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post May 8 2012, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(CkAmazing @ May 8 2012, 09:01 AM)
Hi Dario,
Your advise is sought.
We intend to buy a new landed property from developer but were told the Sales & Purchase Agreement is based on schedule H.

Details of of the property:
1) landed property (under con)
2) gated & guarded
3) strata title
4) leasehold

There are many similar properties as above but mostly is based on Schedule G.

Would like to know what are the differences between Schedule G & H and its implications:

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If I'm not mistaken, G & G always fall under Schedule H although it is landed. With regard to the difference, there is nothing material with regard to content. It's just that Schedule H is more in length as it contains provisions pertaining to the common facilities, service charge statement, etc. I don't think there's anything to worry about.
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QUOTE(AridEyes @ May 8 2012, 10:13 AM)
Thanks dariofoo.

How long does transfer of consent normally take? Mine is already almost 3 months. Yes, vendor has his own lawyer. Any method to hasten this process? They have submitted application its just waiting for it to be done. I feel like there is no protection for the buyer in this case. This can drag on for years and years... and nothing I can do about it right.
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There's no definite ansywer as to how long it would take.

There's no reason why they would want to drag in on too long. The price is fixed and the vendor will be at a loss if the market value increases and furthermore, with inflation in mind, the longer he waits to receive his money, the more detrimental it is to him.

3 months is still considered ok. If you read the earlier posts there are cases where it stretches to 1 year.
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QUOTE(wahming @ May 8 2012, 10:16 AM)
Hi Dario,

I'm interested to buy 2nd-hand low/med cost property, but I'm unable to find any info online about relevant regulations or policies. Can you advise?

Thanks in advance.
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Call the land office where the property is situated and they'll inform you what the regulations are. It differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(it.fusion @ May 8 2012, 11:31 AM)
its actually pending vendor bank to release the title, vendor informed that she already settle the outstanding, but SPA lawyer keep telling that the vendor bank still not yet release the title....
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Delay by vendor's bank counts as delay by vendor as well.
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QUOTE(jep @ May 8 2012, 05:10 PM)
My developer still haven't release key although it's already past due in the S&P (2 years)...should I consult with the lawyers on the daily penalty? Am I eligible? (Reading the S&P seems eligible) Just that they sent me a letter last month saying they need to fix a few things (Stairs due to hear clearance, Party wall material, and also relocation of TNB's meter)..It's 99% finish to my eyes but I guess they're pending CF..
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Calculation starts from the date you are handed with VP. So, best be patient and wait for that first before anything. On another note, you can't ask the solicitor who acted for you in the SPA (assuming that the developer appointed the said solicitor), so do seek advice from another independant solicitor. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(jep @ May 8 2012, 06:13 PM)
Thanks for the reply..btw what's VP stands for? Can I ask the solicitor who's appointed by the bank?
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VP = Vacant possession/handover of keys.

You can ask that solicitor but you need to ensure that they do litigation cases. Some firms who are on bank panels do only conveyancing cases. So you need to check with them first. Some firms do litigation/convey but are reluctant to sue developers, as they may be on the panel of other developers too.

If the above fails, I would advise you to ask family and friends to recommend a civil litigation lawyer for you. I don't think the case is very complicated and is quite straightforward. Just be careful when you accept the keys. Don't sign any disclaimer or waiver against the developer. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kaiying @ May 8 2012, 07:12 PM)
hi. i would like to share a scenario that happened to my family and hopefully you guys can give me some advice..

so there's this house in damansara that we're living in and thought of buying.. we already told the owner we will rent and if we feel comfortable, we will buy.. so the couple agreed and rent it to us..

after one year staying, my family kinda like it and wanted to buy.. but suddenly the owner refused to sell.. and raised 30% or so of the rental.. total rental per month is close to 5k for a 2.5 storey house. =.="

so ok nvm, my family cool with it and at the mean time keep persuading the owner to sell..  finally, in march, the owner agrees to sell it at 2.6 mill.. despite crazy hiked up price, my family said ok and agree to sign contract in june as the owner will return to malaysia from taiwan..

now out of sudden, the owner would like to raise the price to 2.8 mill.. saying that they consulted the bank and the house is worth 3.1 mill.. (what nonsense). of course, my parents are very mad and refuse to buy...

then now this property agent kept pestering my parents by saying if we are not buying then she will have to hang the 'for sale' sign..  and also kept calling and calling and disturbing my siblings as my parents are always not home..

the thing is.. we signed the rental contract when they decided to raise the rental that we will rent this house until nov, 2012.. so i was wondering if i can help my parents in any manner?? my parents are so mad that they are just scolding and scolding but i dun really know what else can we do..
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With regard to the hike in price, your parents have no choice but to agree with the demands of the vendor if they still intend to purchase the house as there is nothing in writing to bind the vendor to the price of 2.6M. Verbal promises are of no value as it is your parents' word against his. Even if you can prove the verbal promise, it still does not bind the vendor as no consideration has passed from your parents to him in order to secure the promise at that price, eg a deposit.

With regard to the rental, your parents are bound by whatever is stated in the provisions of the tenancy agreement. If it does not provide for early termination of the tenancy, then they have to continue the tenancy until it expires in Nov. Usually, if there is early termination by one party, the rental until the end of the tenure will be considered as agreed liquidated damages and ought to be paid by the party in default. So do check the agreement.

With regard to the For Sale signage, as long as it does not interfere with the use and enjoyment of the premises, I don't see how your parents can object to that as that is the right of the vendor to do so.

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QUOTE(Louiz @ May 8 2012, 07:27 PM)
Who shud i charge the 8% per annum after 90 days after S&P if there a delay, the lawyer or the buyer?
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You mean if there is a delay from the purchaser's side or from your side (or your lawyer's side)?

If delay from purchaser's side, then purchaser has to pay to you.

If delay from your side or your lawyer's side, then the completion date would be automatically extended in favour of the purchaser. So the purchaser gets more time to complete the transaction.
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QUOTE(Hannibal @ May 10 2012, 10:20 AM)
So here's my questions:
1. Am I partially on fault for not chasing the solicitor on the loan disbursement in the first place? FYI, it was my 1st house purchase and I thought the lawyer will handle everything for me....  unsure.gif
2. On the legal perspective, can I get the solicitor to compensate my late penalty?
3. Can it be a full compensation?
4. Since she kept 'forgetting' and avoiding my request, what can I do?

Please advise as I am very very upset with this irresponsible legal firm!  vmad.gif
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1. Not at all. There is no duty upon the client to 'chase' the lawyer to do their work. So don't feel an inch of guilt about it.
2. Well, if the chronology of the bank is more reliable, in the sense that it is supported by correspondence duly acknowledged, then yes, I would say that you have a good case.
3. If the delay is caused by the solicitor, of course.
4. Put in writing a letter requesting for an explanation of the delay and request for a full chronology supported by correspondence duly acknowledged by all parties - lawyers, bank and dev. Give them 7 days to hand it over to you, failing which you will complain to the Adv & Sol Discip Board [see link at first page of this thread]. That ought to shake them up. Send in the letter BY HAND and get an acknowledgement - very important.

Then see what have to say. If you're lucky they would admit to their error and reimburse you the sum in full. icon_rolleyes.gif

Come back here for further advice if things remain as it is after the letter has been sent. smile.gif
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post May 11 2012, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(strawberryee @ May 10 2012, 05:15 PM)
hi dariofoo..
Received from my lawyer below calculation, is it correct?
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Yes, the method of calculation is correct. smile.gif

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post May 11 2012, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Hannibal @ May 11 2012, 03:00 PM)
Hi Dariofoo,

You've been very helpful... really surprised by the fact that I can get decent legal advise on lowyat.net.  rclxms.gif

Since the bank already provided me a full chronology while the developer had admitted some of their mistake and gave me some discount, I will only focus on the lawyer. In fact, the battle was only between the bank and the lawyer as they are pointing fingers at each other. Will prepare the letter accordingly.

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Good. Keep us updated from time to time. icon_rolleyes.gif


QUOTE(Hannibal @ May 11 2012, 03:00 PM)
On the other hand, I recently experienced an almost 40% increase on my maintenance fee and was informed that it was due to the common area electricity being charged as commercial rate instead of residential rate. The developer claim that TNM rejected thair claim to charge residential rate because "this building is considered a high-end condo." They further explain that under the TNB dictionary, even the land title is Residential, they will still put us under commercial rate... is that true? I have check the master title and it mentioned "Tanah ini hendaklah digunakan untuk bangunan kediaman bertingkat bagi tujuan pangsapuri sahaja". I'm really confused now as it was never mention in the S&P whether this is a residential or commercial title. Any advise? The increase is just too much to bear.  sad.gif
Wonder why I had so many problems with my 1st house purchase... really headache. rclxub.gif
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This, I'm not too sure. You can't be too sure also that TNB indeed classified it as commercial by virtue of it allegedly being a high end condo. Is there a letter from TNB to that effect?

What has the JMB has to say about all this? Perhaps they ought to rally with the developer and send in a letter to TNB seeking further clarification and explanation.
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The second post in the first page of this thread has been edited and I've included a real-life sample of a complaint to the Advocate & Solicitor Disciplinary Board for your reference and perhaps as a guideline, since I note that for the past week or so there might be 2 cases here which might to up to that stage. Do feel free to ask any questions pertaining to same.

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QUOTE(syy @ May 12 2012, 12:11 PM)
Hi dario,

I intend to buy a land. From what I know for now the land was a 'kurnia' from the state government to the owner. Just one year plus, freehold although it going to need consent from MB to sell. Now I was told that such a 'young land' would not get approval for the consent and I was suggested to do Power of Attorney (that I will pay the selling amount the the owner and he will lose his right over the land). In the meantime, I will have to reapply for the consent over and over again. What's more, the owner and the family member will not able to reclaim the land. Is this true? I have doubt about this.
I did try to consult other lawyer, they said PA will only worked on the owner. If the owner passed away, the children will have the right to claim back the land. Lawyer advise to apply for the consent and submit together with S&P. But warned me that in case consent not approved, I need to bear the risk that the owner would not willing to repay the deposit that I had paid. I'm in dilemma now, what can I do in order not to be in the disadvantage situation? I wish to buy this land despite all this hassle because it is the most suitable for the project I had in mind. 
Thank you.
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I believe that a PA can bind the successors and heirs of the donor. It can be drafted that way. So, I would disagree with your lawyer with that. See Section 6 of the Power of Attorney Act 1949.

http://www.agc.gov.my/Akta/Vol.%209/Act%20424.pdf

As long as valuable consideration is given to the donor, it would still subsist despite the death of the donor.

However, the problem with a PA is that it is always open to challenge, and it can never substitute a SPA and MOT. It is only an interim solution.

As much as you want this land, the prudent way would be to go through the proper procedure and try to obtain consent. Go personally to the land office and find out the possibility of getting consent. See the officer, if possible. Do some groundwork before any deposit changes hands.

With regard to the deposit, it is a risk which you take. When you sign the SPA you need to pay the deposit.
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QUOTE(mojo_mille @ May 14 2012, 11:35 AM)
Dear Dario,

Appreciate if you could help me on this related to my relative issue on his housing loan.

My query is on litigation of property loan. What happen if housing loan is not been paid for over than 10 years and suddenly the bank just started litigation process.

For all the while, not a single letter received by the bank on default payment. Is there any time-barring for recovery particualrly in property loan? icon_question.gif
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Section 10(4) of the Limitation Act 1953 provides that:
A right of action to recover land by virtue of a forfeiture
or breach of condition shall be deemed to have accrued on the date
on which the forfeiture was incurred or the condition broken.

That would be from the following month after the last payment date paid by him. He defaults in payment the following month, thus being in breach.

For recovery of land, the limitation period is 12 years, and not 6. This is as stated in Section 9 of the Act.

Limitation Act:
http://www.agc.gov.my/Akta/Vol.%206/Act%20254.pdf

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QUOTE(napoli26 @ May 14 2012, 04:11 PM)
hi dario, i juz receive a call from bank and ask me start installment next month, but my lawyer said still need to wait for the title from pejabat tanah then only can get the key, is it normal?
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Yep. Bank loan has nothing to do with your keys. That would've been because part of your loan would've been disbursed to redeem the vendor's loan. That is why you start to pay now itself before the balance is disbursed. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(mojo_mille @ May 14 2012, 04:20 PM)
Thank you very much Mr. Dario.

Appreciate your reply to enlight me on this. But, to be more specific let say he took the loan in 1980 and last payment made was 1990 with some remaining balance. Then, he started to default until now i.e. about 22 years due to loss of income since he had road accident which affects its ability to work.

The bank only started legal recovery this year with enormous interest charges which he cannot afford to pay i.e. at least 1.5x than original loan amount.

So, if he cannot pay and deliquency of more than 12 years, will the bank has the right to foreclose his house?
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From the information which you have provided me, I'm of the opinion that the bank's legal action is time-barred. icon_rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by dariofoo: May 14 2012, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(hbgoh57 @ May 14 2012, 07:59 PM)
Hi there, I've got some questions regarding rental issue..

I have rented out my house to a company that is involved in kinder garden business. Rental agreement has been signed. The thing is, they have not paid the rental for past 3 months...

In the agreement, it is stated that I can re enter the house 3 days after the due date for payment.

My questions are,

1. Can i reenter my house after making a police report based on the agreement?will I be at fault legally?
2. Can i just seize back my property since it is used for business purpose?
3. Will it be wise(financially and time) to sue the company for not paying rental and refusal to repaint back my house?
(I estimate the total amount including rental in the region of 10-15k)
4. If I wish to lodge a complain against this company, who should I go to?

Please advice. thanks
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1. If the gate/door is locked you can't re-enter, even if you lodge a report. You will be deemed to have trespassed.
2. You can't just seize it back. You need to follow the procedure stated in your agreement. If there is a breach, usually one month's notice of termination must be issued.
3. You would have better knowledge of the facts and background of the case to decide yourself whether it is wise or not.
4. Complaint in what sense? This appears to be a civil dispute which points to it being resolved in Court, if any. The breach is purely contractual.
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QUOTE(hbgoh57 @ May 16 2012, 12:51 AM)
1. What if i were to enter the house together with the police?

2. The problem is I dont even know where the main office of the company is to serve a written notice..I used to communicate with them by email.So is giving notice by email considered valid?

Many thanks for your prompt reply
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1. It is still not in accordance with the law.
2. Follow the address in the rental agreement, since you said there is one. Whether giving notice via email is valid or not also depends on the agreement. What has been agreed and put in writing shall be binding upon all parties.
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QUOTE(milo84 @ May 16 2012, 01:48 AM)
hi dario,

kindly assist me in answering this question.

i bought a property (townhouses with one block of apartment) last year around apr 2011. signed s&p and loan approved already.

but up to now, not much have been done construction wise. only the piling still (it is a 3 year project). however what upset me the most is that the developer has changed the master plan and add on another block of apartment and reduce the no. of rows of townhouses.

i feel cheated because i when i did signed for this new plan. i feel this makes it a higher density area and less exclusive.

so, if i want to withdraw my purchased in view of the above matter, will i still be penalized by the developer and the bank? do i still need to pay to get out of this (the bank has not disimbursed yet)
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"i feel cheated because i when i did signed for this new plan. i feel this makes it a higher density area and less exclusive. "

The above is the basis of your complaint right? Is there a representation by the developer that the project will be an exclusive and low-density area? Is it anywhere in the SPA? Even if it is, is it a specific representation and guarantee that goes to the root of the contract and formed the basis of how you agreed to enter into the SPA?

If not, there is absolutely no concrete ground for you terminate the SPA on the above basis.

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QUOTE(Jars7818 @ May 16 2012, 11:41 AM)
Good morning Sifu ...

Can help me check on the lawyer fees? Property price is RM 710,000

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Kindly use the calculator at the first page to calculate your fees. Then you can compare with the many samples in v1 of this thread.


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