Hi nice people here. Currently just thought of buying a console and wheels. Got a budget of around 3k (if got extra will buy other game titles too).


So which one should i get? Forza 4 or GT5?


some reviews,

forza 4


gt5






Graphics-wise i'm more inclined towards forza 4, but i got no idea on either games gameplay-wise. So any help will be appreciated here, still a noob in console gaming.

Thanks!

(on added note, what kind of setup for racing wheels can be done? is there any DIY method?)

This post has been edited by XBOXPS: Oct 13 2011, 04:09 PM

forza 4 - very nice game, must try

gt5 - highly overrated by some crazy naive fans

nfs shift 2 - overall its the BEST

Forza 4, but not because it's a better nor worse game, it's because you can get Forza 2 and 3 as well for XBox for your racing sim need while you have GT5 + Prologue only if you are getting PS3. Alternatively get XBox 360 + Wireless Speed Wheel + Forza 4 + PS3 + GT5 (your budget should be enough for all these), but then you'll have to wait a little longer to get the racing wheel, G27 I suppose.

get Forza series

GT5 is waaaay overrated by the budak kipas...

wow so much hate for gt5

TS, if possible try both game first, if you got friends that own both . you wont be disappointed with either game

You were the first person came to my mind when I saw this topic

whats the problem. buy la both. all working adults what. jesus christ.

it takes one to know one.

With 3k budget can get both system. For the extra, grab their exclusive tittle.

actually by that amount i gonna build racing set with seat, plus a display, so based on some googling there wont be much left from my budget.

not gonna put other type of games into the equation, since i'm abit old already and those are just not to my liking.

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Added on October 13, 2011, 10:34 pmi'm sorry i'm not that rich, that's why i only can afford playing super cars on simulation .

btw atm i can only afford one system (reason above), so it's more likely which one should be my first choice for racing. well, if i got money later i'll buy the other one (hopefully).

on another note, if there's any way i can save through diy frame it'll be appreciated.

This post has been edited by XBOXPS: Oct 13 2011, 10:37 PM

imho, i think you should concentrate on = console+game+wheels first. If you got a table (computer table) thats good enough

welcome to the lyn forums.

this thread might help forum.lowyat.net/topic/1771887/

oh i see. imho, you can get PS3 + GT5 + Logitech GT. price would be around 1.5k. the rest you can get the seat and display of your choice. Or you might want consider Logitech G27 around 1k iinm.

playing forza 4 demo, super impressive!

btw TS should try both games in game store. that shouldnt be hard since both are flagship racing game for both consoles.

good luck!

GT5 all the way .

daytona USA FTW!!

gran TURDismo or FLOPza or nfs SHIT?

your call.

(either one of the above is nice. try each first)

This post has been edited by EatMe: Oct 17 2011, 05:45 PM

GT5.

If you want accurate driving physics with exact replicated tracks, GT5 it is.

If you want arcade type tracks with nice sounding cars, get that other... whats it called?

This post has been edited by firestarter: Oct 17 2011, 05:52 PM

Im a ps3 owner and played GT5... overall playing time less than 5hrs,

As a previous xbox owner.. forza 3 was good.. dont know bout the new forza 4

Also as a pc gaming owner, NFS Shift is good

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Added on October 18, 2011, 9:46 amDude.. there are other game can replicate driving physics better..


This post has been edited by azsace: Oct 18 2011, 09:46 AM

Yes, sure, world physics and gravity changes everytime there's a new GT

Hmmm.. would not recommend to get xbox360.. xbox360 almost end of life already..

If u into console I'll get the PS3, but not GT5... maybe some other game

IF i were you, i tried to get a gaming PC... baru best.. but not the good news, a good gaming PC is quite expensive.. minimum to get nvidia GTX560, the game card alone also cost like rm800..
n throw in also the logitect driving force GT, rm500
since u dont have a display, i'll go for a HD ready LCD, rm800 (should be sufficient) no need to worry bout full HD with this screen size..

playseat... mean time just use normal chair la.. or cheap pc desk (modified).. less than rm100.. that wat im using now

and every new iteration of Forza, Shift for that matter

Honestly, there isn't much change in those terms for Forza. I remember playing GT1 and GT2, the driving need significant changes to adapt to the new simulator, the same happened when I played GT4 after spending hundreds of hours on GT3, can't simply drive the same despite using the same car on the same track. Of course this would be great since every new GT you would have to relearn the driving part, but it also loses its credentials claiming to be the real simulator. While I have been driving the same on all 4 Forzas, boring? May be. But is GT a good series? Can't see why it isn't, but close to reality? I have my own doubts on this. Anyway it's still a game, Forza or GT is for entertainment, and just pick the one that entertains you most.

well if every video game is perfect on their first iteration, then we wouldnt need Forza1,2,3 or GT1,2,3. You see, technology evolve over time. New discoveries are made.
I dont think PS1 in those days have the computing power to simulate all aspects of the car and the tracks. With the advancement of gaming hardware, they can put in more parameter in the game.

Nothing is perfect to be precise, but that's not the point here. If tweaks for each iteration is made to get closer to what it claimed to be then it's acceptable, but being something so far off and still labelling it as "real" each and everytime isn't something I can agree to.

thats marketing. If you believe all the tag line associated with a product, then Proton is the greatest car marquee on the world.

if talking bout console's life, both xbox360 and ps3 are nearing end-of-life already.

both are built upon the very similar POWER architecture, only got difference in the graphics department (of which none is a winner anyway).

some games looks far better on xbox360, while some looks better on ps3.



Forza 4 got tyre modelling physics with related properties (e.g: weight transfers) and performance data straight from Pirelli's database.

The developers even rented out each track for 2-3 days, doing tracing of the inside, middle and outside portions of the road surface. So they've mapped all the road crowning, tiny changes in camber, or angle, and other anomalies with subcentimeter accuracy.

It takes the most devoted of all the GT fanboys to ignore all the above and say Forza 4 is still an arcady game. Well, good luck.



+1

Yeah, physics, physics, physics. Looks like GT team got lots of physicist inside, creating new theories with each iteration of GT.

Nobel prize for them.



This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Oct 18 2011, 12:12 PM

Please prove to me that Forza 1, Forza 2, Forza 3 & Forza 4 has the same physics engine.

From wiki of Forza 2 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_2

Play the game first, then talk.

Revamped, yes. But it doesnt feel like playing on an another planet (like GT).

Plus, it's all these "realism" thing that lots of GT fanboys rave about, even to the extent of saying everything else is just arcade. Not Forza camp.

This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Oct 18 2011, 12:26 PM

That's I mentioned tweaking for each iteration is acceptable. Now, if you put your hatred towards Forza/love towards GT aside for a while, how would you judge GT5's damage & physics based on what you just posted?

Please see my GT and its 'evoHahn'. Then came back to me.

wrong answer.

Did i said i hate Forza? please find my post that said that.

I'm not bragging but here is the fact : I played GT series, Enthusia Motorsports (by Konami,the hardcore racing game on console), Forza1 & Forza2 (tested Forza3), F12010 on Steam and PS3, iRacing,rFactor,netKar,LFS, both Shift titles, Test Drive LeMans (best racing game on DC) etc etc etc. yes I'm a big fan of racing game.

GT5 has the 1337 , POWDERFUL physics engine? nope. and neither is Forza. why?

unless it has the computing power just like the F1 simulator currently employed by F1 teams, console hardware can never match them. So the developer of a racing game title has to make the physics model simplistic so that the hardware can cope.

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Added on October 18, 2011, 12:41 pmplease read my reply to gundamalpha's post.

This post has been edited by evoHahn: Oct 18 2011, 12:41 PM

Funnily enough, only the most hardcore fanboys will leave out this part and continue on spreading how their beloved GT is more real, only to make him/herself look less dumb.

Look, I don't want to say either Forza 4 or GT5 is superior, but saying one is real and the other one is not is just plain stupid.

And hey, it's better for GT5 to have a real competitor like Forza 4. If not, then good luck playing GT6 in another 6 years. Competition is good.

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Added on October 18, 2011, 12:47 pmHaha, nice one.

All the game are just games anyway. Of course all are "taik".

But of course the fanboys will keep on defending their "taik" like how cats and dogs defending the territory they pissed on. A very civilised world we live in.



This post has been edited by thisisit: Oct 18 2011, 12:49 PM

That gets back to the first reply you quoted mine, I was making that statement because someone said GT is real and Forza is arcade. Both have limitations, both are just games. But to claim one is reality and the other is arcade got me.

get gt5, sure wont regret







only apply if u dont have xbox360

i know that. thats why my reply also end with

To all of you who have quoted what i said and added your opinions..

That's of course your opinion and i fully respect that. Its all good!

I, however based my opinion from my own findings. Of course its my opinion.. I run xbox and ps3 side by side connected to two 55' led tvs. Only sharing the steering wheel and sound system. GT5 suits my driving style better, or perhaps i'm suited to gt from years of gt'in. And i don't find that gt's physics has changed with every new version of gt. To how i feel driving cars on the track, i prefer gt5's physics model because it just feels real.

Forza feels like an arcade game just like nfs shift and shift2 in the physics department. Regarding track rendition, I mean seriously, for eg: take a look at nordschleife track comparison between the real track, gt5 and forza4. Just search on google, its all there. If anyone still thinks that forza4 has accurately rendered tracks then you are a fanboy. (sorry) Having accurately correct tracks is very important to me because that's what driving and racing is all about. Otherwise, its an arcade game!

Graphics wise, both are awesome!

Both games have their pro's and con's but if asked which (like the op of this thread) then i choose gt5. Savvy?



This post has been edited by firestarter: Oct 18 2011, 02:34 PM

TS, if ur a hardcore racing fan, and owned both console, U MUST BUY BOTH!!!
cos its totally different game and depends on how u enjoyed it..

Gameplay=Forza
Wat i mean is in term of the career mode/customization/Kinect implementation..

Graphics & Physics=GT5 (accept damage graphics for GT5 kinda suck compare to Forza)
yup.. GT5 graphics still better for me.


This post has been edited by aaron_15ryderz: Oct 18 2011, 02:36 PM

this man speaks the truth.

personally for me, I love both series. They have their own different pedigree. But what sickens me are people who havent even try each game and typing manure here.

I bought the original xbox because of forza. I know even evohanh did. We love cars. We love to race. And we dont care which is which, as long as we enjoy the game. In the end, we have lives to live.

This gaming scene, is so small in this country. And we still, want to divide ourselves according to our console preference? So your 360 RODed on you, buy a new one. Big deal. So your PS3's lens died. its rm300 to fix. No need to b**** around like Sony invaded Palestine or something. Cant we just get along?

pft.

Why bring console reliability pulak? Both are craps anyway

Because I know few lads whose machines were spoilt, from there then on, anything that comes for their spoilt platform are automatic crap for them

i like

this sum it all... end of topic.
later it will become ps3 vs xbox tered bla bla bla bla...

off topic

Which one? I'm quite interested in the LA one but just can't get my hands on it

LA one bro.

Quite nice. but the hip hop music is annoying as hell!

if u like arcadey racing & likes to pimp car - go forza
if u like realistic handling (so far for console) & serious mp racing - go GT5

This post has been edited by riph: Oct 18 2011, 05:11 PM

huh

sucks GT5 dun have matchmaking lobby

OT Also.

MIDNIGHT CLUB FTW!

Letsee, judged on experience alone.

Car Physics - GT5
Tire Physics - Forza 4
Car Feedback - Forza 4
Car Models/Details - Forza 4

Singleplayer - Forza 4
Multiplayer - Forza 4
AI - Shift 2

But frankly, all these points are moot if the rest of your friends are on GT5 and you're the only one on Forza 4.

really want to buy those G 25 wheel, but after that need to build a cockpit pulak, then only will have feel

Yup, both are must have.

For graphics, I'd say GT5 is better than Forza 3, but not Forza 4.

This post has been edited by EatMe: Oct 19 2011, 08:08 PM

Answering TS question, here's my answer.

pick GT5 if you'd like a gigantic list of 1,000 cars. but the catch is,
- 148 are nissan
- 101 are honda
- 99 are mazda
- 93 are toyota
- 73 are mitsubishi
- and if you're a tree hugger, 3 Priuses are included too.
- got different class of cars being modeled by the developers, which are "Standard" and "Premium". Can't do much stuff on "Standard" cars, with generic dashboard across the hundreds cars (just introduced).
- damage is poorly rendered.
- online feature is meh.

pick Forza4 with only half the amount of cars on GT5, but,
- all cars are equally modeled. no distinction of "Standard" and "Premium" cars like gt5, hence it's better.
- sounded better than GT (but of course real-world is even better)
- graphics looks better, with improved lighting tech (image-based lighting).
- and if you're a tree hugger, 1 Prius is included.
- can't use logitech g27. need to pony up for the pricier Fanatec (albeit it's better made).
- got not much variety of weather effect.


btw if you got the money, buy both. These 2 games are very different games, hence the reason why you should own both.

physics wise, both got their own strength.

feature wise, GT5 got Photo Travel mode while Forza4 got AutoVista mode.

both got Tesla Roadster, so you can be the ultimate racing tree-hugger too.



But the ultimate bomb is, if you're looking to drive a Porsche then you can throw both games away.

This post has been edited by EatMe: Oct 19 2011, 09:08 PM

you forgot the crz and ruf

I HATE EA

Driver:SA FTW!

u mean SF?

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Added on October 20, 2011, 7:31 pmdont hate hate la, NFS can be played on both consoles what.

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Added on October 20, 2011, 7:35 pmI, for one, supports less carbon footprint virtually in a game

This post has been edited by thisisit: Oct 20 2011, 07:35 PM

cant comment on forza4 but from the looks and graphic it looks awesome. cant wait to try it someday.

To be honest gt5 is a bit of a letdown in someway (with all the hype and thousand of hours on production time)
and a great game in so many way ( realistic driving experience)
my real life driving knowledge/style/skills improve with GT12345.
if youre ON for simulator/real life type driving then GT is for you.

Btw between forza4 or gt5 its just a game....nothin more nothin less.

things about gt5
- yes i hate EA to becoz no latest 911/cayenne/panamerra in gt5!
- there is just to many japanese car same model different specs
(which the creator admit is a bit of a redundant after launching)
- there is no premium model for VEYRON!!!WTH
- some great tracks from gt4 were missing.
- needs updates for the game to run at its best.
- car sound were terrible and obnoxious (same as gt4321) i think
- car is not fully customizable (even rim were only for premium
car)WTF?? / performance MOD is same as gt1234 except no NOS
this time around
- car control is more realistic 1st time for GT to have drift and power
slide
- the game sometimes gets repetitive and bores you -always win with big margin ( meaning its time for lesser HP + normal tyres + off all driving aids)
- also for online play there is no way to beat a guy with the steering wheel(unless he really sucks). using DS3 is outdated @ this point of time for GT.

I dont play racing games on the xbox360 mainly because i cant find a wheel for sale to go with it!!
What a waste.

so, GT5 then.

I personally think that Forza sounds better than GT5 especially the Forza 4. But I will get GT5 because PS3 does support wider range of games compare to Xbox which is not enough of support in Malaysia. Unless, you just want to play one game, then you can pick Forza.

So, TS in the end which one you choose? I'd vote for GT5.

I still don't understand why EA hogging Porsche license all to themselve & why Porsche let them.

Turn 10 is kind enough to give permission to other studios to use Ferrari & NFS Shift 1 for awhile.

It's either EA or Porsche being a colossal ass.

Enthusia Professional Racing ftw!

So, ... TS can save money by just buying back PS2 (it supports G25 ifaik) .. or get one of the various PC racing simulation games e.g. those by SimBin, now that's more hardcore.

Srsly tho, sometimes too 'real' means it's a pain in the butt (metaphorically suspension-speaking) to fully enjoy the game .. unless u got l33t driving skill n u aspire to be pro racer one day ... oh wait ... that just means I'm not good enuf ...

Back on topic ... I'd love to own an Xbox720 and play Forza 4 too (waiting for a better time), but for now, I'd vote for GT5. Reasons? As aforementioned by some.

Im playing GT5 at the moment. But it seems the career mode and customization is better in FM4. Unfortunately I dun have xbox 360 yet. Would really love to get one in the near future.

havent played Forza 4, but it has to hell of a game, to be better than GT5
and personally I prefer ps3 stuff, although I have xbox360

Game play: GT5. Steering realistic, car feeling better. Career mode easy to win.

Others: Forza 4. Graphics, music, sound FX. All win. Track feeling better but not that real. Plus a new feature, Auto Vista.

The rest no comments.

This post has been edited by vinorgouki: Nov 24 2011, 09:26 AM

GT5 is total disappointment worth 6 years of mundaneness that only the selected devoting fanboys gonna defend it.

I cant say anything bout Forza4 since got no chance playing it.

Better get Shift 2.

Better get Live For Speed S2!

id say forza has awesome graphics and sound but the physics still does not live up to gt5, the most obvious is the lack of 900 degree steering PHYSICS, even gt4 has good 900 degree steering control.

By looking at the poll, the silent majority has spoken... just like our political scene

Actually it's more likely that the only console they have is PS3

PS3 fanboys are the most rabid bunch of the rest.

This post has been edited by Ayamkucing: Dec 5 2011, 08:46 AM

I dont see any 'PS3 owners VS 360 owners' posts being thrown in the thread, unlike yours. Go figure.

its war lol

Only a true "other platform fanboy" will say something childish like this in here!

It doesn't have to be. Most posters here love cars. That's a fact. And by that, like the actual stuff, both have flaws. Why can't we enjoy the common thing? Its not like we are comparing totally different things, like consoles and pc, that would be idiotic.

both... awesome game racing

Why all of sudden you felt butthurt? ...is the poll's current result poking your butt? ... kids this days

GT5 FTW!

Just played demo only for Forza 4, and it seems that the controls are little bit different than GT5...In terms of graphics, they are technically look beautiful to me...although I like the 'realism' feeling on GT5...

*with terms and conditions apply*



to everybody else, to be fair, both games got their own merit in 'realism' aspect. but that should stop just there.

Forza 4 got its tyre and suspension physics modeled much better. turn off assist and run few laps, see how the car behave. But sometimes the way it behaves with tracks aren't that realistic.
GT5 got a better body physics modeled than Forza 4, no doubt. But it falls short in some part where Forza 4 excels in physics-modelling.

Remember, I'm not even saying either one is realistic. One just got a better-modeled physics in certain part than another, and vice-versa. There's no such thing as 'realism' in a racing game as for now. In fact, no matter how we perceive one is more superior than another in either part, the physics modelling are actually pretty much simplified to be deemed 'real'. It's not like both the outdated consoles can cope with crunching gigantic amount of physics data alone, in real time.

Saying either one is more real than another is like the neverending stupid argument of battlefield vs call of duty. There's no way the guns can be simulated pretty close on the current hardware, not to say how the damage system works. and there's much less to say on a far more complex physics modelling like, errr, cars. on consoles.

Utter the word 'realism' here again and you're just a victim of PR and false advertising. BTW i love both games because both are great games. Games.

TS should just try both games at game shop first.

This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Dec 19 2011, 01:42 AM

You racing freaks got trolled by the TS as he hasn't been online since oct 13, when he first posted in this thread.

Also last chance to get outrun online arcade which is delisting from xbla and has the most realistic drifting action ever!