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post May 13 2012, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(thesun @ May 13 2012, 08:04 PM)
XJ6 inline 4 - 16valves - 4 pistons
ER6 inline 2 - 8 valves - 2 pistons

when the time comes, u need to re-check valve clearance, grind valve, re-shim, re-place piston rings etc...
cost of parts and labour will differ alot because of more parts on the XJ6..

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thanks for your advise. But how much do you think it differs? Double the maintenance price of ER6 or just slight up by few hundreds?

At the moment I'm driving a Gen2. Traffic is getting bad and there are almost no more parking space around my office. If the maintenance cost is just about as much as a car, I wouldn't mind sangat la. I'm just looking for other ways to commute to office, but has to be enjoyable for weekend rides too.

Read in the earlier in the thread, XJ6 4 inline is overated? How so?

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QUOTE(edmx @ May 13 2012, 06:24 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm contemplating on getting ER6N/F, versys or xj6. My ears would definitely go for XJ6 due to the sweet sound XJ6 produces. ER6 variants including versys sounds much like moped.

In the long run, how big of a difference will XJ6 and ER6n differs in maintenance?

Any input is deeply appreciated.
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At speed above 120km/h, you'll no longer hear your exhaust sound. All u hear is just wind noise passing your helmet.

If masturbating your ear is all your intention there is, go ahead buy an xj6. But for a few k more, you can buy a 2nd hand z750 that sounds alot nicer than xj6. Serious.
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post May 13 2012, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(edmx @ May 13 2012, 08:16 PM)
thanks for your advise. But how much do you think it differs? Double the maintenance price of ER6 or just slight up by few hundreds?

At the moment I'm driving a Gen2. Traffic is getting bad and there are almost no more parking space around my office. If the maintenance cost is just about as much as a car, I wouldn't mind sangat la. I'm just looking for other ways to commute to office, but has to be enjoyable for weekend rides too.

Read in the earlier in the thread, XJ6 4 inline is overated? How so?

ps: ahmoi sudah ada. approval sudah dapat  biggrin.gif  thumbup.gif
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yeah, correct on the exhaust sound, furthermore stock Xj6 sound dun sound like those r6 or r1..
the sound is very soft, to get real eargasm, need to fork out another RM4300 for arrow fullsystem..

for town ride, i think inline 2 more suitable because of the more torque it provide..
fuel consumption, er6n also should be the winner because of less dapur..

top speed of both i think should be more or less the same only,
unless both bikes have similar cc, then the one with more cylinders should win on top speed or hp..

but er6n is 650cc, 50cc larger than xj6.. so it can compensate abit lah even not much i think..

i dont know the actual cost because i dont own these bikes,
if i were given the option, i will choose er6n 2012 anytime anyday...
alot of people use er6n nowadays, so if accident happen, spareparts should be easy to get, and ur bike will be lesser time at workshop..
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post May 13 2012, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(suicai99 @ May 13 2012, 08:19 PM)
At speed above 120km/h, you'll no longer hear your exhaust sound. All u hear is just wind noise passing your helmet.

If masturbating your ear is all your intention there is, go ahead buy an xj6. But for a few k more, you can buy a 2nd hand z750 that sounds alot nicer than xj6. Serious.
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I doubt I can handle z750. I got my B full aeons ago, but havent rode since my Kriss 125 got stolen 8 years ago.

A lot of people have been telling me this, at 120kmh, you can't even hear the sound your bike is making. Last time I took the Kriss was only for city riding. Thanks for your help!
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post May 13 2012, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(edmx @ May 13 2012, 06:24 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm contemplating on getting ER6N/F, versys or xj6. My ears would definitely go for XJ6 due to the sweet sound XJ6 produces. ER6 variants including versys sounds much like moped.

In the long run, how big of a difference will XJ6 and ER6n differs in maintenance?

Any input is deeply appreciated.
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If sound is ur priority, go for XJ6....

About the exhaust part, even some ER6/Versys owner change exhaust...... but still not fappable...

But ER6 in gear acceleration is better than xj6.... that's the nature of twins.....

Maintenance wise, not that much.... diff is not that big.....

But XJ6 will do better on highways.... inline 4, less strain on the engine, and scores higher top speed....

Few mods such as PC5 & Full system exhaust, ok dy... superb...

But for me i don't favour XJ6 front design.... ER6N is such a looker (new one)..... But engine is not my cup of tea....


So diff ppl, diff taste..... Go for which u like.... laugh.gif
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post May 13 2012, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(thesun @ May 13 2012, 08:48 PM)
yeah, correct on the exhaust sound, furthermore stock Xj6 sound dun sound like those r6 or r1..
the sound is very soft, to get real eargasm, need to fork out another RM4300 for arrow fullsystem..

for town ride, i think inline 2 more suitable because of the more torque it provide..
fuel consumption, er6n also should be the winner because of less dapur..

top speed of both i think should be more or less the same only,
unless both bikes have similar cc, then the one with more cylinders should win on top speed or hp..

but er6n is 650cc, 50cc larger than xj6.. so it can compensate abit lah even not much i think..

i dont know the actual cost because i dont own these bikes,
if i were given the option, i will choose er6n 2012 anytime anyday...
alot of people use er6n nowadays, so if accident happen, spareparts should be easy to get, and ur bike will be lesser time at workshop..
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thanks man, that's very helpful. Another 4-5k is pushing it. I might as well go for CBR600 or something.

not exactly town ride, since I take mostly federal, duke, smart.. all the highways around KL la. At most twice a week I get into KL's mess. And I'm not into top speed, I dont want my bike to be sent to my wife and body goes to morgue.

So among Kawa Trio, which do you think it would. I kinda like the F's looks, it's subtly telling people 'dont mess with me'.

But I do think it's fairly important to have a noisy bike, just enough to make you noticeable.
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post May 13 2012, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(masz94 @ May 13 2012, 09:03 PM)
If sound is ur priority, go for XJ6....

About the exhaust part, even some ER6/Versys owner change exhaust...... but still not fappable...

But ER6 in gear acceleration is better than xj6.... that's the nature of twins.....

Maintenance wise, not that much.... diff is not that big.....

But XJ6 will do better on highways.... inline 4, less strain on the engine, and scores higher top speed....

Few mods such as PC5 & Full system exhaust, ok dy... superb...

But for me i don't favour XJ6 front design.... ER6N is such a looker (new one)..... But engine is not my cup of tea....
So diff ppl, diff taste..... Go for which u like....  laugh.gif
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I'm with you on this. ER6 a great looker. The swingarm looks awesome. XJ6 front looks soft and swingarm looks standard LC 135. But engine wise, I would favor 4 inline anytime of the day. That's the biggest contemplation I have.

No matter what exhaust you change, 2 inline will still sound like moped. Unless V twin like Naza, which sounds pretty decent.
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post May 13 2012, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(edmx @ May 13 2012, 06:24 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm contemplating on getting ER6N/F, versys or xj6. My ears would definitely go for XJ6 due to the sweet sound XJ6 produces. ER6 variants including versys sounds much like moped.

In the long run, how big of a difference will XJ6 and ER6n differs in maintenance?

Any input is deeply appreciated.
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i was at the same dilemma a few months back


turns out that HLY only offer the f-ugly XJ6-Diversion rather than the nicely looking XJ6-naked

and after further reading in the internet, the only advantage XJ6 has over ER6-N:

1. 4 cylinder = nicer sounding engine (meh)
2. double stand (I LOL'ed at why ppl need a double stand attached on a big bike. just go ahead and buy a paddock stand)


and another interesting info you may consider: the xj6 inline 4 engine is a very old engine. it's just an upgraded R6 engine (old vesrion, not the current one)

from http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikerevi...6-2009-current/ (btw, the reviewed bike is the naked version)

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This is a retuned version of the engine you’ll find in the current Yamaha FZ6, which in turn is an old-school Yamaha R6 lump. It gets a new cylinder head, softer-performance camshafts, reshaped inlet ports, new forged pistons and a one-piece crankcase and cylinder block. The motor breathes through a new fuel-injection system with smaller diameter (down 32mm from 36mm) throttle bodies and a neat underslung exhaust, featuring a three-way catalytic converter. A new clutch and gearshift design make changing gear smoother and easier than the Yamaha FZ6. All this fettling is designed to make the Yamaha XJ6 flexible and friendly to ride. Claimed power and torque is less than the FZ6 (by 20bhp and 2ftlb), but usefully delivered much lower down the rev-range (2000rpm and 1500rpm).
There’s less need to stir the six-speed gearbox to keep up with traffic than the FZ6, making town riding nice and easy. At very low speeds the throttle response is snatchy when getting on and off the gas, but as speeds increase and the engine is spinning more it’s less of a problem. Overall the motor is very smooth, friendly and has lots of power (77bhp) if you’re prepared to rev it; enough for decent wheelies.
Despite the fettling to make the engine gruntier, you can still feel its supersports DNA and it never really relaxes, it’s always busy, buzzing and you often find yourself searching for another gear when you’re already in sixth. It’s not as bad as the Yamaha FZ6’s motor and you soon get used to it, but more grunt and less revs would make the Yamaha XJ6 even better. As it is, the engine is still impressive and the new, smoother-action clutch and gearbox help the job along.


ER6N/F advantage:

1. less maintenance cost
a. 2L oil vs 4L oil
b. 2 pistons to serice vs 4 piston
3. piston/cylinder/bore/conrod size = BIG vs piston size = SMALL --> reliability

2. better f/c

3. high torque at low revs

4. many accessories readily available

5. er6-n 2012 looks >>> XJ6 diversion (half fairing, which i think is weird)

This post has been edited by lucifah: May 13 2012, 09:19 PM
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post May 13 2012, 10:48 PM

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dun forget, the newly launch CF Moto 650NK, from chassis to engine is copy of previous er6n,
so many options of spareparts.. if u hesitate to take structural/engine part, at least other parts can 'kacuk/kahwin' with this bike,
for example, headlights, tail (two pieces seat instead of one on the er6)...
i find this bike is better looking than er6 except for the cheapo meter la.. brows.gif
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post May 13 2012, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(thesun @ May 13 2012, 10:48 PM)
dun forget, the newly launch CF Moto 650NK, from chassis to engine is copy of previous er6n,
so many options of spareparts.. if u hesitate to take structural/engine part, at least other parts can 'kacuk/kahwin' with this bike,
for example, headlights, tail (two pieces seat instead of one on the er6)...
i find this bike is better looking than er6 except for the cheapo meter la..  brows.gif
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against older er6, you may be right

but against the new 2012? the double tube frame alone is a killer
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post May 14 2012, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(thesun @ May 13 2012, 10:48 PM)
dun forget, the newly launch CF Moto 650NK, from chassis to engine is copy of previous er6n,
so many options of spareparts.. if u hesitate to take structural/engine part, at least other parts can 'kacuk/kahwin' with this bike,
for example, headlights, tail (two pieces seat instead of one on the er6)...
i find this bike is better looking than er6 except for the cheapo meter la..  brows.gif
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I do find CF moto tempting, but what about after sales service? That's the scary part, you buy and no support from the disti.

What about Naza 650R based on Hyosung? The sound is pretty bad-ass and grumpy, I do like more than er6. The bike is too rarelah, non of my friends use it (even friend to a friend, that I know of).
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post May 14 2012, 01:28 AM

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Blade 650r is a reasonable option, provided u get 2009 and above.
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post May 14 2012, 02:54 AM

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QUOTE(edmx @ May 14 2012, 12:42 AM)
I do find CF moto tempting, but what about after sales service? That's the scary part, you buy and no support from the disti.

What about Naza 650R based on Hyosung? The sound is pretty bad-ass and grumpy, I do like more than er6. The bike is too rarelah, non of my friends use it (even friend to a friend, that I know of).
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best way is to ask directly at their distributor, daiichi..
me myself also yet to see this company in semenanjung..

wait till they sell the bike near you, then ask kaw kaw, normally those who are knowledgeable in bikes will be the lab rat / buy the 1st model lah..
then they will setup a facebook group or something..

this cf moto not only will be on sale in malaysia, but also Canada, Thai and many more.. so, spares should be alot la..
i think can kacuk with er6n also..

maintenance wise, i think normal like er6n also.. 2L engine oil and oil filter (oil filter for sure can use er6n punya)

erm, take for example the KTN 200 (also china copycat dr200) aftersales service quite ok la..
meter got water vapor, go claim, straight away replace new unit..
china bikes these days are improving, as long as they copy the original thing lah..



on the other hand, Naza Blade 650 also gooding, price is RM 20,086.00.. i think got promotion la.. see their facebook..
if u buy this bike, make sure mingle with blade owners.. can find them on internet forums, and fb..
i'm sure they already know what are the known problems and where the best place / pomen to do repair..

This post has been edited by thesun: May 14 2012, 02:55 AM
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post May 14 2012, 03:17 AM

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QUOTE(edmx @ May 13 2012, 06:24 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm contemplating on getting ER6N/F, versys or xj6. My ears would definitely go for XJ6 due to the sweet sound XJ6 produces. ER6 variants including versys sounds much like moped.

In the long run, how big of a difference will XJ6 and ER6n differs in maintenance?

Any input is deeply appreciated.
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haha...

I don't know why ER6/Versys sound is bad.... It's not that all parallel twins sounds bad....

My mech compared Kawasaki's own Vulcan 500 & ER6..... Hell, Vulcan sounds better.... more to a V-Twin.....


Maintenance....

Around the same.....

When u will overhaul this bike ? If well taken care, maybe around 8-10 years (earliest ?)

After u overhaul, how long it will last ?

Cost of overhaul ? inline 4 is abit expensive... but not that much..... also depends on which parts that needs changing....

So it is subjective....

Oh c'mon.... Inline 4 is not that hard to maintain....

I myself bought a V-Twin Bike....

But to me inline 4 produce quite satisfying sound....

ER6 sound is worst than Duke 690.....

But no doubt, it is quite a good bike..... Good low end torque...




XJ6 Torque ? no problem..... rev it a bit hard and it will go.... real fast...
Simple.... coz big bikes got lotsa power.... just twist the throttle, & it'll go....

Infact I've tested R6..... XJ6 is a better bike in town, if we're talking about low end power.....

But if u twist the R6 throttle harder.... U'll scare the shit out of u.... The same goes to XJ6, and even ER6.....



Versys 650..... I don't know, but most of my friends said that the top speed is quite low.... But riding position good.....


Blade 650R..... One of the fastest amongst these bikes.....
Engine.... derived from Suzuki SV650...... Parts can be shared with Suzuki.....


So it's up to u..... But if sound is ur priority, look no further.... Buy Blade or XJ6.... Don't waste ur time with ER6/Versys....

But if ur looking for a good bike in town, then go for ER6.... Not to say that XJ6 is bad around town, but ER6 is abit better.....

This post has been edited by masz94: May 14 2012, 03:19 AM
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post May 14 2012, 03:39 AM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ May 13 2012, 09:12 PM)
i was at the same dilemma a few months back
turns out that HLY only offer the f-ugly XJ6-Diversion rather than the nicely looking XJ6-naked

and after further reading in the internet, the only advantage XJ6 has over ER6-N:

1. 4 cylinder = nicer sounding engine (meh)
2. double stand (I LOL'ed at why ppl need a double stand attached on a big bike. just go ahead and buy a paddock stand)
and another interesting info you may consider: the xj6 inline 4 engine is a very old engine. it's just an upgraded R6 engine (old vesrion, not the current one)

from http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikerevi...6-2009-current/  (btw, the reviewed bike is the naked version)
ER6N/F advantage:

1. less maintenance cost
a. 2L oil vs 4L oil
b. 2 pistons to serice vs 4 piston
3. piston/cylinder/bore/conrod size = BIG vs piston size = SMALL  --> reliability

2. better f/c

3. high torque at low revs

4. many accessories readily available

5. er6-n 2012 looks >>> XJ6 diversion (half fairing, which i think is weird)
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Yup..... Quite sad, they didn't bring in the beautiful XJ6 Naked.....

About high torque at low revs, kinda shocked to see XJ6 torque came in as early as 2000 rpm.... Very2 early for an inline 4....

Yamaha tuned XJ6 to be more of a city bike then highway screamer.... Totally diff head & valve profile than the R6....


About FC.... around the same.... but Er6 abit less... but still one of the most fuel efficient inline 4 i ever see....

Accessories.... yeah not that much... but can use some of XJ6N & FZ6R accessories.... laugh.gif


Reliability...... Subjective....

Example : To maintain a speed of 160 km/h , ER6 need to rev more than XJ6.... hence the straints...

ER6 produce more torque at earlier revs.... Hence more straints for the clutch......

Also the sprockets & chain....


I can show u a pic of ER6 doing full overhaul at my mech shop... will try to snap some pics.... Piston jammed.... snapped few valves...

So it is subjective....


I'm not bashing ER6.... to me it is quite a good bike..... but sometimes, real world experience tells all....

Peace... icon_rolleyes.gif laugh.gif



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post May 14 2012, 08:57 AM

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fuuu tukar dgn R1 1 minggu
tp bukan aku boleh bawak pun R1 tu nanti wahaha sabtu / ahad je baru boleh bawak
tp mozact konpem suke kalau aku tukar CBR dgn R1 kau wahaha
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QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ May 14 2012, 08:57 AM)
fuuu tukar dgn R1 1 minggu
tp bukan aku boleh bawak pun R1 tu nanti wahaha sabtu / ahad je baru boleh bawak
tp mozact konpem suke kalau aku tukar CBR dgn R1 kau wahaha
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mozact dah usha R1 aku haritu time kenduri kai laugh.gif
member aku sorang tengah meroyan nak rabbit..tengah tunggu loan..kalo lah aku tukar dengan ko mau sawan member aku ni haha
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Motor mana pun kalau rev tak ingat dunia, kau pakai r1 pun jahanam jugak.

It is true that bike sound is very subjective. Some place importance to how a bike should sound like. I dont care about the sound. I wear earplugs anyway. I only care about the practicality. I buy a bike to serve my need and use. Not to show off. Hence i chose wat i am riding now.
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QUOTE(suicai99 @ May 14 2012, 10:29 AM)
Motor mana pun kalau rev tak ingat dunia, kau pakai r1 pun jahanam jugak.

It is true that bike sound is very subjective. Some place importance to how a bike should sound like. I dont care about the sound. I wear earplugs anyway. I only care about the practicality. I buy a bike to serve my need and use. Not to show off. Hence i chose wat i am riding now.
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i want to try 299 that why buy rabbit
now 260 only need to add another 39 to that... muahaha
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QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ May 14 2012, 10:36 AM)
i want to try 299 that why buy rabbit
now 260 only need to add another 39 to that... muahaha
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Hati kering, equipment pun dah ok, aper lagi... Try it lar ber0o0o0... Papehal pun, safety 1st wokeyh

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