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post Mar 14 2014, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(miniram @ Mar 14 2014, 07:06 PM)
Hi, I would like to put some moneys in PRS.
But I have no experience on this scheme, so before I proceed, I would like to seek some advice from you.

1. May I know is that any fee such as management fee or other charges required?

2. Budget 2014 state that it will help us to top up RM500 for PRS. How to claim that RM500?

3. Among PBB, Hwang, CIMB, which is the best? (in term of processing fee, management fee and etc etc, or maybe interest)

Any advice is appreciated.

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1. yes, the fund houses will charge you a fee. Other charges? check with relevant fund house.

2. All you have to do is to invest at least RM1,000 into your PRS account, and they RM500 shall be in your account sooner or later, I was told you have to wait for a few months for that.

3. Pick up their respective prospectuses and start reading it, it depend on which fund house you like. As for the fees, I did not check with the other fund houses, but there are more or less charging the same amount (AFAIK).
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post Mar 19 2014, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(miniram @ Mar 19 2014, 04:53 PM)
Thanks for reply.

One more question.
Should I directly go to the bank to invest PRS or should I invest through fundsupermart.com?
FYI, I don't have account in fundsupermart.com and not familiar with it. Just know I can invest through it.
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If you invest through banks, you may end up be charged a little bit more, as I believe fundsupermart should be charging a cheaper rate than others right?? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

but if with other banks, you may get an agent, like my case, my agent is a nice guy to talk to and he is very professional in doing his job. so I don't mind paying a little more though. Whereas in fundsupermart, you may or may not be able to get someone to advise you on their funds... you must make sure you read through all the prospectuses...

Good luck
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post Mar 20 2014, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 19 2014, 10:21 PM)
rolleyes.gif hwang investment Mgmt has 0% sc on PRS and has many good looking staffs too...1 stone many birds? drool.gif
http://www.hwangim.com/investment-solution...tirement-scheme
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hmmm good for you
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 20 2014, 04:59 PM)
haha... you also can go for Hwang PRS ma.. get 0%sc
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hmm... Let me see... for this hwang PRS, can I buy through fsm?
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post Mar 22 2014, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 20 2014, 10:49 PM)
okie, thank you! but are these hwang PRS funds really making good returns? the one I invested so far, have been consistently showing about 12-14% return per annum...which is quite steady in my opinion...

what do you guys think? hmm.gif
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post Aug 4 2014, 03:22 PM

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Can I ask, can I switch from one prs fund to another prs fund?

eg, currently invested 2k in cimb funds, but i want to switch to kenanga funds instead, with the same 2k, sell them off and buy into kenanga?

maybe I can't use my current agent to do so because he's from CWA, so can I ask him to sell for me, then I use that money in my prs account to buy something else? thx.
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post Aug 4 2014, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(shenshenshen @ Aug 4 2014, 03:39 PM)
check with PRS provider bro. there is no transferring fee for RHB in my case. CIMB i think there are charges.
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hmm, okay will do. thanks.
currently checking, will update you guys if I have the update.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 4 2014, 04:22 PM)
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thanks sifu, i also just got in touch with my agent. so Am now thinking how to manage these already invested funds. hmm.. now 2k in this cimb funds, if I transfer to kenanga, can I use fundsupermart to purchase instead?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 4 2014, 04:45 PM)
You should ask FSM CS.

My opinion shouldn't be a big problem as PRS is under your name and FSM can access your info from PPA.
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thanks. already shot them an email.

let's see what they have got for me. thank you.
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post Aug 5 2014, 06:36 PM

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hi all, an update and fyi only. PPA is quite efficient too, kudos to them.

"A Member may make a full or partial transfer from one or multiple funds managed by the Transferor Provider, subject to the PRS Guidelines. Members are to approach the Transferee Provider to complete a Transfer Form as well as other relevant forms. Request for transfer must be made in units and a Member will not be required to indicate the breakdown on the number of units to be transferred from sub-account A and sub-account B respectively.


We append herewith, the terms and conditions for Transfer :

A Transfer can only be performed subject to there being sufficient units in the fund(s) selected for transfer (after deducting the applicable fees and charges)

Where the net amount to be transferred meets the minimum contribution requirement of the Transferee Provider (the receiving Provider)

A transfer request can only be conducted once per calendar year (there had been no prior transfer with the Transferor Provider (releasing Provider) in that calendar year)

Members are only allowed to transfer to one fund. Each transfer request is only between two PRS Providers which must involve a transfer of one or more funds from the Transferor Provider to one or more funds of the Transferee Provider. Splitting of funds is not allowed for transfer for example from a single fund to two or more funds."


case by case basis: on my case - You are not allowed to perform the transfer request as Transfers can only be instructed between Providers after the first year of subscription to the PRS from the date of first contribution."


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QUOTE(louis6 @ Dec 5 2017, 03:40 PM)
I just want to sign up for tax deduction and stop once there's no tax relief anymore.

If put in 3k then govern top up 1k, I will get relief for 3k as well ?

Can I make it for this financial year if I open an account next week?

Which bank would you recommend ?
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so far, the tax relief is until 2021 (please correct me if i'm wrong). so you can make full use of it.

only the 3k you put is subject to relief, not the 1k from gomen

still plenty of time, just gotta make sure you put it in by the end of this year and should be eligible.

which bank? which fund? do your own homework and make your own decision as to which one you wanna invest in.
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QUOTE(Cactus89 @ Jul 31 2018, 12:58 PM)
Aim for the 3k tax relief.. regarding the 1k incentive, I think the gov has run out of allocation and with reduce revenue due to 0% gst.. where got money to pay now.  wait until SST being implemented..just my 2 cent..
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i invested RM1000 way earlier, maybe like 5-6 years ago.

i only received the incentive of RM500 after like 2 years after i started the investment.

so, be patience, it will be in your account.

also, we the earlier batch only get RM500 instead of RM1000 now.
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post Apr 8 2020, 12:09 PM

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anyone here plan to withdrawl the RM1500 from your account B with each PRS provider?


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post Apr 8 2020, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 8 2020, 12:13 PM)
not me - i'd rather rob my EPF AC2 via LESTARI

PRS = investment, thus.. buy high (earlier), sell low (now)?
nah unless really need the cash flow
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i did a brief calculation of how much my account has made (pure profit for 2019), since don't have the actual official numbers on my profit.

The recent market tumbles wiped out all of my profits made for 2019. despite that, when you withdraw, you are merely withdrawing your past years' profit and you still let your capital run in it. at least for my case lah. Yes, now is really a buy high and sell low situation, but my own argument is, look back at the main reason for me to invest into PRS and that is the tax relief of 3k each year.

Now that you're able to withdraw at least some money back at no penalty, why not take this chance and cash it out a little.

so the cash out from account B is merely withdrawing some of the profits that you have made in your past years.

Minus the investment concept, letting the monies remain in your account, be it, EPF or PRS, is because you want to let the magic of compounding to work for your future retirement pot. i assume your EPF will certainly has much bigger pot of money and the compounding effect can definitely works better than your money does in the PRS right? (let's just assume, say 5% p.a. for each).

So let's say you have 2 providers and both also more than RM1500 in your account, won't you withdraw RM3k from PRS instead of EPF?
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Apr 8 2020, 12:27 PM)
I bought one PRS fund in 2015. Simple ROI without considering MWA via DCA/RSP effect is close to break even.
If I withdraw RM 1500 now, what profit am I withdrawing?
If settlement date falls at the wrong date, I'm selling the fund in loss.

Am I right?
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I am not too sure about your situation, given your scenario, even if you have not made losses, you are withdrawing your capital only, but you lose out on time vs returns lah, after 4 years plus, you didnt get any return for the monies you invested in.

i invested much earlier in 2012/2013 (can't remember which year). i have certainly made profits (simple ROI (didnt really track of its performance)), especially when my investments costs was zero (was with a PRS provider). So for me, i will be withdrawing my profits despite the recent market wiped out all of my 2019 profits.
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QUOTE(Gabriel03 @ Apr 8 2020, 12:34 PM)
Don't forget that you have been receiving profit every year in terms of tax relief. Depending on your annual salary, the profit can be from 1% to 26%.

In my point of view, I invest in PRS solely for tax relief benefits. I have other long term investments where it is easier to tweak since there is less restrictions compared to PRS. Furthermore, the PRS fund are mostly focus on Malaysia or Asia Pacific Market, thus limits the choice of investment.

I'm planning to withdraw the 1.5k to invest the money elsewhere. So, i sell the investment low but I get to invest somewhere else at a lower price.

However, I will only go through with it if LHDN don't declare that the tax for PRS is the net flow (deposit - withdraw) like in Sspn.
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So we have the same ultimate motive when it comes to investing in PRS, i.e. the tax relief.

given that the tax relief is only up to 2021, will you continue pouring in money starting 2022? I guess the answer is no.
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nobody is saying one is wrong. that's why this is forum discussion all about.

tax relief is certainly a gain for you derived from such investment.

it's just like your benefits-in-kind received from your company, it's not cash, but you will still be taxed for those.

similar concept. whether you want to consider that as a part of your taxable income, then that's not up to you.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 8 2020, 12:48 PM)
"Now that you're able to withdraw at least some money back at no penalty, why not take this chance and cash it out a little."
this is not a sure thing yet - LHDN has yet said anything

"so the cash out from account B is merely withdrawing some of the profits that you have made in your past years. "
my POV doesnt jive with such logic,
i simplify to "buy high, sell low"

"Minus the investment concept, letting the monies remain in your account, be it, EPF or PRS, is because you want to let the magic of compounding to work for your future retirement pot. i assume your EPF will certainly has much bigger pot of money and the compounding effect can definitely works better than your money does in the PRS right? (let's just assume, say 5% p.a. for each). "
my POV doesnt jive with such logic too.
what has EPF's bigger pot has anything to do with PRS smaller pot, in context of removing/selling down EPF or PRS?
ie. assuming both same returns as U said, so why would amount in EPF matter to amount in PRS?
logic = ?
5%pa is 5%pa loss on amount taken/sold out, whether or not i took out from EPF or sold PRS $1.5K

In addition - for sure EPF out doesnt impact my tax relief, thus my views on taking/not taking out PRS. It'll be my last card - after robbing:
1. EPF A/C2 via LESTARI & monthly mortgage withdrawal
2. flexi-mortgage prepayments
3. SSPNs

no ultimate right/wrong ya - it depends on one's situation and one's access to tools/knowledge. Best we can do is to make sure the logic & maths is sound.
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ok got your concept.


additional question, i get confused after reading your post or some other posts. Withdrawing from PRS is not equivalent to income right? you're not gonna add this 1.5k into your tax return as income right? it has no more tax implication, right?
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Apr 8 2020, 01:10 PM)
Hi,

Sorry but I am not asking about it being tax free.

I wanted to withdraw the RM1,500 and later just top up another RM1,500 to make it a sum of RM3,000. This RM3,000 I plan to put back in to PRS to enjoy tax exemption in 2020.
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you withdraw 1.5k

then later topup 1.5k

how does this equate as contribution of 3k to maximise the tax relief at 3k?

at most is just 1.5k. tax relief is based on your contribution amount and not inclusive of withdrawl i believe.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 8 2020, 02:07 PM)
hmm..
is it current offer of RM1.5k withdrawal offer?
OR
"usual withdrawal", where if below retirement 55, we have to "pay back" 8%. as cost of withdrawal?

other than the above possibility,
i havent read anything on similar on "equivalent to additional income, thus impact total tax of 2020, filed in 2021 Mar/Apr".
yeah - i betting that too since LHDN learned from their earlier SSPN loop-hole (now closed off)
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erm, i am referring to this current 1.5k withdrawal offer.

but even if so, i supposed the normal withdrawal too will not be considered as an income to you right? the one that you will have to pay 8% penalty.

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