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 Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Final - 26 Feb 11.55pm

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post Feb 10 2012, 08:07 AM

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Last 14 form chart and projected finish


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post Feb 10 2012, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(xMika @ Feb 10 2012, 11:19 AM)
I don't get this chart. Can anyone explain it ? What change and played ?
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Should be played 14, not 6. There are 14 matches to go.
The change is the projected poits we get from thoise matches
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post Feb 12 2012, 09:30 AM

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Whatta low down hole that Evra is.......If you didnt see this, you would have thought Luis refused the handshake.
It was Evra refusing first! Clear as daylight from these stills!
Confirms what a low down hole the person is! vmad.gif

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post Feb 12 2012, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Feb 12 2012, 09:32 AM)
LOL...yeah EVRA refuse to shake hand with SUarez and then Evra goes to grab Suarez arm to shake with him? Pls think first b4 u post  doh.gif
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Go back to yer hole.....silly dirtbag. What are you doing here?

The pics proves that Luis tried to shake Evra's hand but the latter pull away first and the
tries to show that he was trying to shake and cause more problem.

Hes a trouble maker as evidenced from his now silly celebrations at the end of the match

Go back to yer hole.....silly dirtbag.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 12 2012, 09:37 AM)
Well Einstein, consider this. Neither player likes the other. You walk up to your 'enemy' with your hand extended and see him drop his. What do you do? Stop, and kiss him a kiss on the cheek? I would actually provide more insight if I thought you were smarter than a doorstop.
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Hes probably as smart as the Loonie guy who would do a granny! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Feb 12 2012, 09:45 AM)
haha.. nice one..

one word for u, DELUSION..

Evra might be the ****, but u dont have to defend Suarez on this particular incident..
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Another one from the hole..........
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post Feb 12 2012, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 12 2012, 03:01 PM)
Some idiots just like to jump to conclusions rolleyes.gif

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See what that pooh bin Evra tried to do to Luis at 21 secs into the match....clattered poor Ferdinand instead! biggrin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Oed8OT4vw

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post Feb 13 2012, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(Adryan @ Feb 13 2012, 12:16 AM)
Can't believe Suarez and Kenny had to apologise for yesterday. I feel those apologies were enforced. You never see Ferguson apologising for refusing to talk to BBC for awhile or for insulting "typical Germans" in the past.

The least United could do is Ferguson apologise for calling Suarez a disgrace and Evra for his actions at the final whistle. But no, f***ing typical.

Some fans in Liverpool have stated that the club has let Kenny and Suarez down. No one from the board actually took the attempt to voice out their support for Suarez or Kenny and Kenny has had to deal with the incident single handedly.

Would Shankly have apologised? No, he will fight on like Kenny for the club.
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You can bet the Yankee bosses have instructed such...........

We are in a corporate environment. Its no longer the heart of Liverpool fc.
Its FSG now. Shanks may not have survived in this environment.
i can really see Kenny leave sad.gif
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QUOTE(farisq @ Feb 13 2012, 09:58 AM)
Guys, a lot have been mentioned about the non-football incident. So I just want to focus on one football related incident. I'm not sure if anyone has discussed about the tackle by Ferdinand on Suarez. Couldn't be bother to check given that our thread is growing fast these two days.
Anyway, I thought Ferdinand got more or less clean tackle on the ball. But his following up leg trip Suarez. I've seen many fouls been given by referee because of the following leg even if the tackle was clean. I think the same free kick should be given here. And if the ball had not gone far from Suarez (not sure about this) surely it is a goal scoring opportunity.

What's your take on this?
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What's your take on this?Evra should have been sent off IMO

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QUOTE(Monstar @ Feb 13 2012, 11:48 AM)
I do not get the apology.

1) If I call a Chinese man Chinaman, is that racist?
2) If I do not like a man, why should I shake his hands? Is Dear Leader Kim gonna shoot me?
3) Moving on when your honour is questioned is just not an option.

I despise Evra. Suarez called him a negerito 10 times. 10 freaking times. You would think after once or twice he would have told the ref that Suarez was being really offensive and the ref would have told Suarez to cut it out and Suarez would have definitely stopped. But no, he saved it for later. He knew by the way Suarez was using it that Suarez was unaware that it wasn't ok to use the word in the UK. He allowed Suarez to continue and only brought it up after the match so the FA could sanction Suarez. What a slimey, calculating, manipulative bastar. I understand why Suarez refuse to shake such a man's hand.
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spot on. mate.

shake his hand and become a hypocrite: thats the media sayin

and nothing about Evra's behaviour et al
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 13 2012, 12:14 PM)
True but we aren't trying to say that one thinks of rainbows when they hear the word. We're trying to say that Suarez has a case when he and every other Uruguayan that has commented has a point when they say it's socially acceptable where they come from. All the FA had to say was, "too bad, it's not acceptable here". Kau tim. Instead they decided to study videos to determine if his body language suggests Suarez meant it as "you effing n******" rather than "porque ne***?" Then they say that he "probably" did.
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Right on.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 13 2012, 12:43 PM)
Let's admit it, Kenny got it all wrong. He came with the plan to catch the mancs through counter attacking which clearly isnt working with Enrique being tormented by Rafael + Valencia. Downing was shit with no contribution whatsoever. Instead of starting with bellamy, he started with Downing when the former offer more in terms of pace  and work rate. Clearly that's dragged us down there. sweat.gif  doh.gif
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Bellamy may have trouble playing two games on the trot.
However, our midfield was non existent.
Appears when the game started, Stevie was playing off Luis, which worked fine as we saw in the attcks.
Howver, when the game wore on, the midfield appeared lackasidial; thats where we
saw Stevie dropping deeper to help out. Thats when the pressin
further up ended.

Henderson is not my fav cuppa....still not. Great engine, but no more than that.
Downing should go. Hes a waste of space.
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QUOTE(Wan @ Feb 13 2012, 12:51 PM)
Kak, kira kak
Ah ne=bro

calling someone by their skin colour in an argument=racist.

Not that hard to understand.

Stop digging deeper.
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Not in some countries...

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post Feb 14 2012, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 13 2012, 11:03 PM)
Pressure from £20m-a-year sponsors helped force Suarez and Dalglish apologies
/In before Suarez get offloaded and we got Keisuke Honda because Standard Charted want an Asian for marketing purposes.
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We should then get a chinese player cos Stnchart is non existent in Japon! biggrin.gif

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John W. Henry ready to lift Liverpool’s standard after Luis Suárez furore
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Trying to enjoy a family vacation, John W. Henry watched the final, radioactive fallout from the Luis Suárez affair settle on Anfield from Fort Lauderdale, deep in America’s Sunshine State.

It is unlikely to have been a particularly restful holiday, such is the work that awaits him. Next week, Liverpool’s principal, principled owner will fly to Merseyside, where the storm clouds gather.

Contrary to a popular perception too easily guided by soap opera narrative, the arpeggio of apologies issued by Suárez, his club, and Kenny Dalglish, the manager, on Sunday afternoon was not orchestrated by Fenway Sports Group, Liverpool’s parent company.

There was no directive from Henry or his chairman, Tom Werner, that the Uruguayan’s failure to shake hands with Patrice Evra at Old Trafford was of such repugnant moral vacuity that contrition was compulsory. There was no kneejerk response to savage words in the New York Times, a former investor in FSG, and the Boston Globe, Henry’s local paper, demanding intervention in the closest thing the Barclays Premier League has to a pariah state.

Rather, Ian Ayre, Liverpool’s managing director, in consultation with Dalglish, established the direction the club would take and sought confirmation from his employers that they agreed with his blueprint. This was local self-determination in action. There was no American cultural imperialism.

That is not to accuse Henry of idleness, or absenteeism, a charge he and Werner have been desperate to avoid ever since replacing Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr on a rather happier October day, exactly a year before Suárez turned his spiteful tongue on Evra. That the 62-year-old will be in England within the next seven days, indeed, is evidence of how things have changed. FSG will fight for its investment.

Henry’s first job is likely to be mollifying Standard Chartered, the club’s prime, £20 million-a-season shirt sponsor, unsurprisingly unhappy to find its brand, its logo, suddenly associated rather too readily with a player charged with issuing racist abuse. There is no suggestion as yet that the bank, which boasts 1,700 branches worldwide and considerable reach in the Far East, is reassessing its involvement with the club.

Henry, though, knows that assuring them such toxicity will not be a feature of their association with Liverpool in the future will soothe troubled minds.

Although Henry will also meet Richard Scudamore, the chief executive of the Premier League, in an attempt to smooth relations with the English game’s hierarchy, it is telling that it is when the brand is imperilled that he acts. An editorial in Massachusetts costs nothing; fear rising in the Orient could be expensive indeed.

FSG, like Dalglish, has no intention of selling Suárez; anyone with the briefest knowledge of football would know that the game’s moral compass tends to point in whichever direction leads to success, that clubs do not routinely sell their best players simply to dampen an outcry, no matter how serious the offence. Henry has been long enough in sport to know that another controversy will be stirred, another hellion conjured soon enough to distract attention.

But he has also been aware, from the moment Evra first levelled his charge at Suárez, at how poisonous such an allegation might be. For the player, of course, and for the club. But most of all for the brand. Such corporate jargon is anathema to fans, no more so than those on the Kop whose traditions are pinned to their jackets and daubed on to flags. But that is what Liverpool, and all of their competitors, have become: brands that require consumers, brands that stand and fall by their sponsors.

If Henry’s investment is to work, and Liverpool are to compete once more, he needs a club he can sell worldwide. Ideally, he needs a star player.

It seemed before October that Suárez could be that cornerstone. Now that is in doubt. Player, club and brand have been damaged. It is Henry who must begin to arrest the decline, to begin the Herculean task of wiping the slate clean. There is work to be done.



Added on February 14, 2012, 8:14 amRed devil can be Kenny’s Cantona
By Ken Early
Monday, February 13, 2012
The multiple apologies issued by Liverpool FC employees on Sunday must have come as a relief to the majority of the club’s fans.
In the end, was saying sorry really so hard?

The reaction to Luis Suarez’s refusal to shake hands with Patrice Evra was predictable, with the Sunday papers resembling a competition between correspondents to see who could condemn Suarez and Liverpool in the most strident terms. The Sunday Times probably took the honours by describing the "loathsome" Suarez as "South America’s greatest charmer since General Pinochet".

Footballers, even ones who refuse handshakes, are rarely compared with mass-murdering dictators. Suarez’s problem was that having snubbed Evra, he had effectively declared open season on himself, and had the football media moving against him in pack mode, sicked on to him by Alex Ferguson.

Ferguson’s attack on Suarez after the game was extraordinary. It was impossible to recall him excoriating an individual opposition player in such terms: a disgrace to his club who should never play for them again.

Of course, when Ferguson was faced with a dilemma similar to the one Kenny Dalglish faces now, his attitude was very different.

By comparison with Eric Cantona, Luis Suarez is a model professional. He came to England for a huge fee from a big club where he had become captain after a brilliant career. When Cantona arrived in English football it was effectively as a disciplinary refugee from France. He had never stayed out of trouble long enough to build a career with any French club. He fought with teammates, attacked referees and responded to a disciplinary procedure by walking up to each member of the disciplinary panel to insult them individually.

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Cantona’s reputation at that stage was even worse than Suarez’s after his ban for biting an opponent, and he proceeded to burnish his legend by collecting a series of spectacular red cards. When Cantona got away with a kick at the head of a Norwich City player in 1994, Jimmy Hill called the foul "despicable and villainous". Ferguson’s response was to call Hill a "prat", and accuse the BBC of having an anti-United agenda (a curious form of paranoia that was echoed by Dalglish over the weekend, with his suggestion that Sky’s 24-hour news coverage had contributed to the Suarez problem).

In the end Cantona blew up at Selhurst Park, committing an unprecedented assault on a spectator, to near-universal media condemnation. It was a disgraceful act that brought shame on his club and probably cost his side the double that season, just as Ferguson speculates Suarez has cost Liverpool a European place this time.

Yet Ferguson did not respond, as he now urges Liverpool to respond, by kicking the wretched wrongdoer out of his club. Had he done so, nobody would have questioned it, the media would have praised his toughness, and the fans would have reluctantly accepted that their hero had it coming: look at his record.

Instead, drawing deep on reserves of patience, trust and understanding, Ferguson stood by Cantona, believed in his human potential, and was repaid with renewed brilliance, given greater intensity by the player’s respect and gratitude. A man the world had written off as incorrigible proved he was a reformed figure. He was never sent off again.

Maybe Ferguson has forgotten all that, or more likely he hopes Dalglish has. While fulminating at Suarez and roaring on the mob of those eager to see the Uruguayan driven out of English football may give him some pleasure, deep down Ferguson knows Dalglish would have to be a prat to listen.


Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columni...l#ixzz1mIsBF7Lw


Added on February 14, 2012, 8:25 am_________________________________________________________

OR MAYBE Slur Alex is just the BiGgest HYPO-krite?


Added on February 14, 2012, 8:33 amIt's an interesting code of ethics Mr. Ferguson lives by when it comes to footballers.

Kung-fu kick a fan? That's fine. Sleep with your brother's wife? No problem. Bed an OAP prostitute? Splendid. Admit to deliberately trying to break an opponent's leg? Boys will be boys. Refuse to shake hands with an opponent? Ban for life.

Everyone will have a view on Luis Suarez's conduct on Saturday but far more unpalatable was the fact that Mr Alex Ferguson was allowed to poke his purple nose into another club's business without censure.

Bookies Boylesports are betting on whether the outdated Premier League pre-match handshake tradition will be scrapped by next season and at 12-1 I'd say that's a very good bet.

More interesting, though, is the betting, next time the two North West giants meet, on whether Liverpool boss Kenny Dalglish will shake hands with his Scottish nemesis.

Dalglish will be fuming that he's been forced into a humiliating climbdown by a PR drive at Anfield while Mr Alex Ferguson has been allowed to escape scot-free for his incendiary comments.

Mr Alex Ferguson should tread warily on the race row. Last time he got involved in a race row, Rock Of Gibraltar cost him a fortune.

BetVictor offer 16-1 for the two Scots not to shake when United next face Liverpool. Not a good bet -Dalglish will shake with rage.

Suarez's dignified response to scoring and his equally dignified response to Patrice Evra's dangerously provocative gloating should have spared him the vitriol heaped on him because of a) his decision not to shake the Frenchman's hand, and b) his decision to be Uruguayan.

Wayne Bridge was a hero when he snubbed John Terry's handshake; Samir Nasri drew no criticism for a similar snub to William Gallas. But Suarez has been deemed the villain in a media pantomime so even if he'd sponsored a Mother Teresa fun run around the Old Trafford pitch on Saturday you suspect he'd have been castigated for cruelty to pensioners. Wayne Rooney would merely have asked for her number.

Hills go 5-1 for Dalglish and Suarez both to have left Liverpool by the first game of next season.

The Uruguayan is 11-5 with Boylesports to be sent off this season and it's 3-1 for another player to refuse to shake hands with him before a game.



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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Feb 14 2012, 09:00 AM)
Fergie started the music and everybody now is dancing to his tunes. Everyone including our own fans.

The fact of the matter is, nobody would give two hoots on the incident on it if the media doesn't harp on it.

Sickening to see all these attacks from inside out and calls for him to leave when this is time he needs our support the most. For fark sake, he is still a LFC player and we don't have to wash our dirty linens in public.
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The main point oof that article is the BIG HYPO-KRITE named Alex Ferguson
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 14 2012, 02:17 PM)
Yes, I wasn't keen on Suarez in the first place because of his reputation and behaviour.
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Was it because of his bite?
How well do you know him before he joined us?

When i first saw him in the WC, i was in awe.
i was standing in front of a tv screen in Copenhagen watching one of the WC games
and wished to myself: Would it be great if we had this guy?

My wish came true and hes been a revelation.

Yes, i dont like some of his attitude. But then hes Sud American! Latino tempers and the like.

But having said that, IF he lied to Kenny then hes in the worng.
Hopeffully he learns from it and gives us a goal in the final!
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QUOTE(Adryan @ Feb 14 2012, 08:31 PM)
Not when he's on the bench, IMO.

I know you love Torres, so did I and I appreciated the goals he scored for Liverpool but we never won anything with him. He's burnt the bridges.

I can accept a player leaving the club no matter how good but I can't accept a player who disrespects the club shortly after leaving especially how the fans have backed him through thick and think, coming up with excuses for his poor performances.

And honestly, I don't think you should have him as your signature anymore tongue.gif
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Appreciated him for the time that he was here.

Never respected him for the way he left for his 180k per week job at the plastics.

He should never be mentioned anymore.....there are legends and there are moneychasers.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 14 2012, 10:17 PM)
So it is ok to have a blatant cheat on the team just because he shows passion?
As mentioned by sols, I've had a fair few run ins with the rest regarding Suarez prior to us signing him.

And just in case anyone accuses me of favouritism, I've also complained about gerrard and his 'fall down like a sack of potatoes' impression one moment and rant about foreigners diving the next.
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i asked you this:
Was it because of his bite?
How well do you know him before he joined us?
How much of Suarez did you know before he joined us?
Just wondering.

So with Stevie, in the same arguement, should we have sold him since he is like a sack of spuds? biggrin.gif

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