Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??

views
     
Cubalagi
post Mar 28 2023, 05:18 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 28 2023, 03:26 PM)
I am not believer of bonds.
*
Maybe end of this year I can revisit this belief with you ๐Ÿ˜‰
Cubalagi
post Sep 3 2023, 08:59 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(smallydupe @ Sep 2 2023, 10:10 PM)
Is end of the year again, is there any free gifts or promo to deposit in PRS like the years before?
Is there still rm3000 tax relief or no more?
*
3k tax relief is still around until assessment year 2025.


Cubalagi
post Oct 6 2023, 10:41 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 6 2023, 04:52 PM)
You have to understand that retire also have Asia Pacific dynamiv income and US market have been calling for past few days. If china and us market fall, your funds also will fall unless the hedge.
*
And if its a mixed asset fund, you also have bond prices falling because of spiking yields.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Oct 6 2023, 10:41 PM
Cubalagi
post Oct 10 2023, 09:29 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Seth Ho @ Oct 9 2023, 10:20 PM)
Which fund is consider defensive stock?
*
Firstly, a fund is not a stock. A stock are the shares of companies, like Maybank, Amazon, Tesla etc. A fund is a collective investment vehicle that invest in stocks, but could also be in other things like bonds, fd etc.

A PRS is usually structured as a Fund of Funds. A fund that invest in a variety of funds.

If you are looking for a "defensive" PRS, then one objective measure is to look at annualized volatility. Look for funds that have low annualized volatility of say, below 5%. Usually these funds has "conservative" in its name.

However, these funds will have consistently low returns and in the long term is not really worth it IMO.

I think these conservative funds are only useful tactically eg to lock in profits of higher risk funds. Personally I havent been using such a tactic as my PRS investment size has been small. However, it has been growing slowly over the years and there could be a time in the future where I will be more active in switching.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Oct 10 2023, 09:30 PM
Cubalagi
post Oct 18 2023, 11:28 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(cklimm @ Oct 18 2023, 11:12 AM)
second this, does Manulife reit good though?
*
Assuming, that there is no bad global recession (soft landing) and that interest rate has peaked, then it should do well.
Cubalagi
post Oct 22 2023, 10:28 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 18 2023, 11:30 AM)
I used to be a REIT guy until I realised that a REIT paying out 90% and giving you 5%, and a company paying out say 50%, it's no brainer to go with company over reits. That is why I dont hold reits anymore.

Also if you believe we will go back to zero interest time, then can buy.
*
Its not the same sector.

Buying stock is buying a business and getting the present and future cash flow from the business

Buying reit is buying commercial real estate and enjoying the rental. The advantage is that no corporate tax on the rental income is charged and the dividend payout rate is 90% (usual pre condition to get the tax exempt).


Cubalagi
post Feb 29 2024, 01:07 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(leanman @ Feb 29 2024, 01:02 PM)
My current fund isnโ€™t making good money lately. Any good other fund out there?
*
What's ur current PRS fund?

Cubalagi
post Mar 1 2024, 03:33 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(leanman @ Feb 29 2024, 03:09 PM)
I have Kenanga and AIA
*
Those are the asset managers not the funds itself.

But assuming yours are the equity prs, you should see some ok performance so far this year. Maybe you can consider not making any changes.


Cubalagi
post Mar 14 2024, 10:14 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(mynewuser @ Mar 14 2024, 10:01 AM)
My PRS from maybank - Etiqa. Why their return so bad? This PRS can stop after how many year?
*
Oh..i didint know Maybank has Prs.

Cubalagi
post Mar 16 2024, 05:23 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(mynewuser @ Mar 15 2024, 08:01 AM)
I think this plan will ask us to contribute fix amt till certain year. Else we will not able to enjoy any cash return.
*
This is not PRS
Cubalagi
post Mar 19 2024, 06:57 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 19 2024, 04:57 PM)
PRS Tax Relief is up to YA2025 currently, right ?
*
Correct YA 2025. 2 more years, unless extended again

Cubalagi
post Mar 21 2024, 08:01 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


I only have one PRS Fund which is the AHAM Moderste Fund. This is a typical 60% equity and 40% bond fund with abt half its assets outside Malaysia but focused on Asia Pac ex Japan.

user posted image

Year tondate performance is pretty good and hope it can continue to do well this year.

user posted image

This is performance since fund inception which was Dec 2012. Can see that it was perfoming well in the first 8 years up to early 2021 with 80% percent return. Performance turned bad in 2021/22 and it was down more than 15%. Its low was Oct 22. Likely due to bond losses as interest rate spiked and Chinese market crash. Since end of last year, however fund value has been up strongly. Hopefully can continue back on track.

Arguably 2021 and 2022 would be a good time to top up additional investments.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Mar 21 2024, 08:03 AM
Cubalagi
post Mar 22 2024, 09:53 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 22 2024, 09:23 AM)
ky33 bought the peak of the time.... so sure lose money now logically.

The person who gets burnt will always remember the bad incidents.
All investors should be forward thinking. learn from the past and become better investor.

If you don't learn, you'll be burnt again and again until you get burned literally (ie. die in cremation)
*
And I saw there was withdrawal. From Account 2? Buy high sell low case?


And kena pay tax 8% or not?

QUOTE(ky33li @ Mar 20 2024, 12:39 AM)

user posted image
*
Cubalagi
post Apr 9 2024, 03:27 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 8 2024, 05:37 PM)
I don't think will end at 2025. They want to encourage Malaysians to save.. so likely will extend.

This PRS is more useful to those that dont want to learn investing themselves.. they will likely end up putting more money into it.
*
I add more than the min 3k as I also use prs as a "strategy diversifier" for my retirement savings.

First, I have my own DIY portfolio which Im the portfolio manager. Second, I also have EPF where the manager is the government appointed one. And finally, PRS which is a private sector one.

Of course, using my DIY portfolio, I try to beat the other two. However, Im open to the possibility that Im not as smart as I think I am and there could be times where these others beat me.

Cubalagi
post May 19 2024, 11:58 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014



My PRS doing well so far this year.

Aham moderate PRS fund

user posted image
Cubalagi
post May 19 2024, 11:00 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(guy3288 @ May 19 2024, 05:38 PM)
Principal RetireEasy 2050 - Class C from Dec 2023 to now already 19+%
in  6 months

semua pun naik
user posted image
*
Wah..there is also a 47% return ๐Ÿ˜ฒ
Cubalagi
post May 20 2024, 07:23 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 19 2024, 11:45 PM)

That's also why I snubbed all AHAM funds as they cannot beat Principal retire easy performance even though Versa trying to dangle me some carrots
*
That 47% was from an Aham prs fund tho.

Cubalagi
post Jul 12 2024, 06:11 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(poooky @ Jul 12 2024, 04:13 PM)
Yes, maybe you're right. I'm just a little hesitant with how quickly the market has gone up since COVID. I feel that a major correct is coming. But since can't with until 55 I guess doesn't matter. Might as well just lump sump 3k into Easy50.
*
You can look at those Conservative PRS funds.

But long term, not a good idea as performance just FD like.


Cubalagi
post Aug 8 2024, 02:00 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Aug 7 2024, 11:51 AM)
wow prs gains this year almost wiped out in a few days
*
See tmrrw NAV. Big swings in market last few days.

Cubalagi
post Dec 19 2024, 02:34 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2014


QUOTE(jcwy @ Dec 19 2024, 11:01 AM)
hi guys, newbie here. If buying PRS now, can still make it for the 2024 tax relief? Planning to open account through FSM. Btw, which fund is the most recommended one? Thanks all.
*
Yes of course..still 2024.


3 Pages < 1 2 3 >Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0320sec    0.25    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 5th December 2025 - 12:28 AM