I also hate it when ppl keep saying support proton to make Malaysia maju... They should open up the market let all car compete equally... And frm there earn the customer using their own way instead forcing rakyat buy expensive car.

Australia have their own branded car but they did not impose heavy tax on foreigner car and still they are still lots of Holden on the road. Because theirvown branded car did deliver what the ppl needed.

Here in Malaysia the car r really not up to the standard... For the price proton is charging... I could said it is too expensive... And they sell their car cheaper in foreign country than at Malaysia... How cm their car be cheaper when shipping to England

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Agree. Do you all realise that Malaysians are driving smaller and smaller cars? Nowadays, RM 80k + only get you a Vios-size cars. Granted that there is inflation but I think a greater factor are the rent seekers and misplaced national pride. Whenever I see national cars that are crumpled up in accidents, I just wonder how cheap are Malaysian lives.

typical malaysian, cannot afford a better car then blame gov again?
by the time of complaining about tax is freaking high about vehicle , do you think about the subsidy of petrol?
works hard to get better car , people.

Maybe you should start calculating the amount of petrol subsidy an average Malaysian driver can enjoy versus the taxes imposed on a brand new RM 80k-100k car. This is not to mention we are an oil producing country.

I no problem get an expensive car here but hey how u explain the case tat at Foreign country Malaysia OWNED BRANDED PROTON is selling like RM10k cheaper than in Malaysia? They used the money the Rakyat buy the local PROTON to subsidy their foreign CAR MARKETING CAMPAIGN.

This also happen in Korea before but Korea has stop this pratice, and nowadays Korean still choose their own Kia and Hyundai as their car proudly becoz their car is worth it. Here Malaysian is like i choose proton becoz proton make everything else expensive.... then again Proton also treat their local supporter here like big FISH where they can just chop off more to feed their foreign campaign. Dont think this is an healthy issue.


I WANT TO BE A PROUD MALAYSIAN ONE DAY THAT DRIVE OUR LOCAL BRANDED CAR! Now i better paid a premium price get a foreign car than support that LOSER PROTON.

But Japanese cars are just as bad, just that they are more expensive. I mean, the Japanese can make good, safe cars, but Malaysians will buy them even when they are not, so, well, they are neither safe nor good. That will change once Malaysians start buying contis en masse... then the Japanese will have to follow suit and give the cars the same specs as in Europe/start making the cars meant for Europe in Malaysia. Just, for example, have a look at http://www.toyota.co.uk.

And yeah, cars are expensive, but petrol is super cheap. When you look to Europe, do realize that a car of the same spec in Europe often costs a similar amount... perhaps a bit more in Malaysia, but the difference is not big. I believe the Malaysian government just says "a Myvi sized car can't be below 70k", but the specs are up to the manufacturer/importer. Thus a Fiesta sedan, as it is sold in Malaysia, would be at least as expensive in Germany, when it had the same specs. There is just a lack of entry level contis in Malaysia (it is not uncommon for a continental car in Europe to cost at least 2 times as much when you have finished spec'ing it... 200k RM just in options (so that you won't just get an empty box) are not unheard of).

And of course, there are the taxes, but afaik the difference between Malaysian and foreign cars is not so big. 30, 40% perhaps. Then you have to consider that a liter petrol costs around 1.60 € in Germany... RM 6.60.

I do agree that they should open the market... at least slowly. Which, IMHO, is actually happening (a well spec'ed Fiesta for 80k, where the MyVi with much much much worse specs costs more than 60k?). Maybe in a few years we will be able to buy an entry level Touran for 80k, as those in Europe can. Ok, probably not. But Proton seems to be preparing for that, their cars get better and better, and more desirable with each version (or they want to get into the global market again, including those areas where there is a lot of competition and the cars are on a higher level). Perodua not so much.

Inspira... Protons proudest achievement? Really? It's a freaking Mitsubishi. Good car, but it's not really their own development. Perdana too isn't a real Proton. I think the new one will be a good one. And it is developed by Proton.

Clearly u didn't get your facts right for the statement bolded. 1st of all the comparison itself is all wrong. Malaysian is 1 of the major oil producing countries in the world so if u want to compare then compare with US or the least our neighbor Brunei. 2nd Germans earn euros mind u not ringgits. Thus their fuel is still cheaper even though they aren't one of the major oil producing countries. Only bimbos with pea brain will actually convert other nations currency to ours and comment that our fuel is 'cheap' .3rd pls do some research before spurting your comment instead of actual fact.

For your reference - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum

A German AFAIK will not earn 4 times as much as a Malay for the same sort of work, after all taxes are deducted. And even if, cost of living is higher. Want to buy a house? Expect to pay at least 100000 Euro... ours would probably sell for around 170-200000, and it's an average terraced house in a slightly above average area. Going out for lunch/dinner? 10 Euro minimum.

A young copilot may earn 4000 Euro, if you work at Tesco it's probably more around 1000. On average married people earn 2141 Euro, unmarried ones 1771 (in 2007). I agree that it's very tough here, and those ridiculous car taxes are unnecessary.

But at least many do have a car, no matter how awful it is, and they can afford to run it. You could consider a new good and expensive car a luxury good, at least you have something that can bring you from A to B at a reasonable cost (relatively affordable fuel), so you can get to work. Even if it is neither comfortable nor safe to get there. But what good is it to own a car, but not to be able to use it to go to work cause you can't afford the petrol?

Also the fuel prices go up way faster than the earnings.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 29 2011, 12:03 AM

dunno about Europe case but this is what i been through.... i have a friend in Taiwan, she works as a Salesgirl at Taipei and got a salary likely to Malaysian RM5k per month (consider normal income in Taipei), she bought a full spec Corrolla Altis 2.0 for RM70k+-. the petrol they have there is like following the Global market which is like RM2.50-RM3.20.

So now in Malaysia, i myself also bought a Altis 2.0v for RM130k+, so the different is RM50-60k, but the petrol we paid here is RM1.90.

Let said i pump my car up with 40litter RON95 (RM76) every week, 1 month will be like RM304, so a year will be RM3648. If we used the highest price of RON95 Taiwan to calculate will be RM3.20 per litter and the same amount for 1 year will be RM6144.

So different will be RM6144 - RM3648 = RM2946 per year for no cheap subsidies petrol.... how much longer do i need to get back the balance of my Altis and her which is like RM50-60k????? 18 years????? This also means that the government excessive tax on foreign car is also bull shit and a campaign to make us all buy only PROTON?

TOTALLY AGREE

go for beauty teana....

Yes, they want to make you buy P1 or P2, that is why they keep the foreign cars expensive by forcing them to a higher price (again, it is up to the manufacturer to chose how the specs will be, so sometimes it is still good value for money, it is just kept out of reach for most.)

Why not consider Optima.... So damn gorgeous...

Optima is gorgeous from the outside but Old fashion on the inside. not to criticize on them but what I see is based on the new car.



JLean @ http://undercoverproject.blogspot.com/


This post has been edited by JLean: Dec 29 2011, 03:50 PM

Teana, you will never regret!

Teana, just some one said this looks like uncle feel:)

I'll never think about the Altis because the Altis interior is just too tight and the quality also lower than Camry, especially the sound proofing, Camry wins hands down. And the most important is the price for Altis is just too expensive and too close to Camry region. So should we buy the Altis instead of Camry?

Personal preference lo.... I like corrola and Camry if go out alone sure will drive the altis

I'll go for teana 1st followed by camry. At least these two got the premium and classy feel. Altis is just plain stuck in between a premium and a normal sedan car. The pricing in which are leaning towards too near to a premium car makes it less desirable. But that's just me.