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gtoforce
post Oct 30 2011, 01:59 PM

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is it a myth that arms wint grow if u work it out thr day after they were used in compound movements
e.g. Playing biceps n triceps after chest/back/delts day? i have good growth back then but on a plateau for arms but i got no time to play 2 bodyparts per day nowadays. so my splits are crammed every week.i'd like to do arms after leg day but leg day is really exhausting so next day usually rest or kadio.haha

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post Nov 27 2011, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Nov 27 2011, 10:22 PM)
Same thing with other browsers. And the problem is confined to my journal only.  shakehead.gif
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Tried another pc bro?
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post Jan 10 2012, 01:32 AM

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after a series of travelling n trips overseas (with full time gym even though carb intake was shitty, its time to bulk clean)
i need help
For those who've seen me before, im now down 6kgs (last time jumpa dl, jamis, etc my weight was 83). now i think stupid carb intake means im still strong but im small and a tad flabs (unless i flex...got striations also so ok lah).

What i understand about clean bulk (from google n bb.com n greg plitt n tnation n stupid bb mags) is carb is ultra important but i need some guidance.i did my bmr n dee (tnation) and after plus minus its arnd 2800kcal n to bulk i must add arnd 500kcals so that should make it 3300kcals but how much from that should consist of carbs?

n due to my hectic schedule, my carbs only datang from milk n oats.
My questions are:

I)would oats as my main carb source be sufficient to gain a body like greg plitt in less than a year (eating clean is easy but deciding what to eat is hard for me)?

ii) what other normal supps aside from xtend/muscleinfusion@myofusion/multivitamins/fat burners/omegas/? weight gainer sucks i believe so im staying away from that.

iii) what sort of workout i should adopt? ultra strength (high volume > high reps) or ultra cut (high reps > high volume)?

Plan to start this feb as im able to settle down in kl balek by then.

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post Feb 2 2012, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(John91 @ Feb 2 2012, 01:56 AM)
@theCrab, you might want to work more on your poundages... 70kg bench is a tad bit low... I can do 100kg inclines for reps and its not considered a heavy weight for benching...

*my statement was not intended for bragging purposes, but videos on youtube indicate a lot of people lower than my weight (91kgs also) benching 100kg easily.
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In ff, huge n ripped to the ass iranians (competition materials) struggle to complete 60kgs bench (flat or incline).
How eh?

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post Feb 5 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(John91 @ Feb 2 2012, 08:47 PM)
I'm benching 100kgs on average dude. Around 8 reps average. No spotter also... I'm hovering around 90-91kgs now.

@gtoforce, Come on, you can't give an excuse for benching 60kgs if you're huge and ripped. Thats pathetic. I know in bb lifting heavy ass weights isn't the primary concern, but you should at least lift some decent poundages. I wasn't trying to step or look down on TheCrab. I thought he has been training longer than that cuz I've seen him around for some time already.

@theCrab, I'm actually mixing up my routine, something like darklight, hitting a muscle group few times a week. I train chest around 2 times a week, but not for long durations. Benching or pressing twice a week helps with poundages.
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Haha john im not making excuse.its just weird how they are ripped n big (of coz they juice) but cant squat or bench for shizz...
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post Feb 10 2012, 03:40 AM

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Any of u guys been to kl barbell club?
Wud like to know whats the operatiom hours like etc (i know i can call them bit it'd be good to know first hand here).
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post Feb 10 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Feb 10 2012, 02:03 PM)
I'm training at KL Barbell Club at the moment. Mondays to fridays, they're open from 8am to 11pm and on saturdays and sundays its from 8am to 7 pm.
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ur training with wong hong or any of his students?
i heard rave reviews from those who tried his or his students' teachings
just wanna know
i dont think i have the juice to pay these guys
haha

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post Feb 11 2012, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Feb 11 2012, 09:44 AM)
how much he charges btw
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300per sessions
u can find it at his site

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post Feb 11 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Feb 11 2012, 04:22 PM)
I mean u seem to b progressing fine now. so not sure y u think u need a trainer.
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Finding a good coach is one good way to realign one's goal...for me at least
i have been disillusioned n lost the ability to make progress sebab i just dunno what to follow n what to do anymore
but thats me cuz i mite be a lil stewpid n slow n impatient
will perhaps seek guidance from mr.wong or his successful students at klbc

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post Feb 12 2012, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Feb 11 2012, 07:56 PM)
Good read on Whey and milk that spike your insulin.

http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/whey-m...ulin-and-sleep/
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Blended protin FTW!
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post Feb 26 2012, 12:15 PM

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macam mana left chest can get big???

Randy Tiner

anyway, like nick scott, he's a proof that bb is for everyone
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post Feb 28 2012, 02:58 AM

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QUOTE(darkseifer @ Feb 28 2012, 02:09 AM)
Why didn't you keep it simple then? The dude asked about cutting and you made no mention of, fat loss is down to caloric restriction, which is as basic as you can get. I agree with your recommendations about higher carb, lower fat on workout days and opposite on rest days. It makes sense for optimum performance. However the assertions you made about insulin is not entirely correct or without proper context, which is what I disagreed with.

There are many people who reads the posts in this forum, and when information is presented badly, others will be thinking "shit! i'm doing it wrong, i have to fix this". Then they're going to change what could be a pattern that works very well for them based on that information.

As far as pics is concerned, the reason I don't post pics is to keep my anonymity. I don't see that pattern breaking anytime soon.
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I nak comment on pics. u can delete ur face.that would definitely retain ur anonymity wudnt it?
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post Feb 29 2012, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Feb 29 2012, 12:02 AM)
Ok la. Boleh tahan. But that's it? Problem is, we ask for a progress pic, you flash a set of abs in black and white for a better effect? I can flash my abs too. Where's a rear lat spread? Something else other than abs.
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haha...
agreed with DL

darkseifer, for everyone's interest, maybe you can post dekat progress pics thread...
and maybe could stick with the term 'progress' where you show where you were, say the past 3 months or a year and your pic now...

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post Feb 29 2012, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(darkseifer @ Feb 29 2012, 02:00 AM)
Nothing wrong with manipulating macros. You would be doing that. Fat loss is down to caloric restriction and your macros should reflect that.
Not necessarily.
How did you take a very simple concept and went completely brotard on it.

*My take is, all food had insulin spike (IS)
-Duh! Insulin is elevated in response to meals in healthy individuals.

*what we want to control the amount of insulin spike.
-for what reason? are you diabetic? what makes you think that you can control it enough to have a significant impact? you will need pharmacological doses of insulin through some sort of infusion to have a significant effect on MPS.

*you dont want to take whey together with regular meal.
-why not? what is the composition of said regular meal. do you think your "regular meal" without the whey will have no impact on insulin?

*again when i the best time for a IS is right after workout because you want to also carry all the valuable nutrition for muscle buildings.
-insulin elevation stops muscle protein breakdown, it makes sense. It is something that is usually overblown. A protein sufficient meal itself will exert any anti-catabolic effects. You don't even need mad "insulin spiking" carbs.

*There problem here is, all this analogical method doesnt work for everyone everytime, meaning it defers from a beginner to seasoned lifter and to a lean person.
-what the hell is that gibberish supposed to mean? General methods work across the board, only the finer points differ.

*A very lean person like DL, do not need to care much because the energy burned w/i 24hrs way much greater compared to a beginner and high fat person (~>20%bf).
-Maybe because DL is beast carrying an insane amount of LBM, therefore making his energy needs high. What is your point exactly?

*generally I keep my intake intact with
protein: meat,, milk, egg, nuts
carb: rice, nuts
fat: from all the raw oils and nuts
-lol, that looks extremely boring and unpalatable. you trying to be hardcore?

*i think supplements are overrated for general population.
-depends on what supplements we are talking about. Is fish oil overrated? Is creatine overrated? Don't make blanket statements.
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haha...this is my take from the above..."it takes two to tango"

you think he's 'brotarding' a concept so simple and yet you go and over-analyse all of his opinion notwithstanding the verity of it. simple as that. ("dont make blanket supplements"...i mean really?)

i wonder what's your intention since your first post here...not that it matters since free speech is the trend nowadays

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post Mar 1 2012, 10:49 AM

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Kelaka la thread ni nowadays. People use studies to back their claims up when in bb'ing is all subjective. The idea that common n general ideas apply across the board is stupid.

If studies are at all reliable, then all the claims by supplement companies for sure true n real. Why discuss things u havent empirically experienced?

Talk about insulin, sugary foods n post links of crap as if we are ph.d holders when we hardly look like greg plitt, chris humphreys or maryland muscle machine. Baik discuss pasal result of the games in yangon or things we know are real.

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post Mar 1 2012, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(darkseifer @ Mar 1 2012, 11:03 AM)
Empirical research especially controlled trials (not talking about observational or behavioral studies) gives us a pretty good idea of what is true and what is propaganda. For example, the claim that meal frequency boost metabolism has been debunked numerous times by metabolic ward studies, yet that misinformation still gets perpetuated.
Supplement companies usually makes bogus claims which can't be substantiated. If they did cite a study, it is usually funded by them, with poorly designed methods and not peer reviewed.

Well I agree, we don't need to be talking about insulin and what not. That crap does not matter. However, there is misinformation being perpetuated, and I feel the need to address it. Probably shouldn't waste my time with it, but I guess like most people, I'm very sensitive to bullshit.

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for the meal frequency stuff, i know u are a proponent of IF so martin berkhan must have posted nice links and studies at his site...
seriously bro, there're lots of stuff like that, there's the 4-8x meals a day, there's intermittent fasting, there's the simplyshredded.com way, there're so many people out there who tried X diet and worked for them. following that, they'll make acquaintance with someone who had conducted research on the effectiveness of the said X diet to corroborate his claims.
but who the hell cares?!
HAHAHAHA...
and yeah, im sure u are very knowledgeable but people will get misinformed no matter what you do
i'd rather we all work hard and post pics at progress pics
lagi best.

QUOTE(darkseifer @ Mar 1 2012, 11:03 AM)
So If you're trying to say forget the nonsense we can't control and just eat right, train hard, then hell yeah! I agree.
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at least you got this one right

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