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tehoice
post Aug 4 2020, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Aug 2 2020, 08:55 AM)
I don't agree.
Their PRS fund beat others since 2019 only, b4 that..... ๐Ÿ˜…
I agree with the view of above, long run n one time only is ok, but if every year, make sure every year at least 3% return ๐Ÿ˜‚
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if every year 3% return only also just breakeven, if this goes on in the long run, you're better off putting your money in FD too.
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post Aug 4 2020, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Aug 4 2020, 10:31 AM)
It is mainly for tax relief.
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ok fine, got a point. that one immediately got some few hundred bucks back in cash.

but don't forget also, you cannot withdraw the money until you're 55.

so assuming if the tax relief thing is only until 2022 and the gomen didnt extend the tax relief perk.

then your money is stuck in there for another dunno how many years.

let's throw in a scenario, if you're 30 this year and you can still qualify for the tax relief for the next 2 years.

assuming RM3k x 24% tax savings = RM720 per year x 2 = RM1440 for the next 2 years and no more after that.

then assume your fund is stuck inside until you're 55, means 55 - 32 = another 23 years to go.

assuming the fund only make 3%, or 4% which means you stand to gain 1% p.a. for the next 23 years.

wouldn't you be better off in the long run until 55, having your money in the FD with compounding effect than the tax savings + PRS?

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post Aug 4 2020, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 4 2020, 10:50 AM)
That's why must know which fund to buy. Buy lousy fund you get -ve or 2-3% return.

Buy good funds at right time can easily make 10%p.a

That's the main reason I don't simply buy funds.
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but it is pretty difficult to "time" the market, the general idea of DCA is to eliminate all the noises, doing it regularly would smoothen your costs out and at the same time stay invested.
There's this theory where "time in the market" > "time the market", right?


QUOTE(ironman16 @ Aug 4 2020, 10:50 AM)
Good points ๐Ÿ‘
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Thanks. Corrected the tax relief of up until 2022.

One must also consider what they're up to.

Like Ramjade rightly pointed out, picking the right fund is very important especially in this PRS because you are going to have your money stuck in there for the next many many years.

unless you only have a few more years left until 55, then you can stand to fully capitalise the tax relief.
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post Aug 4 2020, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 4 2020, 11:23 AM)
Do both. Time your entry and do time in the market. Don't sell.
Buy when everyone and news telling you stock market plunge by XX amount.
You have one year every year to monitor.
I have been doing that every year. Everytime news said trade war getting worse. Market drop by XX amount, I buy.
So far it works wonders.
Everytime they tell you market roaring, green reaching almost all time.high, I stay away.
Timing can never be perfect. You cannot catch the bottom but if you can catch near bottom is good enough.

I don't fear a down market. I welcome it. Cause that's the time to go shopping. Load up on all the discount stocks.

Tax relief is until 2021. 2021 is last year to buy PRS to claim in 2020. Unless they extend.
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yeah, i've been doing both. with the regular monthly DCA.

plus, buying extra when there's bad news regarding the market. been doing that quite a bit especially in stashaway.

on the tax relief, thanks for the correction, i thought it is until 2022. so in this case until 2021, means the last tax filing to claim such tax will be by April 2022.

those who are going in now just to get the tax relief gotta be extra careful if you don't want your money stuck there for the next many years.


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post Aug 4 2020, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(CSW1990 @ Aug 4 2020, 11:36 AM)
PRS purpose is for retirement, long term investment, same purpose like EPF. A force saving with 3000 tax relief that might help much to certain group of people especially those donโ€™t have self discipline to save for retirement.
Isnโ€™t it better than those force saving plan eg insurance saving plan?
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agreed. but gotta bear in mind, picking the right fund is equally important.

The argument was, there's no point if the return of the fund is 3-4% p.a. and you're paying 3% annual fees for that fund. This will kill you in the long run, hypothetically.
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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Nov 12 2020, 08:23 AM)
Glad that tax rebate is further extended for a few years more.
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is this confirmed already?
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post Nov 13 2020, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Nov 12 2020, 06:04 PM)
It's in Budget 2021.
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yup ok found it. will continue put in money for the next 5 years then. hehe
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post Nov 13 2020, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 13 2020, 10:01 AM)
I just wished they would allow those robo to be included for  PRS.
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you have robo investment and not PRS?
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post Dec 2 2020, 11:16 AM

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Has anyone of you withdraw the 1,500 for each fund house you have investment with from Account B of your PRS as permitted by the government?
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post Dec 2 2020, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 2 2020, 11:37 AM)
no sure if can...withdraw 1.5k tax free.....then add in 1.5k fresh fund = total 3k...buy again PRS fund 3k...claim RM3k tax relief.....
if can....walao....sure untung
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hahah potential loophole, but sounds fantastic if this can be done ehhhhhh tongue.gif

anyway, if you put in 1.5k = tax relief for 1.5k right.

withdrawal also can claim tax meh?

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post Dec 2 2020, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Dec 2 2020, 12:14 PM)
The taken out RM 1.5k is going back to buy PRS fund with additional RM 1.5k to make up for the RM 3k for tax relief.
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ohhh.... i don't see any thing that prevent one from doing such thing. highly possible if you ask me.
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post Dec 2 2020, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Dec 2 2020, 12:19 PM)
Agreed with you.
But from I heard, the withdrawal is very troublesome as there's no e-withdrawal like EPF.
You need to deal with the respective PRS provider and submit physical original copy of the forms.
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oh? i thought we could do via PPA website?

QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Dec 2 2020, 12:48 PM)
account B only have 30%, account A 70%. withdrawal can only be made on funds invested more than 1 year, ie last year.
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Yes, the only dilemma is last year those funds didnt really make positive returns, so in another words, selling at a loss.

QUOTE(ky33li @ Dec 2 2020, 01:22 PM)
yes i did with no penalty.
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hmm, still thinking if I should withdraw the money and put it into elsewhere like stashaway or others.

but what is stopping me is the negative return for 2019. But also not to forget, we also do have instant profits when we claim our tax relief.

so it's kinda even out.
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post Dec 2 2020, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Dec 2 2020, 02:30 PM)
As far as I know upon reading the FAQ from PPA portal, PPA won't facilitate the withdrawal. You deal it yourself with PRS provider.

Also, I don't think there's sell or withdrawal feature at PPA portal.
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ok thanks for the info. i think i will withdraw from one of the 2 providers i invested in.


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post Dec 2 2020, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Dec 2 2020, 03:06 PM)
which fund u purchase?
can switch within the same fund house,... brows.gif
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i have cimb and kenanga. tongue.gif
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post Dec 30 2020, 10:55 AM

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Withdrew RM1500 without penalty under the PENJANA.

withdrawal reflected in PPA account already, but still yet to receive the money.
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post Dec 30 2020, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Dec 30 2020, 11:13 AM)
Withdraw from which PRS provider?
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Kenanga Investors Berhad.

I was so happen in KL that day, so went to do it together.
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post Dec 30 2020, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Dec 30 2020, 11:46 AM)
Need to submit physical forms?
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not too sure about others, but for KIB, yes, you can email the scan copy first, but your physical copy must reach them within 5 working days.

QUOTE(victorian @ Dec 30 2020, 11:48 AM)
Redemption was fast, but payment takes about one week
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I see, alright then, money should be in, soon for me.
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post Dec 30 2020, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Dec 30 2020, 12:10 PM)
I'm only referring to KIB.

Guess the physical copy is somehow still needed.

Thanks for the info!
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no worries~! you have final 2 days to do it....
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 21 2021, 04:39 PM)
the bank will do that without our consent?
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i think there is a fine print in the disclosure from your fund house, you should take a look.

i remember receiving a letter from a fund house updating me of the change in its classification and according to its age group, etc.


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QUOTE(junclj @ Apr 21 2021, 04:43 PM)
Yes, will automatic switch when you reach certain age.
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bro, read again.

It says, by default option. so you can actually select a "non-default option".

So by default, it will switch for you automatically, unlesssss you have instructed otherwise......

so meaning to say, you still have a choice of not switching to a more conservative fund when you attained that age group.

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