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P1 P1 TO BE READY FOR IPv6 IN 2012, P1 Press Release

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iipohbee
post Jan 14 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(AjkR06 @ Jan 14 2012, 04:07 PM)
Err... sorry I want to ask the noob question here...
Does using IPV6 will increase our speed to the internet? Or perhaps, improve our connection to the overseas connection? hmm.gif
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Theoritically NO. But ISPs might isolate different pool of bandwidth between concentrators(access routers) that separates IPv4/IPv6 IP assignments. At current, there are not many IPv6 users yet because ISPs have not promote it well enough yet.This is if the ISP architecture permits and IPv4 and IPv6 have separate bandwidth access pool.

So if using IPv6, you're likely to be accessing a non congested route/server if you're getting better speeds.

Next comes the bad news.

If you're on IPv6, you're most likely be getting a permanent IP because there're plenty for the ISP to assign everyone with a unique identifier.
This might concern some with privacy because it's easier to track each individual rather than to hide many private IPs behind a single gateway IP.

It depends on how you plan to use it.

As for wKkaY, I know why he prefers all of you to use IPv6. It's easier for him to do his weeding job. tongue.gif
iipohbee
post Jan 15 2012, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(asellus @ Jan 14 2012, 11:34 PM)
Who wanna bet that P1 will only give you a /128?
If only they will give out a /56 at least...
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What is that to offer if they gave out /128?

Their total number of subscribers already exceeded what is available?

Most likely they'll follow APNIC assignment policy recommendation.

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5.1 Initial IPv6 block for APNIC members with existing IPv4 space

A member that has an IPv4 assignment is eligible for a /48 IPv6 address block.
http://www.apnic.net/policy/ipv6-address-policy

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Jan 15 2012, 01:09 AM
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post Jan 15 2012, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(ihsan @ Jan 15 2012, 01:13 AM)
you ipv4 kids probably will love sitting behind a private ipv4 address behind a large cgn tm box sharing one tiny public ipv4 blocks with thousands of other users.

and the moment you want a public address, tm won't either to sell to you or have to pay premium for it.

good luck.

i'm already on ipv6.


Added on January 15, 2012, 1:16 am
dey thambi,

that's assignment to ISPs not end customers.

end customers up to ISPs la to decide. either /48 or /56 or /64.

but be prepared to laugh at ISPs who will give smaller than /64s for routed segment.
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Datuk, you never consider future needs is it?

Where's the talk about TM planning to join the mobile celco foray?
No plans for femtocell? So confident and proud of yer laughable network? tongue.gif
LCLY la tu.
iipohbee
post Jan 15 2012, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(ihsan @ Jan 15 2012, 01:25 AM)
what the hell are you talking about?
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You don't want to launch another TM Touch in future using the HSBB?
TM no plans to reenter celco market?

You sure your MVNOs not going to bang on your table protesting in future?

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post Jan 15 2012, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(ihsan @ Jan 15 2012, 01:34 AM)
you sure you are not confusing me with someone else?

wah lieu, looks like i'm not the only one you have been picking fights lately. wink.gif
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Whose picking quarell? You give a good impression of TM brows.gif

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post Jan 17 2012, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 15 2012, 08:06 AM)
1. That's a loooong line of logic with a lot of assumptions made. Applying Occam's Razor, the simpler way to think of it is that IPv6 and IPv4 are going to ride over the same layer-2/layer-1- it is this channel that determines congestion. Having said that, there *will* be a difference in routes between IPv4 and IPv6, since there's no practical way that all IPv4 BGP arrangements are going to be matched 1-1 isomorphically in IPv6. But it's not right to categorically assume that one will be less congested than the other.

2. At the ISP I subscribed to, they gave out dynamically assigned leases, citing operational reasons. I'll paraphrase what I can remember. Consider this - if you have multiple B-RASes serving the same subscriber footprint, as an upstream router how do you determine which B-RAS to forward a packet to? To do that, you'll need a route to each customer's static prefix - and for a provider the size of TM that's literally millions of routes, so I don't think they'll do this.

Alternatively, if each B-RAS were assigned its own /48 and gives out (dynamic) /64s in its own range, an upstream core router will only need to know one route per B-RAS.
1) We don't need even to consider much and make lots of assumptions. Every TM Streamyx/Unifi users have already come to much conclusion that even with IPv4, they are getting variable results with different ranges.Even myself I've got a range that day which was so crappy, it was not even getting me anywhere: 174.145.174.x. From local/Singaporean server latency to speed, everything was like crawling.

Why IPv6 should give a bit of hope? There are still less users today and chances that you're going to get the "premium-like" ip which most Streamyx users are on the look out for.

2) My stance is still that privacy is every individual's basic rights. With all the scrutinization of social networking sites and blogs going on in this country, the trend is not going to make any fears by the public subside. Of course authorities are not going to make it obvious with their surveilance, who doesn't work along "the wolf in sheep skin concept"? Today it's all about deception and hideous motives.

In attempt of this today people study hard and gain as much knowledge as they can so that they can prevent loopholes as a line of defense and at the same time try to find ways of circumventing an unknown problem(exploit).

Basic human nature in their attempts to equal God.
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post Jan 20 2012, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(ihsan @ Jan 17 2012, 10:21 PM)
duuuuuddddeeeee,

you know how i know you are bullshitting?

when you start putting God into your argument. smile.gif
What excuses did the cronies gave when asked to reveal their their family assets openly to public? brows.gif

Why curi-curi keeping things so secretive?

If you can give us the answer than you might have also answered why people are reluctant to use IPv6? laugh.gif
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post Jan 20 2012, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 20 2012, 12:33 PM)
Ok both of you are going offtopic, knock it off please...
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This would be my last reply here but let me prove myself that my last reply was in all way still relative to the discussed topic.

The answer given by those "cronies" was "it was DANGEROUS"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2195835

Same answer is also for those who fear using IPv6. It allows authorities to track as deep right up to very single device you're using on a private network relating them with MAC IDs?




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post Jan 21 2012, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 20 2012, 03:35 PM)
Well last I checked, IPv6 doesn't make you declare your assets in the packet header.  Please explain convincingly your analogy between them?

As for IP addresses letting you be tracked to your individual device through the MAC address, consider this. I've made a few forum posts here recently with IPv6 and out-of-the-box Windows 7. Vista's behavior is the same AFAIK, not sure about XP.

These are my IPs:

2405:4600:3004:0:5e8:764e:6c64:88ba
2405:4600:3004:0:78bc:d939:b11e:50fb
2405:4600:3004:0:e962:c9a9:8620:d8a
2405:4600:3004:0:f52e:9644:9144:45a7
2405:4600:3004:3:b091:165b:3c98:db0c

Questions:

1) Can you derive my MAC address?
2) Why does my IP keep changing throughout the week?
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Temporary IPv6 Address Cloaking per RFC 3041?

My stance is still that IPv6 should only be used by people who KNOWS what they're doing with their setup.

The DCOMS engineers who are network administrators/ISP are the ones who knows the way around these things.

All these will put the end user at great risk of exposure if they are NOT properly INFORMED and EDUCATED about EUI-64 implementation of IPv6.

Here's why and how they plan to merge your device's MAC into IPv6 with EUI-64. This will be used to assign unique static IP in future instead of manually mapping them with MAC IDs.

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Noticed that your sets of Manufacturer ID and Device IDs from your MAC are cleverly integrated into your IPv6 by reserving the last 8 bytes? If you do not cloak your IPv6 address carefully, what device you're using can be discovered by authorities at your location.Even worst your mobile device such as smartphones will even record all your movement into a secret log like what Apple did last time?

Concerns About IPv6 and Its Background

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The division of IPv6 addresses into distinct topology and interface identifier portions raises an issue new to IPv6 in that a fixed portion of an IPv6 address (i.e., the interface identifier) can contain an identifier that remains constant even when the topology portion of an address changes (e.g., as the result of connecting to a different part of the Internet).  In IPv4, when an address changes, the entire address (including the local part of the address) usually changes.  It is this new issue that this document addresses.

A more troubling case concerns mobile devices (e.g., laptops, PDAs, etc.) that move topologically within the Internet. Whenever they move (in the absence of technology such as mobile IP [MOBILEIP]), they form new addresses for their current topological point of attachment.  This is typified today by the "road warrior" who has Internet connectivity both at home and at the office.  While the node's address changes as it moves, however, the interface identifier contained within the address remains the same (when derived from an IEEE Identifier).  In such cases, the interface identifier can beused to track the movement and usage of a particular machine.

For example, a server that logs usage information together with a source addresses, is also recording the interface identifier since it is embedded within an address.  Consequently, any data-mining technique that correlates activity based on addresses could easily be extended to do the same using the interface identifier.  This is of particular concern with the expected proliferation of next-generation network-connected devices (e.g.PDAs, cell phones, etc.) in which large numbers of devices are inpractice associated with individual users (i.e., not shared).  Thus, the interface identifier embedded within an address could be used to track activities of an individual, even as they move topologically within the internet.
Source: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3041

Is this clear enough?
Most of the regular users don't even know what is DHCP and hex-binary conversions, they are in for big trouble if they choose to use IPv6 blindly.


Added on January 21, 2012, 5:26 pm
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 20 2012, 04:04 PM)
I see why you're thinking that way. You think that $ISP will set aside dedicated copper/wavelengths for IPv6 traffic. I think they'll dual-stack existing links, so congestion that affects an IPv4 user will also affect an IPv6 user traversing the same path.
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It's not I "think", it's by observation and experience.

Why is Streamyx assigning some unusable range of IPs around which differs greatly to some regular ones?
So much that they give awfully bad results to certain server locations and are not standardized?

Hey not fair^^
How come I can't post twice like you above but instead my posts got merged? ohmy.gif

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post Jan 24 2012, 06:00 PM

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I don't want to instill fears but how much can you trust on this privacy extentions alone to protect your privacy?

There's been talks circulating around that IPv4 addresses were NOT actually used up but they were occupied by cronies just to give out the fake sense of scarcity.

SOPA may be knocking on your door one day with the help on the creator of Windows giving out backdoors to reverse the cloaking of the IPv6 temporary addresses.

Who knows?

Chances are:

1) As Asellus pointed out, they may link your addresses to your ISP accounts.

2) SOPA can always get the help from software companies who sells OSes to reveal their privacy extention algos to uncloak you? Mi$ will always stand by authorities side because it takes care of their industry.

3) There's a posiibility of trojans/malicious programs that unkowingly help you disable privacy extentions in future?

DEFCON19 Ipocalypse Discussions and Myht behind IPv4 Running Out Of Addresses?



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post Jan 24 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 24 2012, 08:12 PM)
Oh my god doh.gif You really are clutching at straws now if you're basing your argument on a satirical (if not paranoid) presentation.
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Call me paranoid and the rest of the community who are against supporting IPv6 if you do.

How can you entrust your web usage privacy and put your hope on them to cover your tracks if they are the very same people behind the SOPA initiative?

It's like asking your enemy to protect you?

They'll always try to convince you that IPv6 is ALL safe without flaws. Just like which businessman will not create the ideal situation that favours his own advantage?

The DEFCON is an annual gathering held annually by well known industry experts from top universities and organizations.If they are showing concerns, users should even be more careful.

 

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