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post Jun 9 2013, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(syaffiq.najmie9 @ Jun 8 2013, 11:07 PM)
maybe dont give ur betta eat for 1 day before you put in aquarium
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I did give my betta to eat because I thought it didn't have anything to eat during shipment from supplier to the betta shop

QUOTE(edmund90 @ Jun 9 2013, 12:20 AM)
Maybe too old liao leh.. usually fish from lfs age is unknown n might not b disease free.

FUrthermore, mayb ur tank setup got problem.
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The fish was new stock, just received from the shop I bought it from. Shipment of over 1000 betta fish, about 300 HM.

My tank setup was ok for my current betta (the video I posted), didn't have any problems. I do daily water change. My sand and rocks were washed thoroughly before introducing it into the tank hmm.gif
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post Jun 9 2013, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(abesabraham @ Jun 9 2013, 03:52 PM)
You can't just soak the bag to "acclimate". That is not acclimate. That is just soaking a bag of water, and temperature in Malaysia don't vary as much.

If you want to acclimate, you need to mix the water from your tank into the bank SLOWLY for at least 1 hour.

And that is drip acclimating, using an airline tubing. If you want it to be easier:

1. float the bag for 10 minutes
2. every 5 minutes add water slowly say, half a cup.
3. Until it is almost full then only transfer the fish AND DO NOT DUMP THE BAG WATER INTO THE TANK.

using this method, I have never had a new fish die but I use only drip, because its much safer and it is the only proper way.
im sorry but I think you should do much more research. Acclimating a fish is the very FIRST STEP to learning to keep fishes. I donno y so many ppl in malaysia donno this very first step. The amount of ppl that I have seen killing their fish from ph shock is omg.  cry.gif

secondly, changing the water everyday is extreme to the fish. Because imagine your water parameter changing everyday, you cant even get used to it. Thats why people say always do a fishless cycle before adding fish if you want the best for your fish. Say one water change 20-30% 3 times a week, then reducing in the next week and so forth until once a week change.

With a fish in cycle, you need frequent water changes, but not everyday.
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And another mistake that a lot of fish owners do is, disturbing and severely vacuuming the gravel/sand after a long time.

After a long time, anaerobic bacteria and waste builds up in the soil/gravel/sand and when people do a severe and thorough cleaning you release these gas bubble build up from bacteria and waste and often it kills the fish. Because of the toxicity in the bubbles, it also causes the ammonia to spike insanely high. Gentle cleaning, is fine. Even more get some MTS snails to dig in the soil to keep the soil aerated. Or dont disturb your gravel too much.
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Okay. I made a mistake for not adding water into the bag and wait longer because I was kinda eager to see him swimming about. Pardon my ignorance. By the way, thanks for the info.

I understand that changing water everyday may shock the fish, but problem is that I have not cycled my tank yet. I know the dangers of high ammonia levels (I know myself because it killed my goldfish many months ago) when your tank is not cycled, and thus the only way to remove or minimize ammonia is by water changing for now. I read that the dangers of ammonia spike is way more than the effects of very frequent water changes causing "shock". For now, I don't have a master test kit to check for Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrite...but I am considering one actually hmm.gif

Thanks for the info again icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(abesabraham @ Jun 9 2013, 05:24 PM)
A fish in cycling is basically what you're doing now, it is not unheard of, it is actually the old method of doing things. Not saying its bad, you can still do it.

Here is a thorough guide to doing it http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f12/f...ide-176446.html

and good luck with everything.
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Thanks for the info smile.gif

Btw, I'm looking for more premium food as a staple diet for my betta. The one I'm having now is super el cheapo, RM4.50 for like 50g sweat.gif

I saw this: http://www.fishforums.com/forum/bettas/334...s-bettas-2.html

Many unavailable here hmm.gif

QUOTE(clementhui @ Jun 10 2013, 03:41 PM)
hi all sifu .. i'm not sure if this is the correct section to post but my gal betta fish has been acting weird lately and the fins are starting to drop / rot... there was a while where he didnt like to swim... what may be the cause?? she's been changing the water regularly and into a solitary mini aquarium ... 

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(abesabraham @ Jun 10 2013, 08:17 PM)
Best fish food I found to be:

New Life Spectrum. Can be a lil pricey, but it is top dog notch food.
I feed all my fishes NLS pellets. But the ones that I have found are sinking pellets. There are floating ones but you need to find. Price ranges from RM20-RM60 per tub. One tub can last quite some time say 6 months?

There is a NLS betta formula too.

Brings out the colours like crazy.

Also it produces less waste than Hikari.

But the best diet you can give ur betta is a variety of foods. sticking to one food is okay but best is variety.

This is what i do: NLS pellets as a staple, freezedried bloodworm and krill, crushed algae pellets as supplements for guppies and smaller fishes.

My predatory fish get NLS pellets, shrimp and fish fillets, chicken
Here is one of the ingredients of NLS pellet range:
whole antarctic krill meal, whole herring meal, wheat flour, whole squid meal, algae meal, garlic, soybean, beta carrotine, spirulina, vegetable and fruit extract (spinich, red and green cabbage, pea, broccoli, zuchini, tomato, red bell pepper, kiwi, apricot, pear, mango, apple, papaya, peach), vitamin A, vitamin E, vitamin D3, vitamin B12, niacin, folic acid, followed by a bunch of protien stuff and 3 sulfates

lol literally gourmet food for fishes!
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Where did you get NLS pellets from? I could only find them from ebay. Minimum USD20 including shipping to Malaysia.

I do have some frozen bloodworms as I checked that they have better nutritional values than the freeze dried ones, but kinda trouble some as you have to always put them back in the freeze after use. Might consider freeze dried ones smile.gif
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post Jun 11 2013, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(abesabraham @ Jun 10 2013, 10:57 PM)
Can buy from most well stocked LFS. Like Fish Depot, 88 Marine. Most LFS should have it.
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I searched Fish Depot and 88 Pets Mart liao, they don't sell the betta type. Only general fish food sad.gif

QUOTE(infrasonic @ Jun 11 2013, 02:56 PM)
where do you guys buy frozen bloodworms? which one is better btw? i heard if buy cheap quality live food your betta might get sick easily, might even get dropsy. i tried finding in a LFS near my house but they're not selling it. got a pack of rm1 food from them, not sure what food is that but they told me it's good for small fish. repacked by themselves and is small round pellets brown in colour like most of the food out there xD
oh and i've been feeding my betta with 3 pellets (sometimes 4) everyday, will it be enuf?
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You can try:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-LIFE-SPECTRUM-...=item20cf2a6307

Top rated fish food for betta smile.gif

Btw, I only feed my betta 4-5 pellets daily. They say Betta's stomach is only as big as their eye balls wink.gif
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post Jun 11 2013, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(whitehawk @ Jun 10 2013, 09:16 PM)
bacteria in a bottle???
where can get?
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Go for API Stress Zyme or Seachem Stability. Dose them into your filter to establish a bacteria colony and promote growth smile.gif

QUOTE(infrasonic @ Jun 11 2013, 07:43 PM)
i'm finding for bloodworm actually.. xD
maybe i would buy this food when my current food runs out
btw is the shipping really free? sounds too good to be true, rm30 product only. even delivery in malaysia need rm10 liao..
anyone tried buying before?
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What RM30?

New Life Spectrum Betta pellets go for USD10, add another USD10 for shipping. All in all, USD20+ smile.gif
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QUOTE(infrasonic @ Jun 11 2013, 07:52 PM)
coz the link u showed me just now says USD9 and got free delivery worldwide XD
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I'm not sure what you saw. Shipping address is probably set to USA by default, hence what you saw as "free shipping"

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post Jun 11 2013, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(infrasonic @ Jun 11 2013, 08:00 PM)
then maybe becoz u got log in and the country set to malaysia dy xD
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QUOTE(abesabraham @ Jun 11 2013, 08:34 PM)
No need to use the betta formula, the normal type with thera A+ is good enough if you cant find it in msia smile.gif
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Ahh I see.

Btw guys, how do you all deal with fin rot?

I would like to check my water chemistry for ammonia,nitrites and nitrates. Any kind soul willing to lend me some strips of paper? tongue.gif

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post Jun 11 2013, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(abesabraham @ Jun 11 2013, 11:11 PM)
Dont bother with test strips. They are highly inaccurate. Get the API freshwater testkit. It is the most accurate. RM120 and it will last you for a lifetime.

Fin rot you can buy the fin rot meds at the lfs.
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Oops, I actually mean the test kits from API smile.gif

API does sell those 5 in 1 test strips (nitrite, nitrate,ph, high range PH and something else), do you mean this?
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post Jun 12 2013, 03:40 AM

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Btw, my betta's gills has this thing (yellow circle). What are those? I hope it's no infection or something... hmm.gif

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post Jun 12 2013, 04:21 AM

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QUOTE(syaffiq.najmie9 @ Jun 12 2013, 04:06 AM)
look at ur picture seems your betta fish is sick..better u ask otai2 because i also newbie in betta..

now i also recovery my betta fish. have pop eye and bloating because not care about water change..
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I checked back my picture I took of him when I just got him, it's already there hmm.gif
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post Jun 12 2013, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(kiminha @ Jun 11 2013, 12:49 PM)
not because of the dry fert alone. it is due to the farmer also. smile.gif
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QUOTE(edmund90 @ Jun 12 2013, 09:12 AM)
Why you all keep betta till so miserable geh? Need scare this and that..
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Fin rot case usually use Aqua Salt 1st, if not working then yellow powder or fin rot medicine (i prefer melafix).

-kytz- : the gill thingie is normal if it flare too much.. nothing to worry, but the fin rot thingie u better pay more attention otherwise u feed wat expensive pellet also no use.. From the pic, the fin rot is consider quite serious liao..

For everyone reference, every time u WC add lil bit of Aqua Salt. As a preventive measure for disease and let the fish calm down faster. But this doesnt mean put liao salt the fish wont  get sick.
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How much salt to add? I read that one teaspoon is enough?

QUOTE(abesabraham @ Jun 12 2013, 12:56 PM)
Your fish looks like it has ammonia burn and fin rot.

Get the fin rot medicine and dose according, add abit of salt too. and monitor.
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Yeah. Gonna check on Melanie. Btw how about Betta relax?
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post Jun 12 2013, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(abesabraham @ Jun 12 2013, 01:32 PM)
Buy aquarium salt not table salt. And then follow instructions. Table salt has iodine in it. which is bad for fish in big amounts. Table salt also has anti caking agents.

U can just buy any medication that says it is for fin rot.
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Yeah, using aquarium salt, bought in Irene Aquarium. Not the branded ones from API though...came in a plastic bag lol

QUOTE(syaffiq.najmie9 @ Jun 12 2013, 07:22 PM)
just buy api fungus cure 1 sachet for 10gallons.
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Or Melafix by API hmm.gif

QUOTE(edmund90 @ Jun 12 2013, 10:40 PM)
1 tablespoon of salt can kill your fish liao lo... become ikan masin

anyway depends on your tank size..

Betta Relax is like IAL/ketapang extract.. But in Msia u can like find IAL at anywhere on the floor.. ><!!
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Referring to here hmm.gif

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To treat with AQ Salt in your quarantine tank:
Take a clean cup of some sort to mix clean tank water and salt in. Take a small amount of the QT tank's water out and into this cup. You're mixing the salt before hand because when not dissolved, it burns!
Add in 2 teaspoons per gallon of Aquarium Salt into this cup and allow it to dissolve fully. Stir it around to mix faster. 
If the fin rot is very advanced,  up this dose to no more than 3 tsp salt/gallon of water. Pre-mix in 2 tsp as above. After 1 hour, add in one more tsp/gallon of the salt. You are staggering the amount to assure the fish isn't stressed by so much salt. (In total, this will equate to 3 tsp/gallons. So, if you have a 1 gallon tank, you've added 2tsp at first. Later, you add 1 more tsp, for a total of 3 tsp.)
Add the salt/water mixture back into the QT tank gently so it wont knock around your fish.


http://bettasplendid.weebly.com/fin-rot-101.html

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post Jun 19 2013, 05:56 PM

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ATTENTION: I just found Attison's Betta food at East Aqua for only RM28!!!! I read this is a top notch betta food.

Couldn't find New Life Spectrum though...

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post Jun 20 2013, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(syaffiq.najmie9 @ Jun 20 2013, 04:02 AM)
can show link for us?! biggrin.gif
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http://www.fishforums.com/forum/bettas/334...ods-bettas.html

Btw, my Betta almost committed suicide just now. Saw the fella lying on my floor. Thank God, it was still alive when I put it back to my tank sweat.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 09:55 AM

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post Jul 10 2013, 06:21 PM

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My new Double Tail betta is showing slight fin rot. Took him out of my 30cm tank and quarantined in a plastic jar. Added some salt for treatment. Hope it all goes well smile.gif

Btw, I have another betta to give away. Suffered quite a bit of fin rot but nevertheless quite healthy. It was actually my first betta wub.gif Giving it away because I already have another betta and some glofish to take care..too much work for me to handle sad.gif Location is KL/PJ. PM me if anyone wants it. Thanks smile.gif
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post Aug 1 2013, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(lulu0307 @ Aug 1 2013, 11:07 AM)
Any idea where can i get those? Can't seem to find some pretty ones at fish shops nearby..  :/

further to that, may i know how to differentiate betta splendens and betta imbellis?
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How big is your aquarium?
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post Aug 4 2013, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(GOO @ Aug 4 2013, 03:30 PM)
Bro, I am from Miri too. You know which fish shop got sell high quality betta? Planning to get back to betta keeping and breeding soon. Or you get yours online?
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Not sure what is high quality to you. This is my standard for high quality (It's mine btw):

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post Aug 4 2013, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(GOO @ Aug 4 2013, 03:51 PM)
i would say more towards pure solid color. you know, like pure white without any red or black or pure red without any iridescent, black or blue.
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One colour only? Not too difficult to find smile.gif

Also there are many types such as plakat, Halfmoon, crowntail, etc

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