QUOTE(meedoot @ Nov 24 2012, 09:57 PM)
erk, in my experience in foruming it is the other way around!
Military Thread V7
Military Thread V7
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Nov 25 2012, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 24 2012, 11:00 PM) oh.. im silent reader here, and in other threat when indonesia buy some army hardware, some forumer here say indonesia will invades malaysia.. i dont know if that for a joke or not.. just strange, cause we dont have capability for that yet.. |
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Nov 25 2012, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE(meedoot @ Nov 25 2012, 12:08 AM) oh.. im silent reader here, and in other threat when indonesia buy some army hardware, some forumer here say indonesia will invades malaysia.. i dont know if that for a joke or not.. just strange, cause we dont have capability for that yet.. My friend there's a thing called "TROLL" hardly any topic in kopitiam can be taken seriously.This post has been edited by lamir_loco: Nov 25 2012, 12:21 AM |
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Nov 25 2012, 12:31 AM
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Ottoman Airforce (Osmanlı Tayyare Bölükleri)
![]() Tayyareci Yüzbaşı Cemil (Uçman),19.7. 1916 - 26.9.1916 tarihleri arasında Medine'de 3 ncü Tayyare Bölük komutanı olarak görev yaptı. Pilot Cpt. Cemil Bey (Uçman) commanded 3rd Airplane Company at the holy city of Medina during July 19-Sept. 29th 1916. ![]() Pilot Cpt. Cemil Bey (Uçman) commanded 3rd Airplane Company at the holy city of Medina during July 19-Sept. 29th 1916. Sources : Türker Geçer |
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Nov 25 2012, 03:15 PM
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Nov 25 2012, 06:55 PM
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Kihachiro Ueda (Japanese Illustrators) - IJN Yamato
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Nov 25 2012, 07:11 PM
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J-15 take off and landing on board Liaoning
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Nov 25 2012, 07:20 PM
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Ottomans introduced oranges to Oberndorf
![]() The trade of Mauser guns from the city of Oberndorf served as one of the milestones of Turkish-German friendship during the 19th century. (PHOTO AA, ARiF YAKICI) 1 January 2012 / ZEYNEP KILIÇ , OBERNDORF Oberndorf am Neckar is a small city in southern Germany, unknown to many Germans. With a population of 14,000, a river flowing through the middle, cute buildings lining both sides of the river and the woods giving the city a natural background, it is a typical German city. It has a small cemetery. Among many well-tended graves, decorated with crosses and flowers, are two modest ones. As we come closer to one of them and see an inscription reading, “ Ottoman Captain İbrahim Efendi, 1854-1882, ” we wonder what the Ottomans might have been doing in this small German city. Our quest for the answer takes us on an interesting trip back in time. Oberndorf is a small city, but it has fame far beyond its size. Its fame is attributable to the Mauser arms manufacturer, which is known in Turkey as “ mavzer. ” While Turkey tends to regard mavzer as a type of firearm, the name is actually derived from an arms factory that produced hundreds of thousands of arms and sold them to big states in the 19th century. It is even said that if the rifles produced by this company were attached to each other, they would travel around the world twice. The Ottoman Empire contributed to their impressive production by buying its share of guns from Mauser. In fact, the Ottoman state was among Mauser’s major customers. A delegation of Ottoman officials arrived in Oberndorf to discuss a contract and receive firearms training, and these Turks stayed in the city for some time and became very popular among locals. The arms deal in question actually served as one of the milestones of the Turkish-German friendship. Historian Mehmet Beşirli believes that the German arms industry helped avert the financial crisis of 1891-1894, thanks to Mauser’s weapons sales to the Ottoman state in Oberndorf and Loewe, in Berlin. It was largely due to the famous Von der Goltz Pasha that the Ottoman Empire chose Germany over the UK and France as their source for buying about 1 million arms to modernize its army. Beşirli says that Goltz Pasha, an influential partner for German arms companies, acted like the representative to Turkey for German companies during the 12 years he stayed in Turkey. Pasha was trading in İstanbul when he learned about Abdülhamit II’s plans to modernize the Ottoman army. He quickly went to Oberndorf and came back with a weapon specifically produced for the Ottoman sultan. Abdülhamit was impressed with the gun and wanted to buy more for the army. So he sent an Ottoman delegation consisting of experts and military officers to Oberndorf in 1879, but they were unable to return as quickly as they had left. As the Ottoman sultan ordered more and more arms, the delegation had to stay longer in the city. Turks established warm relations with German peasants and they even attended the city’s traditional carnival, Fasching. This festival was how inhabitants of Oberndorf came to know oranges. The custom was that during the festival, people in the procession would throw breads, sausages and candies to onlookers. Thanks to the Ottoman delegation, they started to throw oranges as well. Mahmut Şevket Pasha, the head of the Ottoman delegation, saw that breads called “ bretzel ” were being thrown by the festival procession, and he suggested to Germans that they might throw oranges instead. Germans complied with the pasha’s wish and the Ottoman palace learned about this development. The Ottoman sultan liked the idea very much, and he started to send oranges to Oberndorf during festival time every year. Oberndorf Museum Director Andreas Kussman Hochhalter explains that the Ottoman palace continued to send oranges until the 1920s. Oranges are still thrown during the festival today. Cengiz Taştan, who spent his childhood and youth in Oberndorf, says that he clearly remembers that oranges were thrown during festivals when he was a child. However, he adds, no one except old Germans know that this tradition was introduced by the Ottomans. Taştan indicates that Turks living in the vicinity do not know about the Ottoman presence in Oberndorf, but those who know it pay a visit to two graves in the city cemetery. Mauser, established by King Frederick I of Württemberg in 1811, stopped producing arms in 1946. It was replaced by Heckler-Koch, which now produces hunting rifles and small firearms. In the city cemetery, there are two graves. One is small, belonging to an unknown Ottoman, and the other belongs to Captain İbrahim Efendi. Both are waiting for visiting Turks to say prayers for their souls. - Today Zaman - |
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Nov 25 2012, 09:57 PM
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Nov 26 2012, 09:53 AM
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Nov 26 2012, 11:34 PM
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Nov 28 2012, 01:19 AM
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![]() QUOTE PIC OF THE DAY: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=520...4&type=1&ref=nfGambar ini merupakan sedetik rakaman peristiwa cemas pengepungan amukan seorang lelaki yang disyaki telah melepaskan tembakan liar di Kuala Lumpur pada tahun 1987. Gambar yang dirakamkan oleh jurufoto BERNAMA, Encik Abdul Ghani Ismail ini menceritakan saat cemas tindakan polis dan ketangkasan mantan Ketua Polis Negara, Tun Hanif Omar. Waktu itu beliau bersama anggota-anggota polis yang lain berlindung di sebalik kereta, tembok dan parit. Ketika melihat Tun Hanif Omar keluar daripada perlindungan untuk mendekati sasaran, Encik Abdul Ghani tidak melepaskan peluang, muncul dengan kameranya, terlupa akan keselamatan dirinya sendiri yang terdedah kepada kemungkinan sasaran tembakan. Menyingkap kembali peristiwa yang berlaku, Encik Abdul Ghani menyatakan bahawa situasi pada ketika itu amat cemas dan membimbangkan, namun tumpuan beliau hanya kepada pergerakan polis, terutama Ketua Polis Negara. Encik Abdul Ghani telah menunggu sejak beberapa jam sambil berlindung di dalam longkang, semak dan tembok bersama-sama anggota Unit Tindak Khas (UTK) PDRM untuk mendapatkan ‘shot’ terbaik dengan hanya bersenjatakan sebuah kamera biasa. Beliau bersyukur kepada tuhan kerana segala-galanya berjalan dengan selamat. Sumber: Berita Bukit Aman 1989, Petikan Berita BERNAMA Jan/Feb 89. |
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Nov 28 2012, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE(souless223 @ Nov 22 2012, 01:53 PM) long range missiles from ground to air to ground again(not sure how to phrase it) I'm sorry for the late reply. being very busy.if f-18 were choosen would they get more then the previous expected unit to purchase? also if its to be use for maritime where would it be stored then? SSM as arteyu say. perhaps we have to wait the government decision whether to buy guided version of Astros. Not sure. how many amount most likely 18units Most likely sabah and some rotation. |
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Nov 28 2012, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE Britain offers M'sia RM10bil arms package PETALING JAYA (Nov 27, 2012): The British government has offered Malaysia an arms package which can be worth more than RM10 billion if all options are exercised. The proposed package includes new Hawk jet trainers, advanced frigates, howitzers and future soldier systems for the army, industry sources told theSun. Separately, the British government is also backing the offer by BAE Systems to sell 18 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets for the Royal Malaysian Air Force's multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) requirement. The sources said they do not expect any deal to be signed soon as the offer needs to be studied in detail. In 1988, the British government under the then prime minister Margaret Thatcher presented a similar package to Malaysia, resulting in the procurement of Hawk trainers and frigates worth some RM4.9 billion in 1992. According to sources, the current offer has been made as Britain seeks to boost its defence exports amid severe cutbacks in military spending by the United States and Europe. Furthermore, without a government-to-government deal, British companies are facing difficulties when promoting their arms to Malaysia, the sources said. For example, due to a company-mandated anti-bribery policy, BAE Systems is not working with any local agent to market the Typhoon. "They faced a severe handicap as their competitors, such as the French Rafale and Swedish Gripen, are being promoted by their local agents. BAE Systems has to rely on its own company officials," one source told theSun. The source said it is therefore imperative for the British government to step in to back the Typhoon deal although separate from the arms package. BAE Systems, one of the world's biggest defence companies, also manufactured the Hawk trainers, howitzers and frigates. "If the Malaysian government accepts the arms package, BAE Systems will be the main beneficiary of the deal," the source added. On Oct 29, BAE Systems chief executive Ian King and a delegation were in Malaysia to discuss the company's bid for the MRCA programme. The highlight of the visit was a meeting with Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Abdul Razak in Putrajaya. Apart from Najib, King and the delegation also met Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ahmad Zahid Hamidi and International Trade and Industry Minister Datuk Seri Mustapa Mohamed. Industry sources told theSun King was told the government would use the normal procurement process. King's visit came a month after theSun reported on Sept 24 that Swedish defence and aerospace company, SAAB, had offered a lease-buy option for its Gripen fighter jet for the MRCA programme. sosej |
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Nov 28 2012, 04:04 PM
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heard that the 2 TUDM new Babies has arrived as Subang not to long ago!
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