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 Are property prices going to up further? V4, nothing's gonna stop us now

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Iceman74
post Mar 8 2012, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Mar 8 2012, 02:14 PM)
correction,

In year 2012, a condo cost RM 612,500
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post Mar 9 2012, 10:09 AM

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Cheap sales, anyone want a britney home?...tongue.gif

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post Mar 9 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(prody @ Mar 9 2012, 08:44 PM)
Shortage of 2 million houses. Let's assume 4 people per house. So where are those 8 million people living now?
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haha...to start with KV got 8 Mil homeless residents ar? If plus with home residents, 8Mil...KV can handle 16Mil as at now?
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post Mar 10 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(SKfolk @ Mar 10 2012, 12:33 PM)
The property prise will not drop but maintain the same only worse come to worse. Propert prise is still low compare in worldwide. It still has room to increase just got to wait for the household income increase only.If other country increase we don increase we are obsolete.
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compare with which country? use exchange rate to implying the properties price?
come on, compare with apple to apple lar, not with kiwi or anything foreign
The other SEA country like Thailand or Indonesia are fast catching up Malaysia income but are their properties price expensive?
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post Mar 14 2012, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Mar 14 2012, 06:05 PM)
wrong, now bangla can also own prop >500k

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...e-says-yen-yen/
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post Mar 14 2012, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(ethanyong @ Mar 14 2012, 06:49 PM)
But by increasing upper limit to 400k, bank also don't want to loan to 2k earners (30 years loan, 0% down payment, monthly repayment ~2k).  laugh.gif  Wahai Jib Gor ah Jib Gor, must have paycut for your beloved elite advisors instead of giving 7-13% increment for such a fine work in giving laughing stock advice lor.
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he can do it mah. half a Mil in a month with PM salary tongue.gif

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post Mar 19 2012, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(oldman8088 @ Mar 19 2012, 01:27 PM)
Simple, only 1 simple step from bank. Max loan tenure 50years. Bank happy, earn more interest, mid class happy, own the house. Ah jip gor happy, GDP increase. Developer happy, sell more house. Idris happy, his 2019 vision come earlier. rclxms.gif
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but all our children crying later in their life sweat.gif
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post Mar 20 2012, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(ayha2009 @ Mar 20 2012, 05:29 PM)
Totally agreed with you.
It's better to compare this way rather than talk about drop back to 500k of 20 years story...
Property price drop  (as an example) from 800k to 650k, that is the definition of this thread all about.
I will be very happy even the price drop to 700k which should be on par with bank valuer.
Some just don't want to agree that the current prop price is too high (means 30 or 70% higher than the bank valuer).
Thanks for your support.....  rclxms.gif

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at last got ppl understand rclxms.gif
always think must drop until grandma price, then consider bad.

even price stagnant for few years, that already a loss jor for flipper/investors
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post Mar 21 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Bahkuteh @ Mar 21 2012, 12:52 AM)
Govt pump up the market with cheap financing,everyone feel good for coming election.

After GE,harga minyak naik lagi. Then how?
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haha...me this month TNB bill show kasi rebate from central gov...not bad rclxms.gif
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post Mar 21 2012, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(ethanyong @ Mar 21 2012, 10:09 AM)
Wait until after GE, when GST implements, subsidies removed, lagi best!!Another round of super inflation, then property price also try to ride the wave and hike again, but this round, the demand will be even lesser as even less ppl can afford to buy anymore brows.gif
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with the increase, do you think ppls in general will think about buying properties whistling.gif
makan also tak cukup ler doh.gif

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QUOTE(sampool @ Mar 21 2012, 10:32 AM)
am i meantion about malaysia... i only meantion "ASIA" in general... from 2009 - 2012... the prop boom is in ASIA (china, sg, my, thai, hk, tw, india, indo'sia.......) not just in malaysia...

when u eat something too long... will u get full... this is concept of "saturated"... the ppl will vomit if continue eating..  biggrin.gif
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yup...this is what i also predict. US not only withdrawing properties only but all across the board. Once mighty Asia is down, they will come back to pickup cheap sales & declare helping fellow Asia country. This trick is just going round & round it goes whistling.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 21 2012, 10:42 AM)
With inflation, the wealthy one may eager for hard asset to invest to protect against inflation, property is one of hard asset.

Yes, transaction may be quiet down, but it doesn't mean price will plunge significantly.
It may due to fire-sale in initial stage especially those speculators and high leverage one, but with inflation factor, there is a limit how far a property price can plunge especially for prime location.
You will see "nobody want property" instead of price plunge too far in this kind of scenario.

Only poor one, makan also tak cukup suffer, but when makan tak cukup, there is pressure for wages increment across, so inflation factor coming in again.
Unless the consequence is recession happening, but if recession happening, inflation will be tamed down by recession factor.
So there are 2 opposite force acting one another.
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I do agree with some of your theory.
But do bare in mind, b4 all these properties investment all hype up
for example...during old times, out of 100 transactions maybe got 5% got problem & need fire-sales
but with current situations
transaction increase 1000 & value increase as well, so if 5% turn sour, that is alot compare with old time

beside those old days, there are alot cash rich ppl & those really wanted a home

now, tell me how many are there now that are cash rich & really needed a home.
those wanted, already have.
those dun have & can't afford, sad to said, will remain un-attainable


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post Mar 21 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 21 2012, 11:13 AM)
Money will become more, not less if one understands how financial market work or economy works.
That's why rich become richer.

There are many cash rich people around as well as cash rich company.
Those rich bought those property are not for home, but as investment or park their excess money instead put cash in banks which earn zero interest (most countries ).


Yes I do agree, oversupply condition can occur, which could lead to price stalling or falling afterwards due to fire-sale, but properties nowadays, no longer bought as home already, but as investment.
As long as there are money that willing to invest in property, after sometimes properties situation become normal back after correction.
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sorry i don't know how exactly economy works but i do know market run emotions & those who can change the world emotion -> rules the world.

maybe what you see is worldwide company & big listed companies. I more exposed to more SME & SMI companies & I can tell you, most of them are not rosy this year compare with few previous years back although some are cash rich. Mostly I spoken to are preparing for cashflow problem or backup(if need to expand), properties investment are their last priority. They only buy cos they will use/need it.

Where else, for the rich & famous, properties are for plaything jer. they do care about ROI. They like, they buy.

If Malaysia are so rosy, EPF no need to go UK to buy properties whistling.gif


Added on March 21, 2012, 11:32 am
QUOTE(lucerne @ Mar 21 2012, 11:21 AM)
yes, prop is jsut an investment. same as gold, silver etc. how many gold /silver is for industry use or for jewelry purposes? how to measure "saturated point" or undersupply/oversupply? when to stop mining gold??
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if you read more about biz journal...there are few big mining corporations are selling their operation

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QUOTE(sampool @ Mar 21 2012, 11:37 AM)
mining.. ? i hope lynas will be one of it....  Pui...Tui....

save malaysia!
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no luck in that...rare earth are not trade-able whistling.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 21 2012, 11:46 AM)
I know SME/SMI are facing difficult challenge ahead, but undeniable, many SMI/SME are more well prepared in their balance sheet in current situation.
Situation out there are not rosy, many run well below capacity across.
I never said situation is rosy, I just pointed out, situation is not as bad that property must crash across.

As you mentioned, many are preparing for cashflow problem, means that many company are well prepared.
Market crash generally occur when people are complacency and not well prepare for difficult time, classic eg. prior 2008 global crisis, prior 1997 crisis, many company hit hard due to debt cannot be refinanced, and run into trouble of cashflow.

For rich, properties not only for playing or for ROI, they do treat it as "another money parking option"
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Cherroy,

look like we agree on this.

There is a question I like to listen your opinion. As you know, Malaysia stand out among SEA all these years because bless with stable economy & political situation. Currently Indonesia/Vietnam are consider stable to invest with cheaper in everythings compare to Malaysia. No need to compare Singapore as they are the best example for Malaysia to follow but our gov half heart to follow them. Will it affect our properties investment in long terms? We are neither here, no there.
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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Mar 21 2012, 02:12 PM)
Quite passimistic when talk abt long term, esp when crude oil depleted, real challenge will start when we become net importer of crude oil. Thks to apapa Tun auto policies, having a car is a must. When crude oil depleted and they have to cut fuel subsidies, the real show begins. Probably after GE13 some real show will start. Not much option left.

But again, mid term if the MRT project really get kicked start this yr, imagine +40 billion ringgit flooded the market in the next 5 yrs. This will certainly boost and sustain the market in mid term. Probably many foreign experts too will be here and sustain the rental market.

Before any smart alec predict the oncoming doom or gloom by merely looking at US/China/Oz, do check out the oncoming economy stimulus package and projects.
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ya...this my view also. We are artificial make to look good with mega project this few years but at what cost. Everyone "Enjoy now, Suffer later"...really pity with this country full of resources, yet cannot fullfill even half of the potential. cry.gif


Added on March 21, 2012, 4:26 pm
QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 21 2012, 03:44 PM)
it's happened the whole asia countries except japan, no point to blame any party like governmnet or BNM. i think without the implementation and policy by government and BNM, we'll still follow the trend to shoot up to higher price.

yes, wages are higher in singapore and hong kong compare to malaysia, but their property price are very very expensive till beyong the majority's wages too.
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you really still don't get it. Malaysia economy are not moving at all, there are non innovative products or services at company or personal level. We are 1 big photocopy machine producer that are getting expensive to maintain compare to surround countries tongue.gif
Maybe one day, Indonesian company employ you. Then only you realised.
Those bosses around me are going in Indonesia & Vietnam & strinking Malaysia operation
No activities = dead economy


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QUOTE(ethanyong @ Mar 21 2012, 06:54 PM)
You gave me a business idea..... should get ready to start up a maid training institute over here in Malaysia in order to ship out crude work force to other countries in the future.  brows.gif It is not funny, I know, but no harm in making a bit of fun with our Malaysia's already dim future. blush.gif
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good wor...like that idea also can think off notworthy.gif laugh.gif

I better tell my friend selling foreign workers think about this idea. Can get income 2 way traffic thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 31 2012, 07:47 PM)
It's clearly mentioned for 1st home buyer below age 35 with 6-7k income, it's good for those wanted to own a sweet home but can't pay the 10% downpayment
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with income 6-7k & still can't save the 10%....isn't that already financial problem in the making? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 31 2012, 08:16 PM)
Everything is expensive nowadays, petrol, food etc are expensive, sometime need clubbing, kao lui tongue.gif
It may help for some buyers, but the interest rate may much higher as clearly mentioned
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haha...even 60-70k also not enough lor if live like that sweat.gif
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Apr 4 2012, 12:48 AM)

Rich people don't need to default because they don't borrow much $$$.

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you be surprise whistling.gif
It is they who borrow more cause they know how to play the game right. Not that they do have cash tot

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