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wongmunkeong
post Aug 27 2012, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 01:28 PM)
Wong Seafood, I just finished my UT worksheet yesterday...thanks for intro me to this magic XIRR fungsi notworthy.gif wub.gif
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you're welcomed.
i also buta buta stumbled on it several donkey years ago when looking for an easier way to count all the donkey transactions' total combined CAGR.
being effectively lazy, need to automate mar tongue.gif sweat.gif
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post Aug 27 2012, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 27 2012, 01:31 PM)
you're welcomed.
i also buta buta stumbled on it several donkey years ago when looking for an easier way to count all the donkey transactions' total combined CAGR.
being effectively lazy, need to automate mar tongue.gif  sweat.gif
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With XIRR, just need to lay all the cash flows on the same column with the dates side-by-side, then the current NAV at bottom...voila! IRR keluar thumbup.gif
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post Aug 27 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 27 2012, 02:22 PM)
The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak... didn't make the time to study & analyze what to sell (PM) and buy (FSM) - had my monthly financial tracking last weekend & Raya holidays enjoying the company of my loved ones sweat.gif

I suspect i'd need 2 solid days' focus - to reconstruct my plans (programmatic + opportunity investing for cash & EPF with overall Asset Allocation arcing controls) shocking.gif..
AND LOTS OF COFFEE (oo reminds me.. i'm running out of tongkat Ali coffee blush.gif)
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Me also. but I am not more on the analysis part. I mostly will transfer everything in little by little. Already created a beneficiary account with my parent name. Now just need to see if I go go back hometown to let my parent sign off the register form..


Added on August 27, 2012, 2:20 pm
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 02:15 PM)
Yes, KLCI is peaking, but there's always bond funds...mind u, the bond funds under my portfolio delivers IRR of 8%++ biggrin.gif

High or not, depends on the underlying stockholdings of the fund, the fund NAV price alone tells no story.
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Pink..my bond also at XIRR 8%++ with less than 1.5 yrs.

This post has been edited by Kaka23: Aug 27 2012, 02:20 PM
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post Aug 27 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 01:35 PM)
With XIRR, just need to lay all the cash flows on the same column with the dates side-by-side, then the current NAV at bottom...voila! IRR keluar thumbup.gif
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Well said.

But now a bit skeptical with AmDynamic returns. Used XIRR to calculate, and it's still a bit low as compared to the past trend. We shall see.
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post Aug 27 2012, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 27 2012, 02:48 PM)
Well said.

But now a bit skeptical with AmDynamic returns. Used XIRR to calculate, and it's still a bit low as compared to the past trend. We shall see.
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8.6% is the IRR I'm getting from my holdings in AmDynamic, consider mid-range of its historical returns lar...6% only is low
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post Aug 27 2012, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 02:52 PM)
8.6% is the IRR I'm getting from my holdings in AmDynamic, consider mid-range of its historical returns lar...6% only is low
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I'm getting below 5% for now. My investment in this fund this year only has been slightly over half a year. Not sure if XIRR annualize my returns for me. It should I believe.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 27 2012, 03:03 PM)
I'm getting below 5% for now. My investment in this fund this year only has been slightly over half a year. Not sure if XIRR annualize my returns for me. It should I believe.
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Pls PM me or Wong Seafood for guidance on how to do XIRR correctly laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 03:04 PM)
Pls PM me or Wong Seafood for guidance on how to do XIRR correctly laugh.gif
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I roughly remember Master Wong say correct wor.

1/2/2012 cash inflow
1/5/2012 cash inflow
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.
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27/8/2012 latest investment value

I did not include any distributions like you suggested. Do you think it makes a different that my investment this year alone is less than 12 months?

I maintained 2 work sheets. One is total investment, another one is investment each year (to be include into total investment the following year).
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post Aug 27 2012, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 27 2012, 03:11 PM)
I roughly remember Master Wong say correct wor.

1/2/2012 cash inflow
1/5/2012 cash inflow
.
.
.
27/8/2012 latest investment value

I did not include any distributions like you suggested. Do you think it makes a different that my investment this year alone is less than 12 months?

I maintained 2 work sheets. One is total investment, another one is investment each year (to be include into total investment the following year).
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E.g.

A B C
1 Date - Cash Flow - Transaction
2 01/01/12 -1000 Buy
3 01/02/12 -1000 Buy
4 30/06/12 0 Dividend
5 27/08/12 2200 Valuation

=XIRR(C2:C5,B2:B5)

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post Aug 27 2012, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 03:16 PM)
E.g.

A B C
1 Date - Cash Flow - Transaction
2 01/01/12 -1000 Buy
3 01/02/12 -1000 Buy
4 30/06/12 0 Dividend
5 27/08/12 2200 Valuation

=XIRR(C2:C5,B2:B5)
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Oh, we need include the 30/06/12 too (althou with no value)? I remembered Master Wong asking one of the guy to slash off the whole line.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 27 2012, 03:22 PM)
Oh, we need include the 30/06/12 too (althou with no value)? I remembered Master Wong asking one of the guy to slash off the whole line.
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If u want to maintain record of dividends in your transactions listing, u can do it but maintain ZERO in the amounts field cos its a non-cash flow. Put a zero there and totally deleting the line makes no difference.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 03:23 PM)
If u want to maintain record of dividends in your transactions listing, u can do it but maintain ZERO in the amounts field cos its a non-cash flow. Put a zero there and totally deleting the line makes no difference.
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Exactly. Let me relook at my worksheet tonight. I have a feeling it's cause my investment for this year is less than 12 months. The other worksheet is fine. Cause it includes my past years of investment in this fund.

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post Aug 27 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 27 2012, 03:30 PM)
Exactly. Let me relook at my worksheet tonight. I have a feeling it's cause my investment for this year is less than 12 months. The other worksheet is fine. Cause it includes my past years of investment in this fund.
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XIRR function will annualise your return, cos IRR is always expressed in per annum terms.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 27 2012, 03:11 PM)
I roughly remember Master Wong say correct wor.

1/2/2012 cash inflow
1/5/2012 cash inflow
.
.
.
27/8/2012 latest investment value

I did not include any distributions like you suggested. Do you think it makes a different that my investment this year alone is less than 12 months?

I maintained 2 work sheets. One is total investment, another one is investment each year (to be include into total investment the following year).
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Boss, cash OUTFLOW lar (outflow coz yr $ go out to buy fund units)
...
...
...
Then right - total value of investment (ASSUMING didn't take out cash dividends but reinvested)
er.. i think i'll upload a demo snapshot later tomorrow (kinda tied up today) sweat.gif
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post Aug 27 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 27 2012, 03:39 PM)
Boss, cash OUTFLOW lar (outflow coz yr $ go out to buy fund units)
...
...
...
Then right - total value of investment (ASSUMING didn't take out cash dividends but reinvested)
er.. i think i'll upload a demo snapshot later tomorrow (kinda tied up today)  sweat.gif
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That one typo error, Wong Seafood.

My head is spinning with all the work. Will drop by here again later on.
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post Aug 27 2012, 04:49 PM

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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...nouncement.svdo

For your infomation from Funds Dividend Announcement
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Aug 27 2012, 04:49 PM)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...nouncement.svdo

For your infomation from Funds Dividend Announcement
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u FSM staff? hmm.gif
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post Aug 27 2012, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 05:52 PM)
u FSM staff? hmm.gif
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Why you say so?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 27 2012, 08:49 PM)
Why you say so?
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Cos he post like a staff? laugh.gif

My total portfolio IRR only 4.6%...should I be more aggressive? hmm.gif
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