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post Dec 9 2011, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(azerak @ Dec 9 2011, 07:24 AM)
If u want to be a lawyer,u need a kind of license,u want to be an architect u need a kind of license.so whats wrong with this?at least we dont have any tom d*** and harry working as it personnel.

And this thread get pinned..owai...
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post Dec 9 2011, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(azerak @ Dec 9 2011, 07:24 AM)
If u want to be a lawyer,u need a kind of license,u want to be an architect u need a kind of license.so whats wrong with this?at least we dont have any tom d*** and harry working as it personnel.

And this thread get pinned..owai...
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My reasons for opposing are this:
1. I am against a law that forces people to only hire a member of a certain body.

2. Let the body exist and certify the IT people that wants to join it, but let the industry determine the value of the body and its members through free trade. If the members are less capable than the non-members, then don't hire them. In this way, if the body's certification and membership are of any use, industry will tend to hire them and not others.

3. Producing software is not like medicine or architecture that is a matter of life and death. Certain industries that require better software people (i.e. airlines, military, parts of wireless communication) already have more rigorous hiring process and another certification will not make a difference to them; they trust in their own hiring people, not a piece of paper. Lay people can also produce software, like writing a book, and there should not be a law to stop them from doing so. Even non-accountants can fill up their own tax forms. Are you looking forward to the day when only accountants can fill up tax forms, painters association members can paint your house, writers association can type your emails etc.?

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post Dec 9 2011, 08:43 AM

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i just wonder how if tukang masak gona take a license..job in it field is full ah? so need to apply this bill
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post Dec 9 2011, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(ynot @ Dec 8 2011, 10:00 PM)
on the bright side ... qualified IT professional will be treated as a respectable IT professional with a much more reasonable wages.
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That is one of the objective
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post Dec 9 2011, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(terrance511 @ Dec 9 2011, 12:52 AM)
me IT graduate, doing freelance thing, should i worry ?
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U may need to worry about taking exams to qualify to be registered and probably paying yearly membership
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:05 AM

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What are you all waiting for, lets storm Najib facebook and twitter on this.
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(gallantdestroyer @ Dec 9 2011, 01:42 AM)
The problem is i have an business in mind... As an entrepreneur....
I do not dare to even think what will happen if this law enforce and all the step require to run a small basic business... aih...
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Same here entrepreneur mindset.

QUOTE(satnam182 @ Dec 9 2011, 02:50 AM)
Screw this shit. You can't even think/sketch/build a prototype/discuss/or even email your friend about this new app idea you have if this bill goes live. If you're a developer and you love what you're doing. Then you should be at MOSTI's office on Tuesday to oppose this bill. This is about any political party or any political agenda. It's just that there some really idiot people in the goverment who thinks that they're right about everything.


Added on December 9, 2011, 2:53 amI'm a college dropout and I took up coding as a hobby and it's now my profession. If I had to go through our tertiary university studies to learn how to code, I'd be coding using .NET or Java right now. Those languages are bloody dead or are dying, we don't teach languages that people will use. I only see couple of students from Uni that actually took their own initiative to learn Rails or jQuery and they are the ones that normally gets hired by startups in other country or they are the ones that starts their own startup and become somebody that actually contributes to Malaysian's GDP.
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Sometimes the best coders/designers comes from self-taught, passion & experience, and not from classroom.

If classroom style had worked, then all IT grads MUST be pro in what they do.
But is that the case?

Imagine this bill was passed during the start up time of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg.



QUOTE(satnam182 @ Dec 9 2011, 03:20 AM)
http://www.facebook.com/events/205572512858664/
I did a Dip in Business Economics in KTAR. Took programming as a hobby to edit HTML/CSS for Friendster profiles and then moved to PHP. Dropped out the second year and never looked back.
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Dec 9 2011, 08:35 AM)
My reasons for opposing are this:
1. I am against a law that forces people to only hire a member of a certain body.

2. Let the body exist and certify the IT people that wants to join it, but let the industry determine the value of the body and its members through free trade. If the members are less capable than the non-members, then don't hire them. In this way, if the body's certification and membership are of any use, industry will tend to hire them and not others.

3. Producing software is not like medicine or architecture that is a matter of life and death. Certain industries that require better software people (i.e. airlines, military, parts of wireless communication) already have more rigorous hiring process and another certification will not make a difference to them; they trust in their own hiring people, not a piece of paper. Lay people can also produce software, like writing a book, and there should not be a law to stop them from doing so. Even non-accountants can fill up their own tax forms. Are you looking forward to the day when only accountants can fill up tax forms, painters association members can paint your house, writers association can type your emails etc.?
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This hit home exactly!

IT is different from law and medicine or architecture.

IT can be found in everyday life and be accessed by All levels of society, as compared to law and medicine or architecture.


QUOTE(CyberianHusky @ Dec 9 2011, 08:54 AM)
That is one of the objective
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By whom the salary will be paid?
SMEs?, start ups? Big Companies? Government?

SMEs?, start ups - They rather hire someone who is a dropped out but can delivery, as compared to a fresh IT grad that doesn't have the experience.
I know some people who are so good in whatever they do that, the cert is not necessary at all.

Big Companies - Can pay big bucks but how many people can Intel/Dell/Microsoft hire?

Government - to create another Myemail, Mywebsite, Myfoot is it?

Bottomline - This Bill discourage Entrepreneurship & Passion driven people from being creative.
Since when IT is not based on passion to create & think outside the box?


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QUOTE(lulusantos @ Dec 8 2011, 11:04 PM)
yay now IT guys can hav IR title ..
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:10 AM

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Does anyone know of any other country that has this kind of board?
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(me0wSter @ Dec 9 2011, 09:10 AM)
Does anyone know of any other country that has this kind of board?
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Yes it is under Post #11

QUOTE(sfx3000 @ Dec 8 2011, 08:56 PM)
Anyone caught working as Software Developer, diploma or degree or not, without being licensed by government, will be fined 20k or jailed 6 months.
The key is, the criteria for licensing would be very vague and prone to abuse.
Malaysia is probably the other country to implement this law other than Nigeria (pariah country)
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:14 AM

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Can we change this for a vote? Mod?

1. Support the bill
2. Against the bill

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post Dec 9 2011, 09:23 AM

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oh shi- so i kena apply this liao. where to apply?
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:38 AM

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“Computing”is    a  goal-oriented    activity  to    plan,    architect, design,    create,    develop,    implement,    use    and    manage information  technology 


Does anyone find this statement very wide? Are they gonna start saying that designers need to register too?
Did somebody get butthurt and decided to come up with this whole nonsense?
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post Dec 9 2011, 09:46 AM

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Open Day to review the Draft

Board of Computing Professional Draft Bill for review: An Open Day will be held on 13th December (Tuesday) at MOSTI Block C4, Parcel C Putrajaya.

NOTE: This date is supposedly for the organizations that were represented in the committee representing the draft. However, I felt it is for the benefit of all IT professionals to show up and be able to review the bill as we don’t want what happened recently with the Peaceful Assembly Bill.

Date : 13 Disember 2011 (Selasa)
Time : 9.30 pagi – 5.00 petang
Venue : Dewan Perhimpunan,
Aras 1, Blok C4, Kompleks C
Kementerian Sains, Teknologi dan Inovasi

I'm planning to go.

Anyone going?


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billgate need to apply this license too if he open IT industri here ? lolx
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post Dec 9 2011, 10:02 AM

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Some kid out there would have a nice idea on IT, and he would not be able to pitch that idea as he is not registered it professional.

IT has grow a lot unregulated, open and free. If the an act that is not properly define to pass it will stop it innovation!
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QUOTE(elblink @ Dec 9 2011, 09:46 AM)
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I'm planning to go.

Anyone going?

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Added on December 9, 2011, 10:08 ami think this is good la. because dowan catering company get IT jobs.

/truestory

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open source community members will just read the law, sit on it and give it a loud purrring fart...
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QUOTE(hunt2sp @ Dec 9 2011, 10:17 AM)
open source community members will just read the law, sit on it and give it a loud purrring fart...
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RM20k, jail term. Choose one laugh.gif
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If this bill is passed, I foresee a lot of IT company and IT outsourcing company will pulled out from Malaysia. There goes Cyberjaya. There goes MSC. Also, sometime a IT Professional need to work cross technology. It's already hard enough to get certified by the IT technology company like Mircosoft, Oracle or Cisco. Now we have to get license to work? This will really limit the creativity and growth of IT professionals in Malaysia. Who's bright idea is this?

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