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post Jul 4 2014, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jul 4 2014, 08:02 AM)
Well, I'm fine with the AVGP, wasn't really a performance craver anyway, the SV35 is much expensive if I back-to-back order it here, Hkari85 is from Penang, postage could be much worst...  sweat.gif so yeah, I'll stick to whatever options I have right now, currently saving up for smaller case for pure NAS setup.
Looking at Linux setup for my future sharing options, Windows Server is faster though in terms of background performance, but I'll get to find out later. wink.gif
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That's why I said if you really wanted to get your hands on it.

For storage and sharing, NAS is the best way to go. As for HDD performance, some are tuned to CIFS and some for NFS or even iSCSI. Have a look at StorageReview's findings as they put the different HDDs through different workloads.

Tom's Hardware shotout for WD Purple and SG SV35 seems to point to SV35 being tune to general write intensive apps and this has stirred my interest in the range.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/survei...ce,3831-10.html

FYI I have lost 4 WD GPs to NTFS filesystems corruption. I'm very sure the SATA cables were not the cause of it. I have since made the happy move to EXT3/4 and ZFS.
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post Jul 4 2014, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(mrbob @ Jul 4 2014, 09:49 AM)
That's why I said if you really wanted to get your hands on it.

For storage and sharing, NAS is the best way to go. As for HDD performance, some are tuned to CIFS and some for NFS or even iSCSI. Have a look at StorageReview's findings as they put the different HDDs through different workloads.

Tom's Hardware shotout for WD Purple and SG SV35 seems to point to SV35 being tune to general write intensive apps and this has stirred my interest in the range.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/survei...ce,3831-10.html

FYI I have lost 4 WD GPs to NTFS filesystems corruption. I'm very sure the SATA cables were not the cause of it. I have since made the happy move to EXT3/4 and ZFS.
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Were you using RAID on those failed WD GPs? I believe the GPs is not cater for hardware RAID though hmm.gif
I'm cheap skate on using those NAS system, pretty expensive IMO, and I need apps that require runs on Windows (most of it) so yeah my requirement is different, will look into Linux alternatives. unsure.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jun 29 2014, 06:58 AM)
doh.gif Old news? If you're constantly accessing the HDD, then the head won't park, constant torrenting won't be an issue.
As for the warranty, Seagate has changed his to 2-year, if you're into warranty, get the SV35 (WDC AV Green equivalent) which has 3-year warranty, just add around RM20~40 more depends on location and shop.
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thanks for the heads up, however like you i'm staying in kuching so not a lot of choice for hdd's here.
pc image only offers 1 year warranty for wd green and blue, 2 years for red and 3 years for black sad.gif


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post Jul 8 2014, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jul 4 2014, 01:46 PM)
Were you using RAID on those failed WD GPs? I believe the GPs is not cater for hardware RAID though hmm.gif
I'm cheap skate on using those NAS system, pretty expensive IMO, and I need apps that require runs on Windows (most of it) so yeah my requirement is different, will look into Linux alternatives. unsure.gif
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Haha, no they weren't RAIDed. Although some FreeNAS forumers have tested and verified that WD GP could run RAID, I wouldn't risk putting my data on RAIDed GPs. My problematic WD GPs were all on external enclosures which I have used religiously to backup my data the last couple of years. All of them started showing NTFS problems - corrupted files, index etc despite healty SMART status.

I guess the heavy online backup workload I put the WD GPs through may have exceeded what it was designed for. But I think for your case backup and archive, WD GP would work perfectly.


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QUOTE(DreamScars @ Jul 8 2014, 10:39 AM)
thanks for the heads up, however like you i'm staying in kuching so not a lot of choice for hdd's here.
pc image only offers 1 year warranty for wd green and blue, 2 years for red and 3 years for black  sad.gif
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WD would still honor the full warranty as stated on their website even if your Kuching vendor don't provide you full warranty support.
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QUOTE(DreamScars @ Jul 8 2014, 10:39 AM)
thanks for the heads up, however like you i'm staying in kuching so not a lot of choice for hdd's here.
pc image only offers 1 year warranty for wd green and blue, 2 years for red and 3 years for black  sad.gif
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I did RMA for my Samsung and WDC, Seagate being the easiest and fastest, while WDC is also fast but not as easy and fast as Seagate. DIY is cheaper... thumbup.gif

PC Image did only 1-year for the Green? Whose the Salesman? Let me complains... brows.gif
PC Image have always honor the full warranty period by the manufacturer, provided you still have the receipt with you, but the RMA process is tedious when it passed the 1-year, it'll takes more than few months doh.gif
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post Jul 8 2014, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(mrbob @ Jul 8 2014, 10:47 AM)
WD would still honor the full warranty as stated on their website even if your Kuching vendor don't provide you full warranty support.
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thanks, if that is the case i might give it a shot smile.gif
QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jul 8 2014, 11:09 AM)
I did RMA for my Samsung and WDC, Seagate being the easiest and fastest, while WDC is also fast but not as easy and fast as Seagate. DIY is cheaper...  thumbup.gif

PC Image did only 1-year for the Green? Whose the Salesman? Let me complains...  brows.gif
PC Image have always honor the full warranty period by the manufacturer, provided you still have the receipt with you, but the RMA process is tedious when it passed the 1-year, it'll takes more than few months doh.gif
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yep went to the ict fair last sunday and asked 3 different sales person all same answer so sweat.gif

is wd black's warranty worth the extra cost over wd blue at 1tb? seems like a lot of horror stories regarding wd green drives cry.gif

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QUOTE(DreamScars @ Jul 8 2014, 12:04 PM)
thanks, if that is the case i might give it a shot  smile.gif
yep went to the ict fair last sunday and asked 3 different sales person all same answer so  sweat.gif

is wd black's warranty worth the extra cost over wd blue at 1tb? seems like a lot of horror stories regarding wd green drives  cry.gif
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Green's problem is the head park issue, if you going to use it intensively, then Blue or Black, but my Black also have issue once and RMA it last year, there's always issue with every single HDD out there, problematic rate is another issue... sweat.gif
Otherwise get the AVGP which has extra 1-year warranty but of course need to back-to-back order for most retailer as it's not a common demand.
Black's warranty is good but you pay for the extra warranty, plus its heat issue is another which is too high for 24/7 usage, on a hot day can shoot up to 48C with fan blowing it... doh.gif That's in my room (really hot room) during "summer" in my main PC of which only runs in the night time right now due to the worries of overheating of the overall system. unsure.gif

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post Jul 8 2014, 01:39 PM

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Avoid Green, i had 2 of them, both got tons of bad sectors before i RMA it.
They're for storage use only cause it has high latency.
The Black and AVGP one didnt escape the fate of RMA either.
I sold off most of them, except the Black 2TB.

Now i only use 2x 3TB Toshiba drives on Raid 0, bought them not long ago, only stores non-critical data sweat.gif

When you noticed your drive take longer than usual when just copy/read.
it's Time to check the SMART data and Even viewer for disk error.
IT's the initial symptom of bad sector starting to develop.

+ Avoid shitgate at all cost.

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post Jul 8 2014, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 8 2014, 01:39 PM)
Avoid Green, i had 2 of them, both got tons of bad sectors before i RMA it.
They're for storage use only cause it has high latency.
The Black and AVGP one didnt escape the fate of RMA either.
I sold off most of them, except the Black 2TB.

Now i only use 2x 3TB Toshiba drives on Raid 0, bought them not long ago, only stores non-critical data sweat.gif

When you noticed your drive take longer than usual when just copy/read.
it's Time to check the SMART data and Even viewer for disk error.
IT's the initial symptom of bad sector starting to develop.

+ Avoid shitgate at all cost.
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Erm, hmm.gif can I know how long you use each drive before they fail on you?
I have 1 Green before, 1TB failed just after warranty finish, now it's one darn expensive paper weight, failure reason is bad sectors growing so I didn't use it any more worries of losing data.
Also how long have you been using the Toshiba?
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post Jul 8 2014, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jul 8 2014, 03:37 PM)
Erm,  hmm.gif can I know how long you use each drive before they fail on you?
I have 1 Green before, 1TB failed just after warranty finish, now it's one darn expensive paper weight, failure reason is bad sectors growing so I didn't use it any more worries of losing data.
Also how long have you been using the Toshiba?
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More than 6 months for Thoshiba if i recall correctly. Damn scared to store anythings important on them, gotta buy 2 more backup drive sweat.gif

WD Green and AVGP started to develop problem after one years.
While Black one after two years.

Green one was the most serious, bad sector occupied more than 75% of the drive.
AVGP and Black only have tiny bits of bad sector. but WD honor the warranty and replaced them.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 8 2014, 06:34 PM)
More than 6 months for Thoshiba if i recall correctly. Damn scared to store anythings important on them, gotta buy 2 more backup drive sweat.gif

WD Green and AVGP started to develop problem after one years.
While Black one after two years.

Green one was the most serious, bad sector occupied more than 75% of the drive.
AVGP and Black only have tiny bits of bad sector. but WD honor the warranty and replaced them.
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have u tried wd re4 enterprise before? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(super macgyver @ Jul 9 2014, 01:36 PM)
have u tried wd re4 enterprise before?  hmm.gif
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Never, they're too expensive. i rather buy 2x green 4TB which is still cheaper.
or go for cheaper brand like Hitachi or Toshiba.

RMA is a small matter, backing up data from an almost dead hard drive is real pain in the butt.
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post Jul 9 2014, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(mrbob @ Jul 3 2014, 10:29 PM)
If you really want it you could try hikari85.

SV35 has a higher spin rate and can support 32 simultaneous video streams compared with AVGP's 12 streams. AVGP really shines at 24/7 ops with constant write especially in ext3/4 filesystems. I'll be moving my 2nd AVGP to my linux desktop soon.
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im wondering if sv35 will be suitable for storing games or made as boot drive? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(DreamScars @ Jul 9 2014, 06:28 PM)
im wondering if sv35 will be suitable for storing games or made as boot drive?  hmm.gif
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For storage purpose, yes, for booting your OS, it can boot, but not recommended.
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jul 8 2014, 12:55 PM)
Green's problem is the head park issue, if you going to use it intensively, then Blue or Black, but my Black also have issue once and RMA it last year, there's always issue with every single HDD out there, problematic rate is another issue... sweat.gif
Otherwise get the AVGP which has extra 1-year warranty but of course need to back-to-back order for most retailer as it's not a common demand.
Black's warranty is good but you pay for the extra warranty, plus its heat issue is another which is too high for 24/7 usage, on a hot day can shoot up to 48C with fan blowing it... doh.gif That's in my room (really hot room) during "summer" in my main PC of which only runs in the night time right now due to the worries of overheating of the overall system. unsure.gif
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GP's IntelliPower feature that parks the HDD head every 8 secs throughout its lifetime is not an issue if you use wdidle3. Some Reds were also affected by WD's adventurous step to introduce the IntelliPower in it too. Good thing they have decided to remove the IntelliPower feature in the later Reds. If you own any Reds , you can also use wdidle3 to check if it comes with IntelliPower switched on.

To ensure smooth operation of your HDDs, just watch these 3 - heat, shock/vibration and power. If you can care take of these, your HDD will have a good chance of lasting well after the warranty expires.

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post Jul 10 2014, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(DreamScars @ Jul 9 2014, 06:28 PM)
im wondering if sv35 will be suitable for storing games or made as boot drive?  hmm.gif
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WD Blue or Black or even SSDs would be good as bootup. sv35 and AVGP are great under constant writing mode - eg CCTV, torrenting, continuous video streaming etc.

WD Greens are great for archiving. Just google and see how to better protect your HDDs.
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8TB and 10TB HDDs might be available soon as Seagate CEO confirms during quarterly earnings report announcement that "customer development kits" have been shipped out to major customers.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37434/seagat...year/index.html

http://www.kitguru.net/components/hard-dri...nt-hard-drives/

http://hothardware.com/News/Seagate-Announ...ews#!biO8uR




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Recently received quite a few number of faulty usb WD 2.5inch ultrabook, and 1 unit of seagate usb 2.5inch hdd.

i have advised those users to get separate purchase for wd 2.5inch black caviar with a descent ext enclosure for their next purchase. sweat.gif
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any recommendation for good 1TB ext hdd ? gonna use it with my MBP

 

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