edited by Cavino: Feb 15 2012, 11:35 AM

Not exactly.. Some times it depends on the filters too.. Like for OEM PE filters, u can feel the huge difference in engine power when u are driving during hot afternoons.. With Works there is like near to zero penalty on power, but if u use the OEM filters u will feel the engine is like very heavy..
And since paper filters basically lose the efficiency drastically after like every 5-8k km depending on environment, u will experience higher FC, lower power.. So the amount on long term is that a drop in like works do give better savings in the future.. When i first got my car i was staying in subang.. And after 6k km my filter became deformed and was very black due to road dust and traffic jams.. So if i were to change my filter every 10k km.. I would have spend more money on OEM filters compared to reusable drop in.. And factoring the effects of increased power and lower FC.. u get more in return..

Okok only lah.. Im still learning.. Need to ask drex become my sifu..

Nope.. If u want to know whats the difference between ur current works and OEM filters, just put back the ori filter and drive around for 1 tank.. then monitor the power and mileage also..

do the drop need need to wash with some chemical? or just plain water

Obviously the most happiest man! The first to response also..

All mau suap to his mouth.. Somemore need to persuade to chew..

Nope.. They just add the sport word only.. Its has a lower winter grade 0W-40 and a slightly thinner oil at engine operating temp compared to edge 5W-40.. Other than that specs wise there is not much difference.. But so far that oil performs similar to AMSoil eventhough AMS is 5W-30 compared to 0W-40 for Edge Sport.. I dont feel much improvements except slightly better low end pickup and better FC..

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Added on February 15, 2012, 12:06 pmFor works plain water will do.. Running water from a tap is the best.. No need oiling kit..

This post has been edited by ZenGTMM: Feb 15 2012, 12:06 PM

I can attest to that.

17 yo, mommy bought brand new Persona for him and still complain summore, what do you expect?
When I got my license have to curi curi drive my family's Wira.

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 15 2012, 12:40 PM

the bear so lucky one, he should end-up like my friend who his daddy bought him lancer GT and all maintenance are on the family.
rich kids now-days

i drove saga for 1 month + only got the car leh

xda wang nak beli GT

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Added on February 15, 2012, 1:26 pmok serious, just nw i go vroom vroom with myvi, then when i rev, my engine got wind blowing sound ?? is it normal dey?

This post has been edited by VincentChen: Feb 15 2012, 01:26 PM