Hi All,
In dilemma of choicing my purchase to be.
I'm going for a 2000cc car & to choose between Teana, Camry or Altis?

Camry 2012 should I wait?

You should wait for the new Camry, better improvement compare to current one according to the Toyota CEO previously.

You should not compare Camry with Altis, they are different segment vehicle.

This post has been edited by oec88: Oct 23 2011, 09:07 PM

wait n check out 2L camry lor.. if it's too same (like kosong feature, 4speed auto etc) as the 2011 camry then can consider others..

If space isn't your main priority, the Altis is the best choice among those 3.

care to share why?

how about sonata? accord? optima?

Actually Korean car do not jump into my though mainly because of the low resell value & high maintenance too.

Accord, my friend told me the wind noise & engine noise very bad.

This is why I zoomed down to Teana, Camry & Altis.

For Teana, not sure the FC is ok or not? The tank capacity is 70litres & I guess such huge tank must be there for a reason.
Anyone know whether Teana FC is good & the power okay to move a 1.8tonnes vehicle with 2.0l engine capacity?

Actually I like Camry but to buy now doesn't seems worth since the new model is coming. But not sure whether worth the wait.

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Added on October 23, 2011, 10:46 pmAny reason why you said so?

This post has been edited by alvincch: Oct 23 2011, 10:46 PM

this one simply goreng izzit? since when teana is 1.8tonnes?
u want to know more about the teana FC go read the teana thread.. RM0.20/km, range 550 (city) to 700 hwy..

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Added on October 23, 2011, 10:58 pmcos without knowing what the MY specs/price are on the 2012 camry, how to make conclusion now? of coz have to wait for it to launch lor..

This post has been edited by ar188: Oct 23 2011, 10:58 PM

better engine and gearbox package
better kitted (leather seats & wheel, etc)
better seats (more supportive, more comfortable and powered)
better safety features (comes together with VSC and TC)

This post has been edited by V12Kompressor: Oct 23 2011, 11:01 PM

nah.. no way the altis is better than my teana, checked it out before i got the teana.. it;s nice for B+C segment level, but not really close to teana/camry/akod class..

2.0 got VSC & TC meh?

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Added on October 23, 2011, 11:06 pmThis post has been edited by alvincch: Oct 23 2011, 11:06 PM

meh, most of the comparison points is I am comparing it with the Camry since everybody is so busy with the Camry.

I never view or sit before Teana 2.0, so cant comment much. Furthermore, I only like the 2.5 because of the magnificent engine. Sorry if I am a bit bias against the Teana in this case. XD

2.0 Altis, yes

2.0 Camry, no.

why even bother buying the outgoing 2011 camry? got 20k discount ar?

i think u should test drive the teana and sonata...both are really good car, no harm go test drive, camry dont bother cuz new model coming real soon

if you're in the market, why not consider other new players in the D-segment, like Ford Mondeo, or Peugeot 508..?

buy a proton inspira. if you dont support national car pride and joy who gonna support ?

teana 2.0 is using slyphy engine. if teana better get the 2.5v6

altis 2.0 is quite pricey and the interior isn't spacious.

if u afraid to buy the camry now due to the incoming launch on next year, u can consider buying 2nd camry 2009-2010. if lets say the newly launch camry 2012 is impressive u still can sell off your current camry 2009/2010 and topup abit to get the camry 2012.

You.

wait for 2012 Camry

like how i'm waiting for 2012 Civic

TS is worried about resale value and high service (parts) cost. If both aren't an issue, the Mondeo really is a very good car, looks fantastic (really need to see it in the flesh to appreciate the looks), and has one of the best engines in it's class.

the current camry on the other hand is non of those things, plus it's such a vomit bucket at the back seats for long journeys

This post has been edited by stormlcc: Oct 24 2011, 04:19 PM

totally agree with you mate. out of your 3 choices - you should also consider the ford mondeo and 508 AND VW jetta - all within the same price range.

me ? if i had the $$$$ i will buy the new VW passat - great engine ( same as audi A4 and great interior - very spacious and legendary german engineering)

but i dun have the $$$ so i will choose the VW jetta - much more spacious and better handling than all 3 japanese cars you have listed.

BUT - if you really must buy a japanese car, then get the teana - best bang for buck and great v6 engine!

camry and accord ? - yawn....

balik2 camry.. balik2 accord.. sikit2 toyota.. sikit2 honda.. boring laa..

proton inspira > camry,accord,mazda6,teana,sonata,forte,mondeo,passat,kizashi

buy msian cars. its the lowest tax duty among all with many service centers.

what so magnificent with the VQ25 engine?

smooth kua.. used to have the A33 with VQ20.. very smooth.. but then my rotary also very smooth and only got 3 moving parts inside..

Dear Bros,
I only hve budget for 2.0l Teana if the choose so hapened to be Nissan. But 2.0 can bo?

go try n see lor. driving a 2.4 akod and rx8, I dont feel it underpower even with 4ppl in the car.. the xtronic helps alot..

ask jib gor to support lor....

go test drive VW cars, u won't look back on those japs again

ar188 answered that for me. lol

It is your choice. There is no bad car or good car. Buy the car which fits your criteria and purpose.

ex-owner of VQ30DE here. u have no idea how much i've spent to keep this engine alive until it fail on me
oil leaking, ignition problem, plug cable pecah at least 4 pcs, overheated and finally burned for good. maddriver can attest on all these lol.
total spend on engine maintenance alone exceed 5k in the duration of 2 years of ownership.
yea i do understand the car was old (2002 production) and the previous owner did not maintain the car properly (water was already rusty when i got my car. didnt know it coz 2nd hand dealer pour new coolant to cover until i did first service).. However the good thing is that most of the part i replaced was all original and no third party nor new parts spotted. which means im unlucky owner since the first owner get to enjoy the engine naisly while i have to maintain the engine to enjoy it as well LOL

if the engine already injured internally, hard to blame it as unreliable lor..

but one thing i kennot tahan the VQ engine really drinks.. my 2L seifeilo could only do 400km full tank 8km/L lol..

what cause the "injured internally" i think is the part used?
there was once i had to replace the head gasket coz my newly replaced spark plug got oil stain and tan chong said got leak so ask me to change. then i have to change to another new plugs (plat, rm45 each in tc).. and it got 2 heads alamak.

yea, the fuel consumption also crazy giler. full tank 110 can last 380km max. that translate to about 6.3km/l
then the roadtax also giler high RM2100 but the power not very satisfying coz its just a conventional V6 without valve timing. not so refined.
im surprised this engine got award few years in a row in its golden days.
actually that is what motivate me into getting the VQ engine lol

the newer VQ dem chun ler.. especially with Xtronic.

dat day i tested the 370GT lagi chun.. with the 37HR engine inside..

new VQ in passenger car got what improvement ah?
still no vvt lol. i guess the fuel consumption equally bad with old CQ. maybe better abit coz xtronic gearbox..

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Added on October 24, 2011, 9:39 pmim waiting for teana xtronic gearbox so that i can transplant to my car! lol

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Oct 24 2011, 09:39 PM

i think improvement is when mated to the xtronic.. for passenger car and even the new elgrand which i tested few mths back.

then its not the VQ engine improved, its the whole powertrain upgrade.
the engine basically still the bloody same throughout the years. well maybe some ecu program updates and some mini improvement

If it is Teana 2.5, I will definitely take it. I own a Teana 2.5 which I've bought few weeks ago. I came here to ask for opinion too. And I didn't regret to choose it. The engine is smooth and there is no sound in the cabin plus the comfort of the car makes me forgetting Camry or Accord. It is a comfort-wise vehicle and you can't expect getting more power from it. But if you tune it, the car would be nice. I tried Honda Accord and Camry before buying the car and found that Accord is noisy, the rattle noise and Camry is boring, you would always forget where you parked the Camry in a car park.

What is the averag FC on city drive for ur 2.5l?

9km/l which is not so good, but still OK. My Toyota Wish is 11.7km/ and only spend about RM300 per month for daily drive. Nissan Teana may not look good in picture until you see its real appearance. Gorgeous car.

Cannot bring myself to accept its back....plus the plain looking knovs in the interior...sorry

Yeah, it takes time for some people to accept the rear part and the interior is simple with only a little dials which give other people an impression of lack of fun-features, useful-features. Added the interior is in beige colour and gets dirty easily. So I went to add another layer of cotton on the seats and for the steering wheels, just try to wipe it after every drive. But I was impressed by its comfortness, smoothness and quietness. Plus the strong CVT which makes overtaking easy and the V6 engine of the car. The Teana gives people a kind of luxury feeling, so I went to get it without considering the rear part and interior.

i like the rear looks. dem nice.. the front is abit boring i thought,
the exterior looks dem great especially with my 19in rims n tires.. with the ori 16 really look ahpek-ish..

teana way to go

i couldnt accept the fact that car without vvt tech still available in luxury market. its the absence of such mechanism that contributed to high fc and yet mild power despite its V6 and 2.5L or up..

If wan, wait for KIA Optima Hybrid come 2 malaysia....
break world record of 3.1L/100km, which clock 16k mileage per full tank!!(that's wat i heard...rumours...i dun belif it myself)

u can go for New Optima, Sonata, New Sportage too.....
and u wun knw when u nv acually drove it...do not hear 'rumours'....
engine noise n wind noise is not true, i drove New Optima, and Sonata b4...
maintenance wise, cheap....consider normal...if u wan expensive, Honda and Mazda...even Mitsu oso cheaper...

between these 3 cars(in current year), i will go for Teana...

This post has been edited by XionCity: Oct 25 2011, 02:22 AM

isnt kia optima latest on launcing too?

look quite good face

16k milage per full tank? lorry fuel tank ke?

tell people dont hear rumor but sendiri self contradict

16000 kms per full tank wow.. I also want.

AELO-PLANE!!!!! LOL. 16,000Km per full tank!!!! Err...wait Aeloplane also kennot...need Rocket fuel tank liao.....maybe UFO....


A little googling will save someone a lot of red faces....

http://www.carfever.info/Kia-Optima-Hybrid...r-Fuel-Economy/

That's 5.5 tank. LOL.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Oct 25 2011, 10:36 AM

LOL - yes, i will buy proton saga after this post.


back to topic - i have seen a lot of teana on the road - i guess acceptance of the design/price/engine is non issue so not sure why ppl still debating it here?

bcoz most people who driving it chances are they are a little bit old and they are internet illiterate OR they only use internet for uncle purpose (news & stocks)

haiya apa lagi kereta kita boleh beli?

siapa suruh najip main monopoli

sure or not? drive teana means internet illiterate?

inspira, perdana, exora, alza

Lets see when they will launch the Optima Petrol version first. So far, thats taking ages too. I dont see the Hybrid being launched anytime next year also.

But did anybody consider the Peugeot 508? I think compared to the upcoming Camry or Teana, the 508 seems a good deal (except for resale value and maybe after sales service standards).

Im a Toyota man. But if you have the time to spare, put aside all negative stuff uve heard and go check out the Peugeot 508. I went last weekend expecting crap but i ended up spending about 1 hour viewing and analysing the car at the showroom. if ure in KL, i would recommend you meeting a salesguy by the name of Husaini at the Peugeot TTDI showroom. He's one of the few sales guys at Nasim who really knows the in's and out's of the 508.

Give it a try. U'll be surprised as this 508 is far superior than the other models that have come out from Peugeot in a long time. For a 1.6L car at RM 169K, it is impressive.

http://technews.tmcnet.com/news/2011/10/23/5877337.htm

Some of the specs in the 508:

1) 6 speed Tiptronic auto adaptive gearbox with Sports & Manual mode
2) 1.6L Twin Scroll High Pressure Turbo (THP) Prince engine with 156Hp, 240Nm
3) Latest generation Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
4) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS)
5) Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD)
6) Intelligent Traction Control System (ITCS)
7) Emergency Brake Assist (EBA)
8) Anti Skid Regulation (ASR)
9) 6 airbags
10) Intelligent Airbag System (separate impact deployment and secondary impact protection)
11) Automatic Electric Parking Brake
12) 4 individual zone auto air-conditioning (separate temp controls for both rear passengers)
13) Colour Heads – Up Display (HUD)
14) Auto Adaptive High Beam System (camera activated)
15) Directional bi – Xenon headlamps with washers & auto levelling system
16) Rain sensing auto wipers
17) Paddle Shifters on Steering Column
18) 10 speaker JBL sound system with 500W surround sound amplifier
19) Arkamsys Audio Processing System (creates natural central acoustic ambience plus has Favour Listening)
20) Intelligent keyless entry with finger sensor and push start button
21) 8 way electric power seats with lumbar support for driver & front passenger
22) 7” HD multi function colour screen
23) 10 front & rear parking sensors with visual display
24) Available Space Management system (ASM) (for parallel parking)
25) Speed sensing electro hydraulic power steering
26) Premium leather

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 25 2011, 01:05 PM

alamak

I mean, they are old and therefore they dont surf forum especially LYN. lol

Yeah...agree wit u bro ar188. I oso like the rear more than the front...
If got chance, i really like to see ur 19 inch rim and tyres....
Mine just ori, uncle look only...

yeah man, we should meet up soon hor.. with the others in the teana thread these young but want to be unker car owners..

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Added on October 25, 2011, 2:33 pm eh.. if we got TT for teana, I call you out also lor, let you try the Xtronic 2L with 19in rims, see if mid acceleration ok or not.. can?

This post has been edited by ar188: Oct 25 2011, 02:33 PM

Camry & Accord for those worry bout 2nd value true fact..

Teana 2nd value also lousy base on older Sei fei lou

This post has been edited by stimix: Oct 25 2011, 02:36 PM

this A33 fei lou really low RV.. but I think teana still higher than sonatina lor.. already got dealer ask me want to buy 2011 2nd hand high spec sonata white.. I think slightly over 120k..

This post has been edited by ar188: Oct 25 2011, 02:41 PM

Sonata ..well not dare to say..i took the risk knowing low 2nd value..well..just bcos fall in lub wth that car and the 2nd hand seller that bought my cibik told me Sonata new model will not be like past Sonata too...I pray hard now..

Still early to predict Sonata YF 2nd value...let see 7 pray hard on 3rd year onwards as 1st yr depreciation on any car also very bad wan.. I remembered my heart was poucing hard during 2007 when i saw my old civic selling ~ RM98K only but lucky after 2nd yr, price stabilised haha

This post has been edited by stimix: Oct 25 2011, 03:12 PM

You mean the Passat 1.8TSI? Great engine i agree but great interior? Very spacious? Correct me im wrong but you havent sat in the new Peugeot 508 rite?

yea, super poor fuel consumption from the VQ and high road tax make it valueless

ar188 & me having luv & hate experience wth french babes b4..haha..so I think both of us knew what were those "Love & hate" feeling haha

If likedat should include Suzuki sport also..that wan can pawned any D segment cars wth 2.4CC wna...& much better torrky than any Civic, accord on the road....well, you think unker wan to buy small car liao kah? probably for their mistress probably This post has been edited by stimix: Oct 25 2011, 03:14 PM

your car is rubbish man

Well my dad had 2 Peugeots before. The 304 gave him some problems while the 405 SRI was problem free. Only problem at that time was the lack of after sales support when MBF Peugeot closed shop.

Throw your Teana-lah if talk big and buy inspila

Common. Let's not have comments like this. Its not respectful to ar188 and Stimix.

i have no idea who ar188 is or which car he drives.
my quote was to stimix and his car is rubbish man.

oi stimik, how much u spent on your dampening sound shitz ? use that money spend me and vkeong eat better la

ar188 ask me to TT wor..one fine day can ajak him together wth vkeong haha..I wanna rempit ur Tiania

Sonata engine noise & vibration kenot fight wth Tiana lor..so hv to SP

This post has been edited by stimix: Oct 25 2011, 03:31 PM

how much shit load of money did u spend ????? u crazy liao ah
i told u to buy a god damn mercedes if u wanted quiet. E63 good model.

and did u try the start button thing i asked u ?

Not dare too...wei..off-topic liao wor & you got lipot for throlling wth your inspira shit hor haha

This post has been edited by stimix: Oct 25 2011, 03:36 PM

normal la, just gimme the 10% and be done with. its ok 1.
they not malaysian car supporters thats why malaysia cannot maju.

inspira and perdana 2.0 are malaysia's proudest achievements beside the upcoming hybrid . inspira 2.0 is just much better than an altis anyway.

How is Nasim's after sales service so far? Any problems with the Turbo engine?

Still waiting 4 u tehtarik.

Pug high maintenance..

Ever wonder why there is still a big demand for foreign cars despite the huge difference in prices? Ever notice how the rakyat are driving smaller and smaller cars??

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Added on December 26, 2011, 10:00 am
I think Malaysia cannot maju because of rent seekers. Inspira and Perdana are Malaysia's proudest achievements? How can they look like Mitsu ah??

This post has been edited by 8772SS: Dec 26 2011, 10:00 AM

I also hate it when ppl keep saying support proton to make Malaysia maju... They should open up the market let all car compete equally... And frm there earn the customer using their own way instead forcing rakyat buy expensive car.

Australia have their own branded car but they did not impose heavy tax on foreigner car and still they are still lots of Holden on the road. Because theirvown branded car did deliver what the ppl needed.

Here in Malaysia the car r really not up to the standard... For the price proton is charging... I could said it is too expensive... And they sell their car cheaper in foreign country than at Malaysia... How cm their car be cheaper when shipping to England

+1

Agree. Do you all realise that Malaysians are driving smaller and smaller cars? Nowadays, RM 80k + only get you a Vios-size cars. Granted that there is inflation but I think a greater factor are the rent seekers and misplaced national pride. Whenever I see national cars that are crumpled up in accidents, I just wonder how cheap are Malaysian lives.

typical malaysian, cannot afford a better car then blame gov again?
by the time of complaining about tax is freaking high about vehicle , do you think about the subsidy of petrol?
works hard to get better car , people.

Maybe you should start calculating the amount of petrol subsidy an average Malaysian driver can enjoy versus the taxes imposed on a brand new RM 80k-100k car. This is not to mention we are an oil producing country.

I no problem get an expensive car here but hey how u explain the case tat at Foreign country Malaysia OWNED BRANDED PROTON is selling like RM10k cheaper than in Malaysia? They used the money the Rakyat buy the local PROTON to subsidy their foreign CAR MARKETING CAMPAIGN.

This also happen in Korea before but Korea has stop this pratice, and nowadays Korean still choose their own Kia and Hyundai as their car proudly becoz their car is worth it. Here Malaysian is like i choose proton becoz proton make everything else expensive.... then again Proton also treat their local supporter here like big FISH where they can just chop off more to feed their foreign campaign. Dont think this is an healthy issue.


I WANT TO BE A PROUD MALAYSIAN ONE DAY THAT DRIVE OUR LOCAL BRANDED CAR! Now i better paid a premium price get a foreign car than support that LOSER PROTON.

But Japanese cars are just as bad, just that they are more expensive. I mean, the Japanese can make good, safe cars, but Malaysians will buy them even when they are not, so, well, they are neither safe nor good. That will change once Malaysians start buying contis en masse... then the Japanese will have to follow suit and give the cars the same specs as in Europe/start making the cars meant for Europe in Malaysia. Just, for example, have a look at http://www.toyota.co.uk.

And yeah, cars are expensive, but petrol is super cheap. When you look to Europe, do realize that a car of the same spec in Europe often costs a similar amount... perhaps a bit more in Malaysia, but the difference is not big. I believe the Malaysian government just says "a Myvi sized car can't be below 70k", but the specs are up to the manufacturer/importer. Thus a Fiesta sedan, as it is sold in Malaysia, would be at least as expensive in Germany, when it had the same specs. There is just a lack of entry level contis in Malaysia (it is not uncommon for a continental car in Europe to cost at least 2 times as much when you have finished spec'ing it... 200k RM just in options (so that you won't just get an empty box) are not unheard of).

And of course, there are the taxes, but afaik the difference between Malaysian and foreign cars is not so big. 30, 40% perhaps. Then you have to consider that a liter petrol costs around 1.60 € in Germany... RM 6.60.

I do agree that they should open the market... at least slowly. Which, IMHO, is actually happening (a well spec'ed Fiesta for 80k, where the MyVi with much much much worse specs costs more than 60k?). Maybe in a few years we will be able to buy an entry level Touran for 80k, as those in Europe can. Ok, probably not. But Proton seems to be preparing for that, their cars get better and better, and more desirable with each version (or they want to get into the global market again, including those areas where there is a lot of competition and the cars are on a higher level). Perodua not so much.

Inspira... Protons proudest achievement? Really? It's a freaking Mitsubishi. Good car, but it's not really their own development. Perdana too isn't a real Proton. I think the new one will be a good one. And it is developed by Proton.

Clearly u didn't get your facts right for the statement bolded. 1st of all the comparison itself is all wrong. Malaysian is 1 of the major oil producing countries in the world so if u want to compare then compare with US or the least our neighbor Brunei. 2nd Germans earn euros mind u not ringgits. Thus their fuel is still cheaper even though they aren't one of the major oil producing countries. Only bimbos with pea brain will actually convert other nations currency to ours and comment that our fuel is 'cheap' .3rd pls do some research before spurting your comment instead of actual fact.

For your reference - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum

A German AFAIK will not earn 4 times as much as a Malay for the same sort of work, after all taxes are deducted. And even if, cost of living is higher. Want to buy a house? Expect to pay at least 100000 Euro... ours would probably sell for around 170-200000, and it's an average terraced house in a slightly above average area. Going out for lunch/dinner? 10 Euro minimum.

A young copilot may earn 4000 Euro, if you work at Tesco it's probably more around 1000. On average married people earn 2141 Euro, unmarried ones 1771 (in 2007). I agree that it's very tough here, and those ridiculous car taxes are unnecessary.

But at least many do have a car, no matter how awful it is, and they can afford to run it. You could consider a new good and expensive car a luxury good, at least you have something that can bring you from A to B at a reasonable cost (relatively affordable fuel), so you can get to work. Even if it is neither comfortable nor safe to get there. But what good is it to own a car, but not to be able to use it to go to work cause you can't afford the petrol?

Also the fuel prices go up way faster than the earnings.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 29 2011, 12:03 AM

dunno about Europe case but this is what i been through.... i have a friend in Taiwan, she works as a Salesgirl at Taipei and got a salary likely to Malaysian RM5k per month (consider normal income in Taipei), she bought a full spec Corrolla Altis 2.0 for RM70k+-. the petrol they have there is like following the Global market which is like RM2.50-RM3.20.

So now in Malaysia, i myself also bought a Altis 2.0v for RM130k+, so the different is RM50-60k, but the petrol we paid here is RM1.90.

Let said i pump my car up with 40litter RON95 (RM76) every week, 1 month will be like RM304, so a year will be RM3648. If we used the highest price of RON95 Taiwan to calculate will be RM3.20 per litter and the same amount for 1 year will be RM6144.

So different will be RM6144 - RM3648 = RM2946 per year for no cheap subsidies petrol.... how much longer do i need to get back the balance of my Altis and her which is like RM50-60k????? 18 years????? This also means that the government excessive tax on foreign car is also bull shit and a campaign to make us all buy only PROTON?

TOTALLY AGREE

go for beauty teana....

Yes, they want to make you buy P1 or P2, that is why they keep the foreign cars expensive by forcing them to a higher price (again, it is up to the manufacturer to chose how the specs will be, so sometimes it is still good value for money, it is just kept out of reach for most.)

Why not consider Optima.... So damn gorgeous...