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water heater, price and quality
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idoblu
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 Oct 23 2013, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 23 2013, 09:16 PM) 25L ??? how much? 1 large plastic mineral water bottle is 1.5L. 17 bottle only!!! How la? So little? No la, it supposes to work like instant water heater, heat as you use?! Or to be mixed with cold water??? Better check out properly. Of course need to mix with cold water. How to shower with 70C hot water? That's why it goes thru a mixer before you get it in your shower head. If worry not enough, ma buy bigger tank lo....I already said it depends on your needs. The price difference between the various capacity is very little only. If you got a long bath, you need at least a 50L This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 23 2013, 09:30 PM |
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idoblu
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Oct 23 2013, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Oct 23 2013, 09:39 PM) You are right Idoblu. I basically just want to provoke Petlu and get him to imagine how much or how little is 25L using mineral water bottle so that he can visualise.  Cheers Tell the boss to buy the 35L, I think just a hundred ringgit more. Too big also no good, takes longer to boil so makan letrik. Too small, water finish faster but heat up also faster  Few years ago, I bought only Rm500+ for 35L I bought all mine from paramax Puchong. I heard Top Ten light shop also got Joven. This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 23 2013, 10:19 PM |
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idoblu
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Oct 24 2013, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 23 2013, 11:14 PM) Nowadays new houses don't use copper piping anymore for cold water supply. I think in Klang Valley now the standard pipe is ABS type. I also agree that in the case of link houses it's unlikely that the developer will supply hot water piping (unless they include a solar hot water system). The usual is just to provide a water heater point and the normal cold water pipe to the shower. I'm talking about the short piece of copper piping provided for hot water in each bathroom. Most development I've come across do come with these. Those with long baths, will definitely have it. This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 24 2013, 12:57 PM |
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idoblu
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Oct 28 2013, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(*StarGazer* @ Oct 23 2013, 02:23 PM) Master - no long bath. Showers for all bathrooms. Thanks for the tip @idoblu Read this - something to be aware of https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry64164677 |
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idoblu
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May 30 2014, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 29 2014, 01:34 PM) i got 3 units, haven use, install at new house.  dont worry la, I got 3 Joven, use for 7 years also no problem But mine are storage heaters, not instant. If instant ones, then good luck to you. (no matter what brand)  This post has been edited by idoblu: May 30 2014, 09:11 AM |
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idoblu
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May 30 2014, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ May 30 2014, 09:25 AM) is instant ones that bad?  not bad but more parts to break down and you might get electrocuted  storage heaters are more straight forward. its like a big kettle. |
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idoblu
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Aug 13 2014, 07:14 PM
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I really can't understand why people are still using instant water heaters
Safety aside, don't you guys want a nice strong shower?
These instant heaters are like getting pissed on by a toddler. No I take that back. Even a toddlers piss is stronger.
It can't be the cost cause the ones with pump cost as much as a storage heaters
The ones with so-called rain shower is a joke. As for those with buildin pump, the pressure is better but the flow rate is still too low for a nice shower experience .
This post has been edited by idoblu: Aug 13 2014, 07:20 PM
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idoblu
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Aug 13 2014, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 13 2014, 07:50 PM) Gee...!! You don't understand why the majority of the Malaysian households using instant water heater ??? So, are you still using the old fashion way to bath ??  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/azwarin/PIC_0069.jpgYou haven't heard of storage tank heaters? This post has been edited by idoblu: Aug 13 2014, 07:56 PM |
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idoblu
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Aug 13 2014, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(PJusa @ Aug 13 2014, 08:00 PM) any whole house water solution is way safer. storage heater, gas and solar are options. Yup agreed. I'll be using a heat pump storage tank for my new place One tank for the whole house hot water supply needs This post has been edited by idoblu: Aug 13 2014, 08:05 PM |
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idoblu
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Aug 13 2014, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(Ardam @ Aug 13 2014, 08:10 PM) can share how does a heat pump storage tank system look like? (look under mini heat pump)  |
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idoblu
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Aug 13 2014, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 13 2014, 08:42 PM) Ah...!! Now I get you point. So, you don't understand why 80% of the Malaysian households use instant water heater instead of storage tank heaters? But I think the reason behind it is pretty common sense isn't ?? BTW, When I bought the water heater, the dealer told me the Japanese couple case was due to storage tank heater. I heard only la, true or not nobody knows. what common sense reasons behind it? the only reason i can think of is cost, or maybe they just didn't know there are other options out there. but i see the prices of some instant ones, they can go like Rm300-400 each. Just add a bit more can get storage ones. The other reason probably is have to hack the wall to put in copper pipe but you can always not hack but install the pipe on the outside. Ugly you say? Then instant ones are no better. The weird part is when cost is not the reason. I've seen people hack up the whole house, do 20ft extension at the back, etc....and yet they put in instant heaters. so "cost" is definitely not the reason. Storage water heaters can be 110% safe. The seller BS you This post has been edited by idoblu: Aug 13 2014, 09:38 PM |
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idoblu
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Aug 13 2014, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 13 2014, 09:06 PM) Installation cost, and mixer all this not cheap. I agreed the so call rain shower from instant water heater really a joke water pressure so darm low. And if its high (when install ground floor) the heater just can't warm the water fast enough. Another reason is because of low flow rate. People forget that, besides water pressure, they need good flow rate. And you cannot have good water flow rate in instant water heaters - period. The way instant heaters works is by passing a small amount of water thru a narrow pipe which is heated up by the electric elements. If the water is too much and too fast, it wont get heated up. (just like you said, high pressure on the ground floor, it cant heat up the water fast enough). |
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idoblu
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Aug 13 2014, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 13 2014, 10:00 PM) Have you check on the running cost? Since it run like a aircon principe (compressor, evaporator and condenser etc) and transfer the heat to tank, the bill doesn't look that cheap to me. But this is just my assumption. Really like to see the running cost. I dunno yet. If you look at Australia, it seems heat pump is the most efficient option available for them This post has been edited by idoblu: Aug 13 2014, 10:04 PM |
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idoblu
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Sep 2 2014, 08:08 AM
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Another case - » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « By Chai Hung Yin
The New Paper
Monday, Sep 01, 2014
He was taking his usual shower in the evening when, suddenly, he started screaming.
Shocked, the family rushed to the door, only to find it locked. Beside the door, an electrical socket connected to the water heater was smoking.
When they finally battered the door open, 18-year-old Gregory Ng was on the floor.
"We turned off the electrical switch and went to his side," said his grandfather, Anthony Ng, 62, a taxi driver.
His face was very pale by then, the older man told The New Paper at their Hougang Avenue 3 flat on Saturday.
The incident happened around 10pm on Friday. Mr Ng, a recent graduate of the Institute of Technical Education who was waiting for his national service call-up, was unconscious when the ambulance took him to Changi General Hospital. He died shortly after.
A Singapore Civil Defence Force spokesman said he died of a cardiac arrest. He was cremated on Saturday afternoon.
During The New Paper's visit, his grandfather explained that the young man had lived with his grandparents, his aunt and his two younger brothers in the three-room flat since he was a boy, after his parents' divorce.
Recalling the tragedy, the 62-year-old said that before the shower, Mr Ng had told his grandmother he'd talk to her after his bath.
His younger brother and aunt tried to perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation, with instructions from the rescuer on the phone, but to no avail.
Gesturing to the water heater, which was connected to the socket by a wire, the grandfather said that they had bought it recently to replace the old one, which was not working.
He said he had picked a branded heater based on the shop's recommendations.
He was heard saying: "I spent more than $300 on the water heater and it killed my grandson."
Police have classified the case as an unnatural death and are investigating. This post has been edited by idoblu: Sep 2 2014, 08:15 AM |
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idoblu
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Sep 12 2014, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(cablesguy @ Sep 12 2014, 09:42 AM) Wonder whats wrong with mine, was working fine until last year, changed the element 3 times so far, the repair guy told me to try Elton I dont think Elton is Italian. It's made by a local company, if not mistaken taken over Ignis and turn it into Elton. I used an Ignis storage heater for 9 years. Used Joven storage heaters for 7 years. No problem. Maybe you need to change the whole thing instead of just the element. Go ahead and try Elton this time around. Just like some light fixtures, certain bulbs always blows much faster than the rest for no apparent reason. |
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idoblu
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Oct 1 2014, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(hushymushy @ Oct 1 2014, 08:38 PM) hi all experts....i want to ask about multipoint instant water heaters.....such as this: Beebest Multi-point Instant water heater..... is that a direct replacement to centralized water heater tank system? anyone using? based on what i read on their website...it sounds like a direct replacement thoughts and reviews much appreciated. according to their website it says, "Electric Tankless On-Demand Instant Water Heater is specially designed to supply hot water with maximum efficiency and reliability. You can enjoy hot from any mixer tap at your home for shower, wash basin, bath tub, Jacuzzi, kitchen sink and washing machine." fuyoh i really wonder how this little thing can fill a bath tub or jacuzzi with hot water or can supply to multi point as they claimed. |
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idoblu
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Oct 1 2014, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 1 2014, 09:31 PM) If this is the one you talking about http://www.beebest.com.my/index.php?option...#specificationsPrepare a thick wires. Minimal is 4.5kwatt it sure going to take minimal 20amps. Switch this on it draw current like your water. Haha....I was about to tag you  It draws even more power than two of my induction cooktop This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 1 2014, 09:51 PM |
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idoblu
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Oct 2 2014, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(Unwir3D @ Oct 2 2014, 08:58 PM) I'm looking to install Rinnai gas water heater for my double story terrace. So far the quote i got is the following, Rinnai 16L external gas water heater. RM2300 Plumbing and installation using hanson poly piping for 3 bath, 1 kitchen and installation of water pump. RM4800 Question here, do you guys this is worth of investment? The plumbing charges is so expensive  definitely not worth it. dont forget you need to hack your bathroom and redo all the tiles as well. in the end you spend 10k just for all these. |
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idoblu
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Oct 2 2014, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 2 2014, 10:23 PM) The same for storage and solar, all need copper or stainless steel piping. I know. You should reply to him The cost is not the method but the hot water plumbing for whole house |
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idoblu
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Oct 2 2014, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE(Unwir3D @ Oct 2 2014, 09:52 PM) What do you guys think about SEERS water heater? Any good? It heats up water just the same so why pay more for seers? |
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