Prior to this I have never use or heard of the EC11, it is not a popular Yinhe bat. More popular ones are the T, K and V series.

Oh ya, While checking for info, I also saw EC11 bat in Lazada,

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/galaxy-y...s133612913.html?

Very much cheaper compared to the one on Shopee.

I have this old list of Yinhe bat. I am not sure how accurate the data is, someone gave to me many years ago, You can compare the ratings between the different models of Yinhe bats. It has also. a special mention if it is a clone of a more expensive bat. This list is very old, there are alot of new bats that are not listed there.

Within the Yinhe range, the EC does not seems to have good stats if compared to the other yinhe bats, so I think you should avoid it. As you can see from the list, EC is "Engineered Carbon", not sure what that is. It is not the regular Carbon plate composite bat.


Model Speed Control Weight Ply Thickness Blade Classification

CN (Children series)
896 8 7 80+-2 5 6.7+-.2 allround
898 9 7 95+-2 7 6.6+-.2 fast
966 7 6 100+-2 6 6.2+-.2 allround

(DL special carbon series)
DL-1 8 9 86+-3 3+2WC 7 off (balanced looping)
DL-2 8 9 86+-3 5+2TC 5.8 off (fast looping)
DL-3 9 8 85+-3 5+2UC 6.3 off (fast looping)

(Earth series)
E-1 8 9 88+-3 5 6.0/5.5 off
E-2 8 10 85+-3 5 6.0/5.8 off
E-3 8 9 88+-3 5 6.0/5.5 off (med-soft)
E-4 8 9 85+-3 5 6.0/5.8 off (med-soft)
E-5 9 8 85+-3 5 6 off (hard)

(Engineered Carbon series)
EC-11 8 4 n/a 5+2EC 6.2 off
EC-12 8 5 n/a 5+2EC 6.8 off
EC-13 8 4 n/a 5+2EC 5.7 off
EC-14 8 4 n/a 5+2EC 6.3 off

(Classic pure wood series)
H-1 9 8 88+-2 5 7.0+-.2 fast
H-2 10 6 90+-2 7 7.0+-.2 fast
H-3 9 6 88+-2 5 7.0+-.2 fast

(Kevlar-Carbon series)
K-1 10 8 87+-3 5+2KC 5.8+-.2 off
K-2 9 8 87+-3 3+2KC 6.0+-.2 Butterfly Kong Linghui Special (medium-fast)
K-3 8.5 9 87+-3 3+2KC 6.0+-.2 medium
K-4 9.5 8 83+-3 5+2KC 5.8+-.2 Butterfly Timo Boll Spirit (medium-fast)
K-5 10 8 85+-3 5+2KC 7.0+-.2 Butterfly Viscaria (medium-fast)
K-6 9.5 8 85+-3 5+2KC 6.0+-.2 Butterfly Michael Maze (medium-fast)

(Li Qian defensive series)
LQ-1 6 9 n/a 5 n/a def
LQ-2 5 9 n/a 5 n/a def

(M Pure wood series)
M-1 8 7 86+-2 5 6.0+-.2 medium-fast
M-2 8 7 86+-2 5 6.0+-.2 medium-fast
M-3 8 6 88+-2 5 6.0+-.2 medium
M-4 8 7 90+-2 7 5.6+-.2 fast (Butterfly Petr Korbel)
M-5 10 7 90+-2 7 6.6+-.2 Stiga Clipper
M-6 9 7 86+-2 7 6.0+-.2 Stiga Clipper

(Microcrystalline series)
MC-1 9 8 85+-2 5+2+MC 6.0+-.2
MC-2 8 10 86+-3 5+MC 5.7+-.2 Stiga Optimum
MC-3 10 7 86+-3 7+6+MC 6.0+-.2 Stiga Carbo 7.6
MC-4 8.5 8 88+-3 5+2+MC 5.8+-.2

(N Pure wood series)
N-1 9 8 80+-3 5 medium-fast
N-2 9 9 80+-3 5 fast
N-3 9 9 80+-3 5 fast
N-4 8 8 80+-3 7 medium-fast
N-5 8 8 80+-3 5 all-round fast
N-6 8 8 80+-3 5 all-round fast
N-7 7 7 80+-3 5 all-round fast
N-8 7 7 80+-3 5 all-round fast
N-9 7 7 80+-3 5 all-round fast
N-10 8+ 6+ 80+-3 5 6.4+-.2 all-round
N-11 8+ 6+ 80+-3 5 6.4+-.2 all-round


(PL special wood series)
PL-1 8 8 84+-3 7 6.4 off (smash and loop)
PL-2 85+-3 5 5.6 off (smash and loop)
PL-3 8 7 80+-3 5 6.7 all-round (for beginners)

(Cypress carbon series)
T-1 10 7 86+-3 3+2C 7.4+-.2 Butterfly Schlager Carbon (fast)
T-2 9.5 8 76+-3 3+2C 6.4+-.2 Butterfly Primorac Carbon (fast)
T-3 10 7 85+-3 4+3C 6.8+-.2 fast
T-4 10.5 6 85+-3 5+4C 6.0+-.2 fast
T-5 10 6 88+-3 5+2C 6.0+-.2 fast
T-6 9.5 8 80+-3 3+2C 6.0+-.2 medium-fast
T-7 9 8 88+-3 5+2AC 6.0+-.2 medium-fast
T-8 10 8 86+-3 5+2AC 6.0+-.2 fast

(Balsa carbon series)
T-10 10 7 70+-3 3+2C 10.0+-.2 fast
T-11 10 8 68 3+2C 7.0+-.2 fast

(Uranus series)
U-1 10 7 87+-3 7 6.6+-.2 off (hard)
U-2 9 7 86+-3 7 6.0+-.2 off (hard)

(V Series, replacement for K series)
V-14 9.5 8 83+-3 5+2KC 5.8+-.2 Butterfly Timo Boll Spirit (medium-fast)
V-15 9.5 8 85+-3 5+2KC 6.0+-.2 Butterfly Viscaria (medium-fast)

(Carbon King series)
W-1 9 7 86+-3 7+2 6.1+-.2
W-2 9 7 86+-3 7+2 5.8+-.2
W-3 9 8 86+-3 3+2 6.3+-.2 Butterfly Kong Linghui Special
W-4 8 8 82+-3 3+2 6.4+-.2
W-5 9 9 85+-3 5+2 5.8+-.2 Yasaka Soft Carbon
W-6 8 10 82+-3 5 5.7+-.2 Yasaka Gatien Extra

(Thin carbon series)
Y-1 9 8 82+-3 3+2 5.7+-.2 off
Y-2 9.5 8 82+-3 5+2 5.9+-.2 off
Y-3 8.5 8 82+-3 5+2 5.8+-.2 all
Y-4 8 8 82+-3 3+2 5.8+-.2 all

If possible buy from the regular sports shops, online sometimes can be risky. As for the Mercury II rubber, RM19 each is very cheap. Buying rubber can be another complicated thing because there are so many types of rubber.

After thinking for a while, I think that Palio 2 Star Expert is a good buy ( if they really have the AK47 or CJ8000 rubber on it ) and should be good enough for at least 1 or 2 years, during that time you can slowly find him a better bat. Besides, 11 yr old may not be able to take care of an expensive bat. There is another alternative way to get a good table tennis bat. If you dont mind second hand ones, you can get very good deals from second hand market.

Ya, I think this is a good bat for its price. Should be good enough to play for a while. However dont expect too much from it, it should be good enough for now. Normally these bat have sharp edges at the place where you grip bat, try to use a hard round object, like the screw driver rod, press on the sharp edges, that should sink the wood sharp edge to make a comfortable hand grip. Out of curiousity I found another Palio pre-assembled bat, Palio 3 star bat, that one is confirmed using the AK47 rubber, which is better than the CJ8000. Maybe you can try find out about that bat as well.

Anyway, I think the Palio 2 Star with CJ8000 is good enough.

Thanks, that will be nice. I am also curious how the whole Palio package looks like. Maybe I will recommend it to other people as well.

In the meantime, just to share my bat. This is my bat bought in 1990, I stop active playing since 1997. Since then, I just have casual games every now and then. However, I am planning to be active again and hopefully I will join some tournament on my bats 30th anniversary.

Currently, I have DHS Hurricane 3 Neo on it ( cannot afford the Butterfly rubber anymore ). These Chinese rubber, surprisingly are quite good even when compared to the more expensive Japanese rubber. If you noticed the spot on the red rubber, the rubber is not defective, the spot is caused by my finger moving up and down ( backhand rubber ).




My bat is called Sardius, a Hinoki-Carbon composite bat from Butterfly.



As you can see, that two black lines are actually carbon plates inside the bat. I have also re-inforced the handle sides with Teak wood veneer.

This post has been edited by tsd: Aug 14 2018, 10:37 PM

oops.. picture is so big.

This post has been edited by tsd: Aug 14 2018, 06:48 PM

Palio 2 star is a all wood bat for sure. You cant get a decent composite bat at that kind of price.

What is the total weight for that bat ?

For an all wood bat, ussually lighter bat is more towards a more controlled game while heavier ones are for offensive use. The good thing about your bat is its rubber, its the palio CJ8000, which is an ITTF apporoved rubber and it is quite a decent rubber for an all rounder play. This bat will not be very powerful, it will help your kid to learn the basics, eventually he will have to upgrade again when time comes because I am very sure one day your kid ( if still have interest ) will find it under-powered.

As for quality of the wood, we dont know because we cant see what is under the rubber. Before you start playing make sure you blunt the sharp edges where he grip the bat, else he will complain the rubber cut his hands. Dont use sandpaper, just use a hard rounded object to press the sharp edges, the wood will sink in to become smooth edge.

This post has been edited by tsd: Aug 27 2018, 03:37 PM

175g is a very nice weight. Your kid wont complain about it being too heavy now.

I personally do not protect my bat rubber with plastic film, too much hassle. Some people do use protective film, some people keep the entire bat in ziploc plastic bag. As for me, I just dump the bat in a table tannis bag.

As for cleaning rubber, I normally clean the rubber by soaking facial cotton in water, squeeze water out and rub rubber surface to clean away dirt. Try not to use water from the tap directly as it contains chlorine ( needs 24 hours to evaporate ). Clorine can damage rubber. I use the plain bottled RO drinking water, like the jantzen brand drinking water.

This post has been edited by tsd: Aug 27 2018, 08:34 PM

Yinhe V11 to V16 uses Kevlar/Carbon ( similar to Butterfly Arylate/Carbon bats. They try to clone Butterfly bat like Cofferlait (V11), Kong Ling Hui Special(V12), Timo Boll Spirt(V14), Viscaria(V15). Micheal Maze(V16) ... ), not much difference between all of them, some minor difference in weight and hardness, all of them plays quite similar.

Yinhe V1 to V4 uses Zylon/Carbon. ( still quite expensive ). As for these, I never played with them before.

This post has been edited by tsd: Aug 29 2018, 11:02 AM

wow, it is good to see more children picking up this game. Hopefully in the future our country will become a table-tennis super power.

Oh ya.. may I know the weight of the DHS bat that you have bought ? The reason I asked is because ussually DHS pre-installed bat are quite heavy.

forum 19 is at 2, Jalan 19/1b, Seksyen 19, 46300 Petaling Jaya , I heard they are quite active.


This post has been edited by tsd: Oct 8 2018, 08:42 AM

Thanks for the info, everyone told me that the DHS pre-assembled bats are super heavy, looks like not the case for the R6002. I agree about the need for proper training system. Proper foundation is very important especially for table tennis. Players without proper foundation often find themselves intimidated and out of place when play against those players with proper foundation.

Players without proper foundation will normally be sidelined by players in most of the table tennis center ( not all, some do welcome total beginners but will still be sidedlined by thier advanced players ). In some places, they will be sitting at the bench waiting for chance to play, often felt left out and lose interest after a few session. Sad but it is true, I have seen so many of such incidence that kills alot of kids/adult interest in table tennis. So, it is very important to bite the bullet to learn the correct foundation to in order to be able to "blend in".

Not only able to "blend in", once a person have the proper foundation, it is also easy for a person to catch up with "advanced players" that has played years ahead because at one point, foundation will be the same, game outcome will depend on strategy of play.

It is a good sign that that recently alot of new table tennis center appearing everywhere ( unfortunately alot of them charge very expensive for training classes ). Lets hope more table tennis center will appear with cheaper training rates that are affordable. So that everyone can build their foundation before they can all enjoy playing table tennis everywhere. If any of you spot any of it, please share it here.

have your kid start playing with the bat ? did he like it ?

If I can recall correctly, in the 90s we have the 999 brand and the friendship 729 rubber, both very tacky. Like a layer of glue on it. Not sure still have the 999 or not. Nowadays more popular chinese tacky rubber is the DHS Hurricane series, however there are many versions of it. So you have to ask your seller for your preference, some are more tacky, some are less tacky, some are softer, some are harder, some are heavier and some are lighter, some are more expensive, some are cheaper.

I have seen many youtube training material, some are quite good and very nice to watch, it is good to see alot of videos to get training ideas.

However, I noticed some training video are not really practical. For example.. some youtube coach ask you to do certian things, they forget that different people has different height and body built, some of the suggestions may work for some but may not work for some people. Some players have good eye-sight, some dont, some have good hearing, some dont, some have strong legs, some dont... different body built will influence the way a person play. You will still need some real physical training from coaches, coaches can see and adapt the game according to the persons body built.

You can try use the youtube video, if you see no improvement, try other video, if all fails... you will probably need to engage with real person coach to make adjustments. The coaching period dont have to be very long, because once the correct foundation is formed, it is auto pilot. If the youtube video works, it will be great because it can save you alot of money. Coaching can be quite expensive nowadays but sometimes it is worth spending the money.

Another way to get free coaching is to join a club where there are some lonely old experts, they are always eager to give tips for free ( only trouble, sometimes it could be worse, no harm try out if no good, just discard, if good get more tips )


This post has been edited by tsd: Oct 8 2018, 07:57 PM

Good to hear that he is progressing, next is to put him in tournament. Lose or win does not matter... everytime you do that, you will notice his confidence grow.

Personally, apart from school level tournament, I started taking part in open tournament when I was about 12 years old. First few tournament very nervous and panicky but after many many tournament, that feeling no longer exist. It is good to get over that feeling from young because when you reach real competative age, you cannot afford to have any nervous feeling in any tournament. Even some of our national players still have that nervous look when they play in tournaments, normally spells disaster.

This post has been edited by tsd: Oct 8 2018, 08:07 PM

You do not really need "advanced" lesson, what you need is a very strong foundation.

Once a strong foundation is acquired, it is all about practice. In table-tennis, "advanced techniques" is very much easier to learn than the foundation. Play special attention to the "forehand topspin/drive" stroke. This is the basis to almost all the other strokes in table tennis. That is why when you walk into any table tennis center, competition you see people doing forehand topspin/drive during their practice. Even in highest level tounament, you will still see players doing that during their warm-up session.

Once you get that stroke right, you are almost in the "auto piliot" mode. Most table tennis center will judge you by looking at how you perform that stroke, if you can't do it properly, most likely they will avoid you. If you can do it properly, you will surely be more welcomed and you will get alot of practice.

One more thing, after paying money to the training center, do not assume that they are teaching your kids. You will need to check on them to see if they really learn.

good to see u back again, I think we chat here before long time ago. Are you still playing ?

I am trying to get back to playing but just cant seems to be able to find a suitable place to play apart from my old nerve problems that comes back to cause me trouble every now and then.

Ya, that is part of the problem. At least must of some kind of guide for the teachers, even though they do not know how to play. Even if the kids can hold the bats correctly, by taking turn to just hitting the ball across the net can still give a tiny benefit to the kids exposure to table tennis.

oh ya... just to inform all of you, there is a online sales promotion on Hurricane 3 neo

https://www.tenryu.com.my/store/DHS-Neo+Hur...od_id=1568&in=1

RM95 for 2 pcs of Hurricane 3 Neo

They are almost the same, H3 is the older version, where last time people would use speed glue to expand its sponge, hence stretched the rubber, making it very powerful ( speed glue is banned now ). Without speed glue, the normal H3 rubber is quite bland. Although speed glue is banned there are still other ways to expand its sponge, nowadays they use thing called booster.

To use speed glue/booster effectively, you need special skills. You can make a very powerful rubber out of the normal H3 or you can ruin it.

H3 Neo uses a different kind of sponge and it does not need speed glue or boosting. You can use the H3 Neo right out of the box. Although H3 Neo out of the box, may not be able to match those crazy speed glued/boosted traditional H3, H3 Neo is still nice and good enough to play a good game.

So... for easy life, just get the H3 Neo. If you want optimum performance with boosting job, you can get the normal H3 ( but no guarentee that the boosting will work or perform better or perform the same each time you boost ).


This post has been edited by tsd: Oct 15 2018, 10:08 PM