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tashfinsheikh
post Dec 6 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Frogcat @ Dec 5 2011, 08:45 PM)
But you look at the way he talk, can he talk nicely? Or will he ask his whole family to come & talk, nicely? Or come & argue again? Actually we all know the answer, he won't talk nicely, he won't settle things in win win situation, he just wants to exchange the games that's it, so.... best is I don't want to waste my time on him, I can close case at anytime, & I'm not desperate to sell him, I can go on with my business still.

I just want to clear my name, bcoz he launched the report in the 1st place, & yet don't want to answer what he shd, & I've answered every questions asked by all frens over here, with strong evidences to support.  nod.gif

Lastly, pls take a look on how ppl complaint about him, he can't even communicate well, I've problem with that as well, when face to face.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2135790
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First of all, No agreement were made.

and 2nd of all , If there was an agreement for me to buy games from him (so called bathches) then he is not allowed to sell any games to anyone or anyother person and don't deserve the right to change the document

I found several proofs that he changed the document, (Game List (3) is the doc before COD, and Game List (4) is after COD)

you can check it and see he is tempering with the document and taking several games out that he doesn't want to sell to me

and forcing me to buy 2nd batch when I agreed to buy more games from him, not the blue games from the list....

I didn't confirmed which game's I wanted to buy from him...

and that he said

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But you look at the way he talk, can he talk nicely? Or will he ask his whole family to come & talk, nicely? Or come & argue again? Actually we all know the answer, he won't talk nicely, he won't settle things in win win situation, he just wants to exchange the games that's it, so.... best is I don't want to waste my time on him, I can close case at anytime, & I'm not desperate to sell him, I can go on with my business still.


Bro , I never talked to you in any bad way, you were the one using abusiv/offensive language against me, and you posted that this is the first step after that I openend this topic, you were the one that threatened me 3 times to report me to fkk topic not me..

Kindly look at the conversation and see.






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post Dec 7 2011, 02:14 PM

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Here is an example of our conversation for those who haven't read the whole part.

Customer : I want to buy Assassin's Creed 2 + DLC, inFamous 2 + DLC, Fifa 12, Battlefield 3

Seller : I have Assassins Creed 2 + DLC and inFamous 2 available

Customer : I want to pay for Assassins Creed 2 + DLC for inFamous 2 I will buy it after several days

Seller : It is for xxx

Customer : Will it include the dlc

Seller : yeap it will include the dlc , xxx with dlc and this is the price without dlc xxx

Customer : Ok , lets deal, I want the dlc one

Seller and Customer dealt and seller gives customer the game

After that

Customer : Where's the DLC

Seller : I forgot to include the dlc, i will include it with our next deal,

Customer : Assassin's Creed 2 comes with 2 DLC , I thought it comes with both DLC's not 1

Seller : for xxx do you think I am a fool to give you both dlc

Customer : But you didn't stated that it was one dlc only, I asked if it comes with dlc you gave me 2 prices , 1 with dlc, the other without dlc

Seller : OK, pay for inFamous 2 and I will minus some of the cost from AC2 from inFamous 2

Customer : but I wanted the DLC ? without it how can I play the game properly ?

Seller : You should pay for inFamous 2 or I open a fkk thread on you

Customer : Solve my first issue after that I will buy inFamous 2 from you next week , I thought I could buy it from you this week but I got some personal issues so I will buy it later next week.

Seller : You said you will buy inFamous 2 , go to hell, i will open an fkk thread on you

Customer : I said please resolve my first matter first then we will deal with the 2nd one but after this

The customer feel offended : He wrote several offended words to me, why should I buy from an Ill-mannered guy

Seller :
Lets do this , I give you the 1 dlc this week
but you have to buy inFamous 2 next week Monday or I will report you to fkk thread.

Customer : I don't agree with your rules, why is it always you pointing out the rules and forcing me to buy inFamous 2 when I want to solve AC2 issue first, and I will from now on won't buy anything from you.

Seller : you are a young jerk & cunner

Customer : Ok, go ahead and report me

Seller : This is the first step :
"Guys beware a young cunner & cheater PSN game seller is here cheating everyone" or something like that , I quoted him but our post got deleted.

Buyer : You took the first step I will take the next step and I will take the 2nd step and open a thread on you.

Buyer open a thread that he is Ill-Mannered and forcing me to buy inFamous 2 from him....

Buyer even asked him to solve the issue : like refund the money and take back his game... (He rejected)

The seller comes and say that you should buy inFamous 2 and started giving evidence that the buyer agreed to buy inFamous 2 and completely ignoring the first issue.

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And for some questions :

First of all we agreed to COD at 27th night, but he was busy so he pospone the COD date to 28th

and that whole day he was busy selling his games to some other people, if he thought that I bought all the games than how come he still selling games ?

2nd I didn't agreed to buy 59 games from him, he just said 59 were available and I said these 25 I want to buy now, the rest are 2 or 3 that I will buy tomorrow

I didn't said anywhere that I will buy 34 games from him

and during the COD he was suppose to bring the whole acc or deck and clarify me at the COD location but instead he said he forgot to bring it and he will give it to me later so I thought he forgot to bring the whole set.....

Third : if he thinks I agree to buy all games, why didn't he wrote on his topic that all games are reserved for me ? and kept on selling and removing some games from the list ?

4th : If he thinks I bought all games from him, than he broke the promise and took some games out of the list and there our agreement was destroyed.

5th : He said to me , "Go to Hell" and "I dun care how ur mom thinks" and "now ur parents overseas, so funny" and "ur a jerk & i dun like cunning jerk"

and he wrote : if I want to sell this in sets, I edi pull out and sell it" so this clearly states that he had cheating intention on me and was not willing to sell all his games to me, if he finds a better offer than me he can sell it to them and if he cannot than he sells to me ?

Uploading the evidence's....

If you have read the whole conversation that's the summary.

So if anyone can buy from an Ill-Mannered guy like him, so please come to me , I will also insult you, your parents, and then force you to buy games from me and threaten you to open fkk thread.....

Some pics as proof :
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here it shows :
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that I said I will buy the rest 2 or 3 games after several days (so called batch 2nd)

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and one more thing : kindly read the whole conversation.

and He is always trying to force me to accept his T&C so that "I will chose the games I want was a counter attack for him taking out Cricket games"

and for Eye of Judgement , I will clarify it today after a while
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post Dec 7 2011, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ace98 @ Dec 7 2011, 02:34 PM)
TS, i personally do think that, you void the original agreement. it's your fault for misunderstanding the EoJ thing. even i was able to understand that 1 comes with the cards 1 comes with nothing, nothing more, nothing less. and you originally agreed to buy everything, but now, using the EoJ as excuses, you don't wanna buy everything... you just try thinking from the seller side, won't you be angry too?
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Buy everything thing was void canceled , as soon as he said that I cannot sell everything at 1 shot, so whats the point ?

and if he was intended to sell everything to me, why did he sold several of his games to other people ?
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post Dec 7 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ace98 @ Dec 7 2011, 02:50 PM)
he's selling it batch by batch because you said you there was transaction limit, and thus, have no choice but to sell it batch by batch, unless u're willing to wait until you bank in all the money, then he COD with you with everything, but most of us won't be willing to do that,right? and for the part he's selling to other people, it's because you haven't respond to him for a long time. you said you will buy everything, but you have yet to confirm with him, so he has the right to sell it to everyone, imagine if he reserved everything for you, ended up you said you don't want, then what will happen?
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bro thats where you think it is wrong,

the first list was sent to me after 1 month, that one month between that we were not in contact, we got in contact on 23rd Nov

After that he gave me 244 games list and said he won't sell 60 games from that

and on 27th I said lets COD that night and he didn't and said he busy and said tomorrow night we COD and tomorrow whole day he didn't talked to me and I was waiting for his reply.

and in that period 27~29 he sold 3 games....

if he thinks he reserved for me, then why did he sold them ? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 7 2011, 06:08 PM

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I said to him to bold out those games that includes acc, but he did not

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so , why didn't he bolded them out ? he agreed to bold them ?

so I thought every RM80 games will be with Acc cuz he said himself
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post Dec 7 2011, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Frogcat @ Dec 7 2011, 06:26 PM)
Bro, I show evidences man, to clear what he complaint, I answered every questions man, but he didn't, y I can't call him cheater? Which I prove he's a cheater?

I didn't want him to buy my games now, I just prove to the public that, I didn't sell or hide any games I promise to him, by saying this over here, pls bro, do you think this fella still gonna get those games from me? His intention is to ffk in the beginning, can't you see it?

By talking about the games in the list, is because he wants me to exchange it to others games, which is not fair to me, if he wants to exchange, then he should grab those under 1st batch, clear?
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how did you proved that I cheated

Answer this 2 questions

Did you took some games out of the list after our 1st COD ?

Did you provided me any acc for EOJ ? any ?

so who is cheating here ?


Added on December 7, 2011, 6:29 pm
QUOTE(Zeeraq @ Dec 7 2011, 06:25 PM)
Its' Frogcat fault for assuming he'll buy the rest 34 games When tashfinsheikh clearly states 2 or 3 games.

Since when did he gave him the original price so you can say the discount is RM 500 + I you read the whole conversation you can see Frogcat stated that he'll give discount to everyone who'll buy from him in batches.

When did i say that he was wrong for selling those 3 games? Can you plz tell me which message?

And in the whole conversation where did Frogcat stated that the discount was RM500 for buying in bulk? How do you know this that no one knows here I think even tashfinsheikh doesn't know it.
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well I would like you to prove it that he provided me RM500 discount biggrin.gif

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post Dec 7 2011, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 7 2011, 06:40 PM)
To be fair, looking at the manner you replied; I think you are trying to pick on words that was quoted after you had made your complaint. Now you are trying to find faults with what was mentioned post this topic.

Your initial complain is only on the EOJ with additional accessories which again had been answered by frogcat and we can clearly see that he never mentioned accessories but only additional card which is why the higher price.

The RM80 with accessories only came about after he mentioned here in this topic which you are now trying to pick on. i.e. in the 1st place you didn't even know why the higher price of RM80 which if you had asked previously you would know. Your "assuming" only happened when he mentioned it in this topic. Else for ppl like me or common guys would have thought that RM80 is because of the rarity in getting the game or of more higher popularity or even newer games.

Then your next complain is on him forcing you to buy. Which if I read the conversation, you did indirectly tell him that you're going to buy. Then when everyone pointed that out, you started to "defend" to say that the fact that he sold off the 3 games had violated the "terms". If indeed it does, then you would have eventually brought it up in the conversation in MSN or even in the starting of the topic instead of waiting for a few pages only pinpoint on it. When you didn't bring it up immediately me as a 3rd party would have thought that you are ok with it.
The point on accessories is already mooted. You have no points against it already. Your second point on the games taken out could still be considered but again, like I mentioned above.
Anyway, to both and all; I do agree with many that this is not considered a "dispute" but a big misunderstanding. However if we do not allow this topic, I foresee this will dragged to the main console forum. Thus I'll let you guys "TRY" and settle it here. If no agreement or it still keeps dragging, I'll be considering closing this topic in the next 1 or 2 days.


Added on December 7, 2011, 6:44 pmAnd what about the RM500? When was this brought up? Like someone mentioned; I didn't see the "RM500" mentioned anyway until you brought it up. Did I missed something.

The only thing I noticed is he agreed to sell something at RM60 since you bargained and he agreed to it.
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1) I respect you , This guy is calling me cheater again and again and even using offensive language against me. (see post #75)

2) 2nd deal was never made with him, and this chapter is closed

3) and now also he wants to sell 34 games to me when in fact I didn't agreed to buy 34 games

4) I am saying him to solve my EOJ issue, and if you think I didn't bought the game with acc but with cards, but he haven't provided me the cards yet also

Am I cheating him ? and is he allowed to use offensive language ? so that means that there is a rule for some people to use the offensive words and some people are not allowed to ? i saw a couple of my friends getting suspension for using offensive words....


I just want to get EOJ issue solved nothing else...
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post Dec 7 2011, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(terryfu @ Dec 7 2011, 07:08 PM)
Guys, lets just leave them a bit awhile. Can see that we all also may have slightly different understanding of the MSN conversation. Communication is only 20% words so there are many perceptions when one says this and another say that going on. every line of it has an assumption going on in Tash & Frog's head.

b00n has already stated his piece  rclxms.gif

And again I reiterate, let Tash state what he really wants since he started this topic and see if got any settlement. If nothing happens further, this thread will be closed and we can all go back watching our regular channels  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Solve EOJ issue and close the topic....
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post Dec 7 2011, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 7 2011, 07:35 PM)
Read this again and tell me how to interpret:
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1) At 4.24pm you confirmed 25 games.
2) Then within the next second, frogcat asked "What about the rest"
3) Then you buy answered you will it tomorrow.
4) Which again frogcat confirmed with you on the total i.e. 59 at 4.25pm.
5) And you replied "will buy the rest of em"
6) After frogcat mentioned he need to travel multiple times, you mentioned at 4.26pm asking him to give you 25 first and the rest to pass it to you when he is free.

So if my math is correct and if I understood the conversation perfectly 59 - 25 = 34. Which you had told him you will buy. The 4.26pm conversation indirectly telling him to reserve the 34 games for you already.

Yes you have the right to complain that even after the promise, he sold off 3 games. However like I pointed out, that conversation on him selling off the 3 games was before this conversation which you agreed to be buying the 59 games. Frogcat had upfront informed you he sold off 3 games and send the new list to you; so if you don't intend to you should not have replied "will buy the rest of em" and even ask him to pass the rest to you when he is free.
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I said "the rest are 2 or 3" that one will buy later when he is free. and those games were not available at that time

"Cricket Games"


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post Dec 7 2011, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(valkyrie5034 @ Dec 7 2011, 07:37 PM)
I apologize if I assumed wrongly but to me, Frogcat said he will give a RM20 discount for each title if buyer takes more than 10 & ALL the batches. If I interpret it wrongly, again I apologize for my mistake.

How this incident occured is actually very simple, it was due to tashfinsheikh's failure to understand Frogcat's terms that he has to take all the games, not pick the ones he wants. If tashfinsheikh had known they could not deal if he only wants to buy some of them, would this issue happen? I would say this was caused by tashfinsheikh's carelessness and he should admit his mistake and just apologize to Frogcat.

If however tashfinsheikh had understood Frogcat's terms and still proceeded with dealing with him, then this would be a scam (which I hope not). As he tricked Frogcat into dealing by saying he agreed to COD on Tuesday when he actually did not. In any case, I hope you two can work something out and settle this case nicely.
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The RM20 off was for 1 game that (EOJ + Deck)
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post Dec 7 2011, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Dec 7 2011, 07:40 PM)
well ts, for my opinion, i think u r at fault for the problem, firstly, the seller frog yes he was guilty for nt informing u on the EOJ acc thing, but he tried to resolve the issue by offering u an exchange n give u discount on future purchases which u had agreed beforehand........

u had agreed beforehand to purchase all the first, second n third bulks frm him ...........n the seller also kept his promise by reserving those titles for u at a cheap price, but midway thru the deal, u suddenly say the games nt interesting n u already hav it n u dun wan buy anymore............so whos fault is dis nw?? frog agreed to reserve those games for u, he might be able to sell off those games instead of reserving it for u n since u agreed to buy it, he reserved it for u, n bcos u suddenly bailed out, he had lost alot of business here........

n u say u already hav some games that the seller listed for the 2nd bulk, but if u already hav those games, why would u still agree to buy the 2nd bulk beforehand?? u could just tell the seller which bulk of games u wan at first when he sent u the list on the very first day of the deal itself......its ur fault for nt checking properly which game u already hav n din hav......... n when the seller agrees to reserve all the games u initially agreed to buy, n reserved it for u, then u sudenly say u dun wan sum games frm the 2nd bulk n wan cancel the deal, is dis fair to the seller?? dun say frog, if its any seller out thr, they wil also feel very angry wif ur actions,

i c it more like u actualy oni wan the first 25 games, but u wan buy it cheaply, so u tell the seller u wan buy all.......n get a big discount, then when u got the 25 games, u suddenly dun wan buy anymore n cancelled the rest of the deal.........
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kindly read this whole topic that I answered all of the above things....
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post Dec 7 2011, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(valkyrie5034 @ Dec 7 2011, 07:45 PM)
I mean the RM1.5k for 25 titles when the actual price should have been RM2K (in the case you don't take all batches as promised).
Frogcat agreed to RM60 because he thought you will be taking the rest (34 titles).

Since you DID not take all as agreed, there should not be any discount in the first place.
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That was not the deal, the deal was RM1.5k for all 25 games and one of the games in 25 games list he wanted to sell it for rm1520 but later he told he didn't wanted to bargain about it anymore....
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QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 7 2011, 07:54 PM)
You are now very confusing. From my understanding the RM1.5k was because the limit which you had. So which is which now?!

And the bargaining part I think everyone gets it except you. Initially he is selling one at RM80. Thus when you ask him to sell it at RM60, he agreed. The statement "RM20, don't bargain anymore" is a figure of speech where he gave in to your request. Thus it's RM1.5k total, i.e. RM60 each.
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I told him, I can withdraw RM1.5k only cuz my transaction limit for that day was reached.

so for 25 games he said RM1.5k is fine biggrin.gif

before that he said RM60 for EOJ without deck and RM80 with deck.

So his original price was not RM80, his original price is RM60 for each and everygame whoever buys in bulk


Check this reply :

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Added on December 7, 2011, 8:04 pm
QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 7 2011, 07:54 PM)
You are now very confusing. From my understanding the RM1.5k was because the limit which you had. So which is which now?!

And the bargaining part I think everyone gets it except you. Initially he is selling one at RM80. Thus when you ask him to sell it at RM60, he agreed. The statement "RM20, don't bargain anymore" is a figure of speech where he gave in to your request. Thus it's RM1.5k total, i.e. RM60 each.
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so for RM20 discount was for 1 game only (EOJ + Deck)

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post Dec 7 2011, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 7 2011, 08:05 PM)
OMG! The misunderstanding goes deeper.
If I understand the message, it's meant to read that whomever buys in bulk will get RM60 which your assumption is correct. However for the EOJ with cards it'll cost RM80 which he did explained some of the list the games are priced at RM80.

The RM60 is for the majority of the games if buys in bulk. Else if buy 1 by 1, it will cost more. That's what I understand.
Now I would suggest both of you to meet up and shake hand and admit the big misunderstanding in between. As well both to have an open mind, not only to think from one's perspective.
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I agree, and please ask him to give me 1 deck at least , my hands are itching to play that game sweat.gif
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post Dec 7 2011, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Dec 7 2011, 08:14 PM)
He will sell that EOJ to you for Rm60 with the deck, from what I read.

and in return, you will buy the rest of his games for RM60 each. Agreed?
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He just didn't wanted to bargain for RM20 for (RM80) game....

with my 1st order of 25 games.
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post Dec 7 2011, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Dec 7 2011, 08:26 PM)
He's giving you a discount of Rm20 for god's sake! for that EOJ flat at 60 instead of RM80

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So now, you still have to buy the rest of his games (NOT the 25 games you've bought) based on the agreement that both of you had
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Yeap, he gave RM20 discount for EOJ.

and the rest are 2 or 3 games that is Cricket Game that has not been returned from the renters of that game.

after it gets return I wanted to buy it...

That was the meaning for the rest games....
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post Dec 7 2011, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(nairud @ Dec 7 2011, 08:41 PM)
No matter how i look at it, he will sell all his games in a bulk for Rm60 each.

You bought his games for Rm60 for the 25 games, so in principal, you must get the rest of the games that he's selling too. No?

if not why would he be selling RM60 per game to you in the first place

both of you clearly have miscommunication here and both of you are better off meetup and sort this out
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All games = 1 shot he wasn't able to sell it himself so I agreed.

if you read mezzi-quan latest post(post#146) you can understand.

I bought 25 games and 25 games is a bulk order, and i agreed to buy 2 or 3 of the rest games that were (Ashes Cricket 2009 and International Cricket 2010 )
as I thought.

For RM60 part, he said whoever will buy bulk from him will get the same price and he posted it openly for everyone to see.... (It's not a special deal for me only)


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post Dec 7 2011, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 7 2011, 09:16 PM)
To tell you the truth, I've inquired and from my observation you 2 both had a communication gap.
After I grilled him, my observation is he does indeed had a problem communicating well. But then again, some times we can't fault the other party for it. So like I say, let it rest. Just give him the EOJ cards then forget about this whole big misunderstanding. That's my advise.
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I agree with you
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post Dec 7 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Frogcat @ Dec 7 2011, 09:22 PM)
I can accept this offer as well, but I will get few frens to COD with him, & make sure there's more then enough witnesses to confirm I pass him 1 deck with a total of 34 (proper & original) cards, & will voice recording everything down in front of him, & his parents...
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involving his friends means he want to fight. he is openly saying that he is looking for a fight....

he is threatening me.... mods kindly take note about this....

what does he want to record ? we did anything bad with you when we were COD'ing , we offered you KFC meal, we did anything bad with you ? we said anything bad with you ? did we quarrel with you ? what do you want to prove ?


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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Dec 7 2011, 09:35 PM)
clearly ts is the wan who is wrong here, assuming 28 as 'everything'........... n din clarify it after dat, causing seller to lose alot of business,

perhaps thousands of ringgits, n those few bad words cn redeem the loss for seller?? seller is already gud enuf to forgive ts for his mistakes..........
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He did not reserved any game for me, you can still check his topic....

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