QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 18 2012, 04:35 PM)
What kind of justification you are looking for?
Salesman talk, I think I have to repeat myself my main purpose is not to cari makan here but rather to share information, I repeated this a dozen times already, so I hope you remember this point after this. I am earning only RM200 from all the pre-launch booking from LYN, that's my arrangement with my manager in order to give out that special package. Assuming I can earn RM1,000 for each Elantra I sell outside of LYN, why I even bother advertising here and sharing information here if my sole purpose is to cari makan?
As I said before, when you compare cars, strip both car bare of accessories and compare them both. When you compare both car in bare form there is minimal effect of profit from accessories, that's where the price difference translate to what's put into the important part of the car, the engine, gearbox and other essential that allow the car roll.
You will then say T and H despite the ancient technology, is a perfected technology, that's why they are charging more for them. I am going to say the price is worth every cent you pay for it, but you are just going to say T and H same pricing blablabla, without realizing those car are overpriced and underspec'ed.
Now for the final sticking point where many people keep asking why Forte can be priced that way. Frankly speaking, I am going to just stick to my said point as above. KIA makes good cars, but Hyundai makes better cars. Before anyone start saying components between KIA and Hyundai are shared, take one example and ask yourself, why Forte suffer from brake pedal sensor(where it allow you to use the push start button ignition), while there is only one such case for my showroom ever since the Tucson/Sonata launched? The case I knew of wasn't even on the Sonata/Tucson but the Santa Fe.
Let me answer you professionally:
1) No salesman comes on Lowyat with no intent to cari makan. If that wasnt your original purpose then u shouldnt have accepted bookings from members rite? You used reverse phychology which u knew would work. Ppl will be more inclined to place bookings with familiar salesmen. In this case, u were a familiar figure although many havent met you yet. So indirectly, through you efforts on lyn, you got bookings. No point denying it. There is no wrong is doing so but to go around proclaiming that you didnt have any intent to cari makan is wrong and inethical.
2) How many salesmen actually get paid for pre-launch bookings? I know of certain car makes that only pay commissions for confirmed sales. So u getting 200 is a big issue and you know darn well that the chances of securing a confirmed sale from a pre-launch booking is far higher than a random walk in customer. So dont make it look like ure doing charity here.
3) You say you went back and forth to SD to try and voice our greviences and you claimed it to be some form of favor u were doing us. But the main reason u did that was to get information yourself because this could be the same questions ull get asked during the launch and after that and u want to be in a position to answer them. It would also be in your best interests to have the car priced lower and competitively as it would boost your chances of securing sales. Again, nothing wrong in that but going around trying to make it look like u were doing us a favor isnt right either.
3) Fine u say Hyundai makes better cars compared to Kia if u take away all the gadgets. Does it also make better cars compared to Toyota & Honda? You say T&H are charging extra for an ancient but perfected technology. So what gave Hyundai the right to price their cars in the same bracket? Do they have some proven tech which has kept users happy for the past 30 years as T&H have? Btw, you gauging the better build of Hyundai cars based on a brake peddle sensor? I thought u were comparing the quality of stripped down versions of both cars minus the gadgets? So how is Hyundai better than Kia without all the gadgets?
4) In 1 post you mentioned Hyundai can't price cars lower cuz of their profit margins rite? But i ask you this question: Who sets profit margins and how are they calculated? The main driving factor behind profit margins are operational costs. So are you telling me the operational costs of developing Hyundai cars is more than 15% of Kia? Since both are sister companies and share the similar tech in some areas, how then can their profit margins differ by that much? Hyundai is considered a 'premium' brand compared to Kia rite? If so why is the Elantra priced similar to Forte in other countries? U mean to say in Malaysia, the profit margins are changed? Operational costs different? If your reasons are because of some insider happenings in Naza then stick to that reason alone. Pointless trying to justify this using the 'premium brand' tagline.
Finally, nobody was bashing you here. If ure in the sales line you would have to accept that u will get supporters and those doubters. If u arent prepared to deal with each one of them professionally, then ure obviously in the wrong line of work. The fact that u keep whining about those who dont follow your line of thought speaks volumes about your profesional approach towards handling customers. Im sure Hyundai being a so called 'premium brand' would give its sales ppl sufficient training on this right?
Anyway, all in all i think ure a decent guy. But u need to keep you emotions in check and not allow a barrage of comments to rattle you. Bear in mind, that none of us would waste our time contributing to this thread if we werent seriously interested in the Elantra. Many of us here agree that the Koreans deserve a chance to prove themselves against the mighty Japanese. We wouldnt bother to comment on something we dont care about would we? Most of us here are professionals and as intellectual ppl we will question and critisize what deserves doubt or critisism. Convincing an existing Korean supporter is only a fraction compared to convincing a Jap supporter (like me) and many of us actually used to like the Japs. Your task (if you choose to accept it) would be to answer us professionally. If you cant, then you might need to reconsider your involvement in this thread. But dont slam the very people who are actually supporters of the Korean revolution.
Cheers!
This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 19 2012, 08:31 AM 
Jan 17 2012, 10:26 AM
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get altis 
I rather top up 8k and get the Altis 1.8G, better FC, resale value, and maintenance 
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