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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V16, Saga FLX SE 1.6 -> PRESSURE YOUR PEERS

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post Oct 31 2011, 04:28 PM

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xandras, i think ignition timing can be adjusted when you are using piggyback. not with stock ecu. even for campro, ignition timing is based on crank sensor, tap a piggyback you can alter the timing, by altering the sensor signal

as for the afr, rich afr is needed to keep the engine cool and to avoid pre-ignition at high rpm. heat kills. of course you dont run at 6k rpm all the time.


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post Oct 31 2011, 04:59 PM

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catcon is cheaper than engine though..hehe


Added on October 31, 2011, 5:03 pmanyway, 12 afr is not too rich. just rich enough to keep the engine cool.

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post Oct 31 2011, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Oct 31 2011, 06:33 PM)
AFR at 12 is rather rich to be exact. The AFR ranges from 8:1 to 20:1, 14.7 being the neutral, or 'balanced' state between the two ends. Maximum power of an NA engine is achieved at 12.5~12.8:1 AFR, so yes, 12:1 AFR is quite rich.

Burning rich could translate to many issues, one of them being the cat-con burning quickly.
Second, your FC may suffer.
Third, your spark plugs may also 'die' quicker, prompting an earlier than scheduled replacement.
Fourth, with all the unburnt excess fuel left over, you're wasting precious fuel (which in turns lead to #2 where your FC shoots up), and causes pollution (black smoke).
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yes, all true i agree, but generally, tuners or engineers have to opt a to safer option, that is to make it richer at higher rpm. considering that, its better to foul the plug, spoils the catcon than have to rebuild engine that will make the owner suffer.

after all, you wont be driving your car at 6-7k rpm all the time, so its acceptable.


Added on October 31, 2011, 9:00 pm
QUOTE(kenjilew @ Oct 31 2011, 08:09 PM)
well... u`re right... saga blm 1.3 is using a 16 bit siemens ECU... VDO 2000...


Added on October 31, 2011, 8:12 pm

LOL ! Bro SiuYi... tak boleh lar... my blm behind got 12inch woofer... no space for NGV tank... sad.gif
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Just to share with u guys, first batch blm is using siemens vdo, then batches after that, some 2nd batch or later are using continental ecu, which is the same as siemens vdo.

i think the ecu is the same at least for 1.3 fl/blm but fl 1.6 / le 1.6 / taxi / flx im not sure, maybe slight difference in fuel mapping and ignition timing.

generally the difference not because of different company, but maybe different car models. Continental bought siemens vdo http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/...ion_vdo_en.html

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post Nov 1 2011, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Nov 1 2011, 02:47 PM)
If u're thinking of getting it 1st quarter next year, then forget about Persona. New Persona R will be released soon. By then it should be sub-60k. CPS turbo yaw!! flex.gif
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CPS? i tot it will be campro kosong with turbo


Added on November 1, 2011, 4:25 pm
QUOTE(manBREASTer @ Nov 1 2011, 02:53 PM)
any news about the cvt oil issue? my agent say proton currently put flx on hold because of the issue. or is it just an excuse from him.. doh.gif
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cvt cooler issue?

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post Nov 1 2011, 04:35 PM

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no such thing as torque dip if the boost starts at 2k rpm..its lpt anyway.. sweat.gif

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post Nov 1 2011, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Nov 1 2011, 05:09 PM)
We wouldn't know mah. Exora turbo also havent come out yet. hmm.gif
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hehe ya..


Added on November 1, 2011, 5:10 pm
QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 1 2011, 04:28 PM)
saga flx vs myvi 1.5 auto...

which have better FC?
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sure myvi...got dvvt

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post Nov 1 2011, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 1 2011, 07:40 PM)
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DVVT and CVT is different wan ar?
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same...both got VT behind icon_rolleyes.gif...u heard CVVT ?
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post Nov 1 2011, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Nov 1 2011, 08:21 PM)
Got it used from a friend.

Price, hmm.

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nice...now need lowered spring...hehe
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post Nov 2 2011, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Nov 1 2011, 10:21 PM)
If that's still the fear, then it is a reflection of NO FAITH nor TRUST in Proton Campro engine reliability even after all these years?
Is the engine so badly designed/built that Proton wld juz attribute engine damage due to spark plugs? doh.gif

Other engine probs can b cheaply rectified even w/o warranty claims. True?
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what kind of spark plug you want to change lor..just change the compatible ones lor...got so many

ngk br6ef, tr6gp,

denso it20,it22
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post Nov 2 2011, 12:50 PM

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knn filter also not that good at filteration...

apexi dry elemen wins http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2091447&hl=


Added on November 2, 2011, 12:53 pmbut im interested with simota hehe

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post Nov 2 2011, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Nov 2 2011, 12:53 PM)
That comparison is done with open pod. Not drop in.
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they use same 'element' for both drop in and open pod

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post Nov 2 2011, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Nov 2 2011, 01:28 PM)
But is Apexi filter available in drop in form? hmm.gif
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its available, but its quite rare here, i dont think you can find apexi drop-in off the shelf for campro..summore there are so many apexi imitation here.

why so susah, just get simota filter, its being sold by works engineering as well.
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post Nov 2 2011, 02:11 PM

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omara, i recommend adding CAI to the heatshield..

another thing, jaga-jaga when banjir, water can splash up until the open pod level...depends on how u drive...ive seen few engine pecah because of using open pod without proper heatshield or cover from water

because i always lepak at my friend workshop, last rainy season, within a month got 2-3 cars went in with block pecah...

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post Nov 3 2011, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(omara86 @ Nov 3 2011, 02:49 PM)
1.6 stroker kit (from S4PH) is expensive and not that much power gained from that mod.. not worth money spent.. summore will hav bad effect bcoz the ECU tuned for 1.3 S4PE.. heheheh...

unless u mean aftermarket/forged stroker kit... hehehehe.. add Ross pistons, performance camshaft, adj cam pulley, lightened crank pulley, haltech sprint 500, etc etc... perrgghh... monster... hehehe
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of course ler..

1.6 stroker kit siap pasang only 2.8k...

u mentioned ross pistons, already 2-3k, hi camshaft ady 2k, cam pulley 500, haltech sprint 500 ady 2k..around 6-7k ady

labour and tuning cost tak kira lagi bro.. doh.gif
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post Nov 3 2011, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(omara86 @ Nov 3 2011, 03:24 PM)
that 1 require big sum of money, need 10k for BOT + management, but i didnt follow that, i buy BOT 1st (6k), management later, see wat happened now, my siput tergolek at rumah, i dun dare to BOT without management, later piston cair bcoz too lean..
wat i mean is doing 1.6 stroker kit wif that sum of money, power gain not worth the money spent, got limitation also, and need management also bcoz ecu cant fully process the new internal..

the later 1 can do part by part... and slowly grow up bcum monster... hehehehe...
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ya i understand now..but 1.6L ady also can play hi cam..no problem, can gain alot of power also.....anyway, most hi cam in market is for 1.6L campro not suitable for 1.3L

summore stock piston is ok if you play NA with hi cam etc..would be a waste use ross piston but play NA...hehe

u mention management, many piggyback nowadays kinda affordable, like ems-1 siap pasang 1.3k..unichip secondhand 1k..smt8 around 1.5k..if u upgrade / bot, still can use the piggyback... cool.gif

Bot stuff i dunno la...to have a reliable ones, at least need 8k...betul bro, fuelling must be proper..if not kaboom

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post Nov 3 2011, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 3 2011, 03:24 PM)
tukar gearbox, TUKAR GEARBOX~

right?
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tukar cvt?
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post Nov 3 2011, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 3 2011, 04:06 PM)
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like tat better buy another car.
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post Nov 3 2011, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(AMenzZ @ Nov 3 2011, 04:32 PM)
http://www.superdeals.my/auto/solar-contro...ar-tinting.html
USA Top Tinted Film (3M Crystalline 60/70) Heat Rejection 97%, UV99%.
SAGA RM210 for tint, deal? haha..
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removing the old tint more expensive than the tint.. tongue.gif


Added on November 3, 2011, 4:43 pmmy wifey viva has no tint at all...and its not a saloon car, so rm30? hehe

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post Nov 3 2011, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Nov 3 2011, 09:00 PM)
reduce petrol consumption means the engine consumes less than what it should.

i thought u get to nothing if u dun even touch anything which is directly related to the engine?

this is kerbau tahi.
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i think tint can reduce fc if the compressor doesnt have to work harder to maintain you aircond lor...maybe just a bit..

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post Nov 4 2011, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(lavenzo @ Nov 4 2011, 02:02 PM)
hmm....i have no car knowledge...can you briefly tell me wats the benefit CVT over MT or MT over CVT? i search ard internet found that CVT seem got alot new features...how MT? o.O thanks
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main benefit - no need to change gear and use clutch. flex.gif

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