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post Jan 15 2012, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(asellus @ Jan 14 2012, 11:34 PM)
Who wanna bet that P1 will only give you a /128?
If only they will give out a /56 at least...
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It will be lame if they only give a /128 wink.gif

But we'll see.
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post Jan 15 2012, 11:25 PM

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but i hear ipv6 hv some security enhance also?

but also easier to trace!

is this correct??
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post Jan 16 2012, 12:09 AM

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yeah..so you want to continue watch porn, better use ipv4 behind triple NAT. sure police will not find you.
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post Jan 16 2012, 04:23 AM

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i see... i take it that is your plan then.
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QUOTE(ihsan @ Jan 16 2012, 12:09 AM)
yeah..so you want to continue watch porn, better use ipv4 behind triple NAT. sure police will not find you.
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Or you could like... change your v6 IP between every web page request biggrin.gif
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post Jan 17 2012, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(izzat80 @ Jan 16 2012, 04:23 AM)
i see... i take it that is your plan then.
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of course not because everyone who keeps asking those kind of stupid questions eventually gets what's coming to them.

so i take it as your plan then?


Added on January 17, 2012, 2:07 pm
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 16 2012, 08:45 PM)
Or you could like... change your v6 IP between every web page request biggrin.gif

actually i've been waiting for that kind of invention, i mean you can have 2 to the power of 64 in a /64 segment, surely someone can come up with a quick RA mechanism that can alternate this. haha

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post Jan 17 2012, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 15 2012, 08:06 AM)
1. That's a loooong line of logic with a lot of assumptions made. Applying Occam's Razor, the simpler way to think of it is that IPv6 and IPv4 are going to ride over the same layer-2/layer-1- it is this channel that determines congestion. Having said that, there *will* be a difference in routes between IPv4 and IPv6, since there's no practical way that all IPv4 BGP arrangements are going to be matched 1-1 isomorphically in IPv6. But it's not right to categorically assume that one will be less congested than the other.

2. At the ISP I subscribed to, they gave out dynamically assigned leases, citing operational reasons. I'll paraphrase what I can remember. Consider this - if you have multiple B-RASes serving the same subscriber footprint, as an upstream router how do you determine which B-RAS to forward a packet to? To do that, you'll need a route to each customer's static prefix - and for a provider the size of TM that's literally millions of routes, so I don't think they'll do this.

Alternatively, if each B-RAS were assigned its own /48 and gives out (dynamic) /64s in its own range, an upstream core router will only need to know one route per B-RAS.
1) We don't need even to consider much and make lots of assumptions. Every TM Streamyx/Unifi users have already come to much conclusion that even with IPv4, they are getting variable results with different ranges.Even myself I've got a range that day which was so crappy, it was not even getting me anywhere: 174.145.174.x. From local/Singaporean server latency to speed, everything was like crawling.

Why IPv6 should give a bit of hope? There are still less users today and chances that you're going to get the "premium-like" ip which most Streamyx users are on the look out for.

2) My stance is still that privacy is every individual's basic rights. With all the scrutinization of social networking sites and blogs going on in this country, the trend is not going to make any fears by the public subside. Of course authorities are not going to make it obvious with their surveilance, who doesn't work along "the wolf in sheep skin concept"? Today it's all about deception and hideous motives.

In attempt of this today people study hard and gain as much knowledge as they can so that they can prevent loopholes as a line of defense and at the same time try to find ways of circumventing an unknown problem(exploit).

Basic human nature in their attempts to equal God.
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post Jan 17 2012, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jan 17 2012, 06:42 PM)
1) We don't need even to consider much and make lots of assumptions. Every TM Streamyx/Unifi users have already come to much conclusion that even with IPv4, they are getting variable results with different ranges.Even myself I've got a range that day which was so crappy, it was not even getting me anywhere: 174.145.174.x. From local/Singaporean server latency to speed, everything was like crawling.

Why IPv6 should give a bit of hope? There are still less users today and chances that you're going to get the "premium-like" ip which most Streamyx users are on the look out for.

2) My stance is still that privacy is every individual's basic rights. With all the scrutinization of social networking sites and blogs going on in this country, the trend is not going to make any fears by the public subside. Of course authorities are not going to make it obvious with their surveilance, who doesn't work along "the wolf in sheep skin concept"? Today it's all about deception and hideous motives.

In attempt of this today people study hard  and gain as much knowledge as they can so that they can prevent loopholes as a line of defense and at the same time try to find ways of circumventing an unknown problem(exploit).

Basic human nature in their attempts to equal God.
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duuuuuddddeeeee,

you know how i know you are bullshitting?

when you start putting God into your argument. smile.gif

try putting someone else in place, God doesn't care about IP addresses and privacy. He has one big ass calculator and have an all seeing eye.
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post Jan 20 2012, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(ihsan @ Jan 17 2012, 10:21 PM)
duuuuuddddeeeee,

you know how i know you are bullshitting?

when you start putting God into your argument. smile.gif
What excuses did the cronies gave when asked to reveal their their family assets openly to public? brows.gif

Why curi-curi keeping things so secretive?

If you can give us the answer than you might have also answered why people are reluctant to use IPv6? laugh.gif
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post Jan 20 2012, 12:33 PM

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Ok both of you are going offtopic, knock it off please...
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 20 2012, 12:33 PM)
Ok both of you are going offtopic, knock it off please...
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This would be my last reply here but let me prove myself that my last reply was in all way still relative to the discussed topic.

The answer given by those "cronies" was "it was DANGEROUS"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2195835

Same answer is also for those who fear using IPv6. It allows authorities to track as deep right up to very single device you're using on a private network relating them with MAC IDs?




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post Jan 20 2012, 03:35 PM

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Well last I checked, IPv6 doesn't make you declare your assets in the packet header. Please explain convincingly your analogy between them?

As for IP addresses letting you be tracked to your individual device through the MAC address, consider this. I've made a few forum posts here recently with IPv6 and out-of-the-box Windows 7. Vista's behavior is the same AFAIK, not sure about XP.

These are my IPs:

2405:4600:3004:0:5e8:764e:6c64:88ba
2405:4600:3004:0:78bc:d939:b11e:50fb
2405:4600:3004:0:e962:c9a9:8620:d8a
2405:4600:3004:0:f52e:9644:9144:45a7
2405:4600:3004:3:b091:165b:3c98:db0c

Questions:

1) Can you derive my MAC address?
2) Why does my IP keep changing throughout the week?
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post Jan 20 2012, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jan 17 2012, 06:42 PM)
We don't need even to consider much and make lots of assumptions. Every TM Streamyx/Unifi users have already come to much conclusion that even with IPv4, they are getting variable results with different ranges.Even myself I've got a range that day which was so crappy, it was not even getting me anywhere: 174.145.174.x. From local/Singaporean server latency to speed, everything was like crawling.

Why IPv6 should give a bit of hope? There are still less users today and chances that you're going to get the "premium-like" ip which most Streamyx users are on the look out for.
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I see why you're thinking that way. You think that $ISP will set aside dedicated copper/wavelengths for IPv6 traffic. I think they'll dual-stack existing links, so congestion that affects an IPv4 user will also affect an IPv6 user traversing the same path.
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post Jan 21 2012, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 20 2012, 03:35 PM)
Well last I checked, IPv6 doesn't make you declare your assets in the packet header.  Please explain convincingly your analogy between them?

As for IP addresses letting you be tracked to your individual device through the MAC address, consider this. I've made a few forum posts here recently with IPv6 and out-of-the-box Windows 7. Vista's behavior is the same AFAIK, not sure about XP.

These are my IPs:

2405:4600:3004:0:5e8:764e:6c64:88ba
2405:4600:3004:0:78bc:d939:b11e:50fb
2405:4600:3004:0:e962:c9a9:8620:d8a
2405:4600:3004:0:f52e:9644:9144:45a7
2405:4600:3004:3:b091:165b:3c98:db0c

Questions:

1) Can you derive my MAC address?
2) Why does my IP keep changing throughout the week?
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Temporary IPv6 Address Cloaking per RFC 3041?

My stance is still that IPv6 should only be used by people who KNOWS what they're doing with their setup.

The DCOMS engineers who are network administrators/ISP are the ones who knows the way around these things.

All these will put the end user at great risk of exposure if they are NOT properly INFORMED and EDUCATED about EUI-64 implementation of IPv6.

Here's why and how they plan to merge your device's MAC into IPv6 with EUI-64. This will be used to assign unique static IP in future instead of manually mapping them with MAC IDs.

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Noticed that your sets of Manufacturer ID and Device IDs from your MAC are cleverly integrated into your IPv6 by reserving the last 8 bytes? If you do not cloak your IPv6 address carefully, what device you're using can be discovered by authorities at your location.Even worst your mobile device such as smartphones will even record all your movement into a secret log like what Apple did last time?

Concerns About IPv6 and Its Background

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The division of IPv6 addresses into distinct topology and interface identifier portions raises an issue new to IPv6 in that a fixed portion of an IPv6 address (i.e., the interface identifier) can contain an identifier that remains constant even when the topology portion of an address changes (e.g., as the result of connecting to a different part of the Internet).  In IPv4, when an address changes, the entire address (including the local part of the address) usually changes.  It is this new issue that this document addresses.

A more troubling case concerns mobile devices (e.g., laptops, PDAs, etc.) that move topologically within the Internet. Whenever they move (in the absence of technology such as mobile IP [MOBILEIP]), they form new addresses for their current topological point of attachment.  This is typified today by the "road warrior" who has Internet connectivity both at home and at the office.  While the node's address changes as it moves, however, the interface identifier contained within the address remains the same (when derived from an IEEE Identifier).  In such cases, the interface identifier can beused to track the movement and usage of a particular machine.

For example, a server that logs usage information together with a source addresses, is also recording the interface identifier since it is embedded within an address.  Consequently, any data-mining technique that correlates activity based on addresses could easily be extended to do the same using the interface identifier.  This is of particular concern with the expected proliferation of next-generation network-connected devices (e.g.PDAs, cell phones, etc.) in which large numbers of devices are inpractice associated with individual users (i.e., not shared).  Thus, the interface identifier embedded within an address could be used to track activities of an individual, even as they move topologically within the internet.
Source: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3041

Is this clear enough?
Most of the regular users don't even know what is DHCP and hex-binary conversions, they are in for big trouble if they choose to use IPv6 blindly.


Added on January 21, 2012, 5:26 pm
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 20 2012, 04:04 PM)
I see why you're thinking that way. You think that $ISP will set aside dedicated copper/wavelengths for IPv6 traffic. I think they'll dual-stack existing links, so congestion that affects an IPv4 user will also affect an IPv6 user traversing the same path.
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It's not I "think", it's by observation and experience.

Why is Streamyx assigning some unusable range of IPs around which differs greatly to some regular ones?
So much that they give awfully bad results to certain server locations and are not standardized?

Hey not fair^^
How come I can't post twice like you above but instead my posts got merged? ohmy.gif

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jan 21 2012, 05:19 PM)
All these will put the end user at great risk of exposure if they are NOT properly INFORMED and EDUCATED about EUI-64 implementation of IPv6.

As I said, I'm using Windows 7 out of the box and it's assigning itself random addresses just fine. I don't need to be educated or informed, because it's already doing it for me without any special configuration. All I did was plug myself into a dual-stacked LAN. I know for a fact that Vista also behaves this way. Don't know about OSX or XP. Linux doesn't do this out of the box, but it can be enabled with a sysctl - if you're a Linux user hopefully you're more clueful wink.gif

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jan 21 2012, 05:19 PM)
It's not I "think", it's by observation and experience.

Why is Streamyx assigning some unusable range of IPs around which differs greatly to some regular ones?
So much that they give awfully bad results to certain server locations and are not standardized?

With your observation and experience, what's your opinion to the questions you just asked?

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jan 21 2012, 05:19 PM)
Hey not fair^^
How come I can't post twice like you above but instead my posts got merged? ohmy.gif
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Check "don't merge with previous post" when you add a reply smile.gif
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on my singa macbook, it will auto on random addresses.

fbsd 8.2 however, need to enable the sysctl command, don't know about 9.0.
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By default, Windows 7/Vista use stateless autoconfig with extra temporary IPv6 address that will change periodically. With this, other people cannot derive your MAC address from their analytics data. No need to educate mere mortals that use Windows because they are protected by default. For Linux users, let just assume that they should know what they are doing if they use that OS.

What everyone should be afraid of is RIR policy that make ISPs that assign prefixes larger than /64 to their customers to also SWIP that customer information (usually billing address at the minimum) into the ISP's net-block WHOIS data.

As I prefer to use vanity IPv6 address with fancy reverse DNS entries (maybe wkkay can made it to be shown next to the pale blue IPv6 text?), this mean I have to disable the privacy extension (via netsh), disable router solicitation, set up other stateful config in my wireless adapter to 1, then set up a static IPv6 address and add a route to the wireless adapter. See how much work I have to do just to let other people data mining me? My postal address has already been published anyway for the /48 I used here...

Microsoft truly make using IPv6 by other means that isn't SLAAC to be difficult to the end user.

As for other people on the network that has default Windows installation, all I have to do is to advertise a prefix with radvd and everything will work just fine with them. They probably doesn't even know their connection is IPv6-enabled.
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QUOTE(asellus @ Jan 21 2012, 07:27 PM)
What everyone should be afraid of is RIR policy that make ISPs that assign prefixes larger than /64 to their customers to also SWIP that customer information (usually billing address at the minimum) into the ISP's net-block WHOIS data.

APNIC does not allow that. portable allocation block will always be registered under the ISP's, not the end assigned customers.

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As I prefer to use vanity IPv6 address with fancy reverse DNS entries (maybe wkkay can made it to be shown next to the pale blue IPv6 text?), this mean I have to disable the privacy extension (via netsh), disable router solicitation, set up other stateful config in my wireless adapter to 1, then set up a static IPv6 address and add a route to the wireless adapter. See how much work I have to do just to let other people data mining me? My postal address has already been published anyway for the /48 I used here...

you must have gotten portable assignment address hence why the /48 whois information will contain your contact information.

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Microsoft truly make using IPv6 by other means that isn't SLAAC to be difficult to the end user.

i thought starting from vista, it has decent DHCPv6 support?

at this point of time, all OSes must at least have decent support for SLAAC and DHCPv6.

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As for other people on the network that has default Windows installation, all I have to do is to advertise a prefix with radvd and everything will work just fine with them. They probably doesn't even know their connection is IPv6-enabled.

indeed. my ipad and iphone are already ipv6-enabled and can browse ipv6 content well.

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QUOTE(asellus @ Jan 21 2012, 07:27 PM)
1. As I prefer to use vanity IPv6 address with fancy reverse DNS entries (maybe wkkay can made it to be shown next to the pale blue IPv6 text?)

2. this mean I have to disable the privacy extension (via netsh), disable router solicitation, set up other stateful config in my wireless adapter to 1, then set up a static IPv6 address and add a route to the wireless adapter. See how much work I have to do just to let other people data mining me? My postal address has already been published anyway for the /48 I used here...

Microsoft truly make using IPv6 by other means that isn't SLAAC to be difficult to the end user.
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1. Nah, I prefer not to open a new can of worms. Aside privacy (as there are others who might not want it), slow reverse DNS stalling the webserver is another problem.

2. You can do that from the adapter IPv6 properties can't you? This one:
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 21 2012, 08:01 PM)
1. Nah, I prefer not to open a new can of worms. Aside privacy (as there are others who might not want it), slow reverse DNS stalling the webserver is another problem.

2. You can do that from the adapter IPv6 properties can't you? This one:
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You have no idea how it works. You can assign a static IPv6 there (complete with gateways, DNS and stuff) but Windows will simply ignore it if it sees RA being sent on the network. Windows will grab an IPv6 from the router (two if privacy extension is enabled) and will use it by default. Router solicitation need to be disabled on the network interface, that's for sure.

Need to screw around with netsh just to get static IPv6 to be used, or if you want to use stateful autoconfig.

This is where Linux really shines, if I tell it to use a static IPv6 address, it will use it. Not with Windows.

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