Still it is very hard playing against veteran with inverted + lp comb tht is very good with FH drive/loop as well.
It needs a lot more skills and consistency from inverted BH players to overcome these players.
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Still it is very hard playing against veteran with inverted + lp comb tht is very good with FH drive/loop as well.
It needs a lot more skills and consistency from inverted BH players to overcome these players. |
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QUOTE(ccf1162 @ Feb 11 2019, 04:32 PM) It's not necessary play at fast pace , SP can play defensive too like Gao Jun , Ding Song . Actually SP speed is not faster than the smooth . Traditionally SP is always for close table game. to master mid table your arm swing needs to be extremely powerful.So why everyone says SP is fast? Sp is fast because it has an element which smooth doesn't , resistant to spin. So in theory SP can hit through every topspin ball so u doesn't need a big drive to loop but just hit through it. Because of looper need bigger looping moves so they won't hv enough time to loop at the best point again and partially also because of SP sinking effect. One of the important point is playing with SP is that u can't hit a ball with 10/10 of your power except smashing high ball, the maximum strength on forehand drive is 7-8/10.Once exceed the limit , errors will pop out either net or out. Can u share yr equipment ,either yr blade is too powerful or sponge too hard. Advice : if u bad in smooth is because u use generate too less spin, if u bad in SP is because u rely too much on spin But if u want to loop with SP, I recommended u to watch a chinese player : Chen Longcan. For speed : Jiang jialiang I hope my comment can help u, getting lesser and lesser ppl playing SP spin and speed goes hand in hand. further than mid table , a dead ball smash will never ever be faster(wind resistance) than a strong top spin hit(difference air pressure at top n bottom of spinning ball creates down force), with max power using modern carbon blade and tensor rubber. The topspin dynamics curving down allows full power hitting and still be able to land on the table. This is already established scientifically, chinese player since 80s are all fast spinner(super tacky rubber) with powerful stroke. In the modern era no one in right mind will use sp on FH in singles. You've already put yourself in handicap in mid to far table rally. |
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QUOTE(ccf1162 @ Feb 11 2019, 05:46 PM) Yes ,I agree. SP since the era of European chopping to Chinese fast attack is set for close table , the European and chinese hv always stand close table. But I don't prefer looping from far table like kim taek soo because even though it looks cool but when u finished looping ,u are exhausted. 40+ ball is definately slower and influence by spin greatly compare to 38mm, 40mm. For LP the spin are always reactive, you are already at the mercy of opponent spin controlled. its a new game since 38/40mm days.SP mainly play ball placement and faster than opponent |
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QUOTE(ccf1162 @ Feb 20 2019, 09:45 PM) But I believe SP is coming back because the ball has changed into abs and 40+, research says that even though 40+ affects velocity by 10% but spin affected by 20 to 30%. Chinese player also reported that the ball is becoming smoother and slippery after playing some time. My experience with 40+ balls was only about 14hrs+ of play. using 1 star for training and 3 stars for matches. the bounce of 1 star is definately horrible. many occasions i thot it hit some dust on table. and my old T05 practically cant drive if too dusty... i had another bat with a new sheet of nittaku G1 slight tacky harder top sheet, the spin is back on with an unfamiliar arc. It definately slow down the game a lot for control sake. |
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QUOTE(tsd @ Feb 20 2019, 02:41 PM) do you know where to get cheap 40+ training ball ? I saw some cheap ones on shopee but dare not buy from them, scare fake balls. I have seen some fake table tennis ball, so bad that it cant even bounce. you can try presports.com if you dont want to travel. their price is reasonable, occasionally got promo. I usually visit tht site for price reference. and search in lazada.I dont know whats your budget like but generally 3 stars seamless 40+ prices are pretty much the same. |
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QUOTE(tsd @ Feb 21 2019, 02:53 PM) oh thanks I will check the presports. Training wise generally use 1 star or 2 stars, any reputable brands will do. No one really cares about the ball quality of training balls unless u are pro.What type of ball people normally use for training ? last time when I was active playing was the 38mm ball. Maybe I should get the 40+ to practice. The 3 star is a bit expensive for 100pcs, so I am thinking of 1 star balls. Not sure which brand is good. I dont want to end up buying 100pcs of balls that is out of shape/weight and cant bounce properly to ruin my training. I want to make comeback, next year I can even play in the veteran category haha.. |
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Appreciate anyone can message me forum19 contacts? I wish to walk in saturday/sunday morning.
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How bout every saturday evening?
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Anyone here wants to play Saturday? at Forum19?
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QUOTE(tsd @ Mar 27 2019, 05:39 AM) Very different from me, looks like everyone is different. I love competition. Being in a competition has a different kind of feeling, you cant get if you dont compete. Over the years I still play table tennis for the sake of exercise, I only bounce ball on the wall and whack ball over the net at home. Feeling is totally different. Although I do wish to play active again but unfortunately I cant. a good player has correct stroke(weight shift,waist twist,ball timings) and most importantly footwork. the amateur u see simply fails at footwork. Footwork is the one thing many amateurs fail at. and many 'coaches' fail to teach. They 'think' they have superior six sense when hitting tht spectacular money ball off balance once in a blue moon and gave them false pretence they can repeat it again and thot it is their invented style. This is the most common mistake that amateur falls into and affix how they play forever. Some people feel "upset" when they lose and "happy" when they win, this is normal. It is a type of feeling we get, is part of our life. Imagine if we live a life that never experienced "upset" or "happy". So when people get "upset" when they lose, let them be Coming back to table tennis, "lcly" players may do well in normal practice because they have been doing the same stroke, same spot, same strength every single day. If one person play with the same player, even before his partner hit the ball, he already know here the ball is going and how to return.BUT in tournament, it is very different, environment is different, players body language are different, incoming ball behaviour are different... whatever we used to do may not work, all need adjustments. I am sure you have seen in those table-tennis club, they can do their bullet fast blocks and top spin flawlessly for hours but during tournament, they cant even block or do topspin for more than 3 balls. So it has to go back to how strong is the foundation and how fast a person can adapt to the changes. Foundation can obtain easily be but only through competitive games you can acquire the skills of "ability to adapt" fast. So, join more competition, whenever you see someone new come in... play with him ( even if he is a beginner because you never know because sometimes you may get that kind of shot during tournament from experienced players ). During my playing days, I always give my opponent a surprise "beginners" type no spin shot to upset their rhythm. Table tennis strokes, footwork, tactics is a continuity chain of event. If u are god at each individually but fail to connect all the skills,even a well trained 10 years old can eat you for breakfast. a phrase used by chinese national coaches is 'the quality of shot'. These are the shots that is not hit by luck. Best spins and most importantly it lands where u want it to. Just ask those amateurs with superhuman reflex, do they even know where their money balls will land? Only way to achieve quality of shots is through constant drills and a perfect footwork. There is no other way. It is really that simple. This is true for badminton, tennis, squash. |
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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 21 2019, 09:49 AM) you are right, footwork is very important. You have to move fast and be in correct position very fast. Another thing overlooked by many coach is how too read opponents body language to prepare movement to the best possible location to return the ball. From service to regular strokes, opponent body language can tell a lot, even when they do a fake body movement, still there will be some slight difference. This is when tactics comes in, traditionally trained young players they are also drilled in 'SET' play. tactics that they applied during their serve and when counter attack on chance ball. This is the complete training. They are controlling the pace and can 'predict' the highest possible returns(spin/power/direction) and deliver the best attacking counter. Even for an adult if you are out of position you are already lose. But if you are 100% overwhelmingly in control of your serving/attacking turn you will never lose in TT.For example, when you someone hit bottom part of the ball with the shoulder/elbow/wrist moving slightly upwards on contact, 90% will be a top spin, even though it looks like a bottom spin serve ( unless he faked it, this is when the art of fake body language comes in ). Another thing is how to read ball flight and bounce pattern, that will help when you failed to see how the ball is being hit on the opponents bat. All these were thought by my former coach, too bad it was too late for me to pick up these skills. Just look at this video, one of the player is from my era https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tJMf2qriA That fellow, if ball lands on the same spot or nearby, he can block and hit for hours without a single miss. But when game starts, when balls start to fly everywhere.. just see how he perform. He was just too slow to move to the best position to return ball. So skills is nothing unless you can move to the good position fast enough to execute your skills. As those video of super tiny below 10 year old, I am afraid they may not be real ( on the spot or controlled strokes maybe can ). Whoever loses to those tiny 10 year old kids must be doing a self inflicted loss. When player are still physically too small in size they have huge disadvantage. They simply cannot reach certain ball fast enough, they can only win if you send the ball to where he is all the time. Harimoto won his 1st world champion at the age of 14. This is the new age of table tennis. If you have time just go puchong star elite and see the quality of young kids under 15. Malaysia also are picking up. |
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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 23 2019, 05:04 PM) You are talking about a different thing. Im 5ft6 matured height, i got no problem reaching to mid table when i was 10 or 12yo with chop/push on cpen.I am talking about those small sized little kids who cant even reach halfway into the table, with "over-hyped" promotions, that was the discussion. Those curve left and right ball is easy to do lah. Even a simple bottom spin near the net with a reverse bounce will get those small sized kids in trouble. I am not talking about those bigger sized kids. If you tell me star elte and pj union or any place that have any kids that can't even reach half-way into the table and tell me I cant deal with them ? you must be kidding. I dare to bet with you with everything I have. Not just me, in fact anyone who can play decent table tennis will dare to take up the challenge. Whether that small kid train with chee feng or ma long or anyone else, makes no difference. He still cant play in real competitive game until he is tall enough, of cos sometimes we do see them in competition but whoever losses to them are mostly self-inflicted loss. Are you talking about midget or 6 years old kid? No one is 'over-hyping' or promoting kids. and it was YOUR own point of view. We are stating our observation of the standard performance f kids under 15yo which has drastically improved recent years. Personally i think it is only appropriate to discuss further Until you see for yourself or tried them out. No point giving out subjective scenario for playing against some midget size kid. Ai fukuhara is only 1.55m tall. i bet she can beat you without even moving at the age of 15. Do not presume a kid who is under 1.55m cant beat you. That is not even tall by any standard. 20 years ago i might share the same point of view as you. But to see is to believe. the age of pro players are dropping to 14 15 16 now. |
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QUOTE(ccf1162 @ Apr 23 2019, 05:38 PM) Short sidespin serves .. interesting. I would say it's hard to execute a good short sidespin serve using shakehand. Sidespin serve is a good serve against opponent who like to use backhand flick when they encounter backspin. For matches you can observe Dimitri ovtcharov vs fan zhengdong matches. in their matches Dimitri like to serve deceptive sidespin serve to fan zhengdong causes fan to make mistakes. once you get there, all serve are easy to execute. The main ideas are deception and variations. pure short sidespin is a lot easier to flick, but it has a clear advantage, the flick return direction is easier to predict. Usually the pro will confuse opponents with sidespin to topspin transition serve, these are the most hardest to do. but most the time its side+underspin to set up 3 balls or 5 balls play.This post has been edited by cede1975: Apr 24 2019, 02:37 PM |
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