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TakoC
post Jul 10 2012, 06:25 AM

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QUOTE(Rich_Lim @ Jul 9 2012, 10:18 PM)
This makes AmDynamic more valuable now. Something like ASM, short on cash also won't take out because cant put it back in smile.gif
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post Aug 27 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 01:35 PM)
With XIRR, just need to lay all the cash flows on the same column with the dates side-by-side, then the current NAV at bottom...voila! IRR keluar thumbup.gif
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Well said.

But now a bit skeptical with AmDynamic returns. Used XIRR to calculate, and it's still a bit low as compared to the past trend. We shall see.
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post Aug 27 2012, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 02:52 PM)
8.6% is the IRR I'm getting from my holdings in AmDynamic, consider mid-range of its historical returns lar...6% only is low
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I'm getting below 5% for now. My investment in this fund this year only has been slightly over half a year. Not sure if XIRR annualize my returns for me. It should I believe.
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post Aug 27 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 03:04 PM)
Pls PM me or Wong Seafood for guidance on how to do XIRR correctly laugh.gif
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I roughly remember Master Wong say correct wor.

1/2/2012 cash inflow
1/5/2012 cash inflow
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27/8/2012 latest investment value

I did not include any distributions like you suggested. Do you think it makes a different that my investment this year alone is less than 12 months?

I maintained 2 work sheets. One is total investment, another one is investment each year (to be include into total investment the following year).
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post Aug 27 2012, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 03:16 PM)
E.g.

A B C
1 Date - Cash Flow - Transaction
2 01/01/12 -1000 Buy
3 01/02/12 -1000 Buy
4 30/06/12 0 Dividend
5 27/08/12 2200 Valuation

=XIRR(C2:C5,B2:B5)
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Oh, we need include the 30/06/12 too (althou with no value)? I remembered Master Wong asking one of the guy to slash off the whole line.
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post Aug 27 2012, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 27 2012, 03:23 PM)
If u want to maintain record of dividends in your transactions listing, u can do it but maintain ZERO in the amounts field cos its a non-cash flow. Put a zero there and totally deleting the line makes no difference.
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Exactly. Let me relook at my worksheet tonight. I have a feeling it's cause my investment for this year is less than 12 months. The other worksheet is fine. Cause it includes my past years of investment in this fund.

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post Aug 27 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 27 2012, 03:39 PM)
Boss, cash OUTFLOW lar (outflow coz yr $ go out to buy fund units)
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Then right - total value of investment (ASSUMING didn't take out cash dividends but reinvested)
er.. i think i'll upload a demo snapshot later tomorrow (kinda tied up today)  sweat.gif
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That one typo error, Wong Seafood.

My head is spinning with all the work. Will drop by here again later on.
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post Dec 25 2012, 10:16 PM

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A quick question..

For opening account for FSM, when you fax/email them the photocopy of your IC, did you cross out the IC? First time using such online service so a bit cautious with such procedure.

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post Dec 25 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2012, 10:19 PM)
Of course u MUST

I cross "For iFast Capital /Fundsupermart use only"
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Thanks, PS. You are the most suitable person I can think of to answer to my questions. Thanks! smile.gif

Anything I should take note of? Anything at all..
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post Dec 25 2012, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 25 2012, 10:30 PM)
u are flattering me tongue.gif

nothing in particular, FSM Client Help is very helpful, anything u don't understand, just ask icon_idea.gif
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Yup. Will be calling them as soon as I sent out the email to them. Kaka convince me to open up an account. 1% SC on AQ. I guess I shall make use of it then smile.gif
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post Dec 31 2012, 12:48 AM

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Quote FSM : The payment reference will be your FSM Investment Account number. Your Investment Account number starts with "P" and is followed by 7 numbers. Example: P1234567

I'm using M2U service. So under the description I'm suppose to enter my investment account as the payment reference? But my investment account starts with 'M' and not 'P'.
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post Dec 31 2012, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 31 2012, 07:39 AM)
Brother, M**** is your FSM a/c #, P***** is the TRANSACTION / CONTRACT number. U shd receive an email from FSM after U created a BUY contract on FSM's website. Use that P***** as reference (ie. if MBB2U allows U to type a reference during transfer of $).

FYI - mine a/c also M**** + my purchase contracts are also all P**** + when i transfer from a non-MBB bank, i put in the P***** as reference for the recipient.
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Thx Wong. All done icon_rolleyes.gif

Btw, the XIRR excel you provided some times back. For the cash inflow column, if there is a sales charge of 2% (for example), I assume we only enter the after sales charges (98% portion) of our cash inflow as the amount? Thx thumbup.gif
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post Jan 6 2013, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Hapeng @ Jan 6 2013, 07:36 AM)
I would very much like to join u guys!!
Better get my FSM account activated lol
Anyone going from Puchong area? I'm not really familiar with KL
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The activation process is very simple to be honest.
It was done within 2 hours.
Troublesome part is having to print out he form, sign it and scan it back to them (unless you use fax).
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post Jan 12 2013, 08:04 PM

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I looked into my recent purchase in HwangAQ and noticed there is something weird. It's my first purchase with FSM, so do bear with me.

I bought into AQ on 31 December. But the NAV transacted was not the NAV on that day. I made the payment before the cut off time. It was transacted at 1.0480. I can't seem to make sense out of the 1.0480 anywhere.

Ideas?

P/S : Is it possible for IRR to exceed 100%. Calculated the AQ investment to date and got more than 100% return tongue.gif

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post Jan 13 2013, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 12 2013, 08:48 PM)
I think you get the 1.0480 from the Weighted Average Cost column. So it will be your cost after minus your 1% sc (assuming you get 1% due to new registeration).

Actual NAV on 31-Dec is;

NAV1.0376  December 31, 2012

1.0376 X 1.01 = 1.0480
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You mean after INCLUDING the SC right? That's why cost is higher.

Thanks. Finally got the idea. I always thought they deduct it from your capital and charge the normal NAV price as that date.
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post Jan 26 2013, 08:55 AM

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Will have to OT the next weekend, including today of course. Have fun.
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post Feb 27 2013, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 27 2013, 11:33 AM)
I'm starting to appreciate the work Fund Managers do for us...stock-picking is so stressful...and then when to buy in is also a big headache... sweat.gif

Most KLCI equity funds 5-year annualised returns around 10%...I wonder can I match that sweat.gif
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Why are the shares you are tracking now? Maybe I can give you a tip or two.

I saw you posted about you missing out on BAT and it would have make you gain 1.7% right? I remembered queuing for RM49, but decided to cancel it at the end. Now it's RM56. I would have gain 14%
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post Feb 27 2013, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 27 2013, 01:29 PM)
My buy list:
BAT
GAB
Hup Seng
APM

I queued for BAT at 56.60...that day low was 56.50 if I didn't remember wrongly. sad.gif
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Well, BAT is on the high side for me now. So I won't be touching that counter anytime soon. Quit queue at RM49. Thinking of it makes my bank account cry sad.gif
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post Feb 28 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Feb 28 2013, 09:44 AM)
Hmm.. Thanks Pink!!! Appreciate your advice. Now should I click the buy button!! hahaha...
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If you want you can always opt for some share trade. Lots of opportunity within the next few months smile.gif

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