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post May 2 2016, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(ppfoong @ May 2 2016, 10:51 PM)
I aimed for the BMW 320i, but no luck oh.
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Fu-yoh! So garang ar!

I dapat two umbrellas (my wife also got wan), I happy liao... don't even want to think about BMW!

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post May 2 2016, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 2 2016, 10:53 PM)
First, xuzen is an ex PM consultant (correct me if you are still working with PB). He became an agent himself to save cost. But turn out he found it even much more profitable to DIY himself.

Haha... I never use public bank, nor will I use them until they can give me something good in return. Chinaman bank = stingy bank (FD, CC cashback, low interest account have shown). So nope. It might be one of the well managed bank in Malaysia (no denying that) but it's only good if you are shareholder. Not a consumer. Big does not mean = good. Symantec and Mcafee have the largest market share in antivirus but their products frankly suck.

Brochures and stuff don't show us the real data. Show us proof from real returns (raw . One thing I have learnt is investors care about real solid returns. And (correct me if I am wrong), they (DIY) found out that PM funds perform more or less same with DIY funds. Extra charges from PM makes the returns unattractive IF we factor in the service charge.

Return of 6-10% already include service charge or haven't? hmm.gif

Conspiracy? We just cannot see the benefits of paying more for something which is performing same/worse than other products in the market.

What if I were to tell you that there is a DIY investor who made RM10m? If they are not DIY investor, how can they advise people based on experience? rclxub.gif Ya, people can talk c***. But if they present you with no and proof, how to argue?

We should all learn form the best. Accept criticism. That's how we improve our self. smile.gif That's how you can get more customers.  biggrin.gif
M = manuallife?
Precisely. Investors are looking for returns.
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Pai-seh, Pai-Seh, Me = UTC with Pub-Mut from 2008 - 2013 (5 years nia). Those times where got DIY platform wan.... where got zero sales charge? Dream on lar!

Newbie wanna berlagak di sini... perhaps just got his UTC license?

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post May 2 2016, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(sniperz @ May 2 2016, 10:52 PM)
Good insight!
That's not the end financial year performance. Show me other ASM company's statistic from Morningstar.com too? Which you think is as negative as PMB?
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Don't want to show you negative one; for what? Better show you those that have positive return lar!

BTW... psst psst; all these have ZERO SALES CHARGE! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Meaning: Positive return without paying any sales charge versus paying 3% sales charge and get negative return. Your customer got scold you or not?

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post May 2 2016, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(sniperz @ May 2 2016, 11:01 PM)
Which UTC claims PMB no zero sales charge?  Your 5 years in selling, how many awards or activeness you are in?
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PMB now got zero sales charge liao meh? Sure boh? That Ms Yeo change her strategy liao ar?

I do not have any award but I am active as in I meet all the quotas.

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post May 3 2016, 11:13 AM

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Lahm,

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2016 - 2012 = 4 years; one more year your Mngt fee would be 1.5%, so change or no change makes no different.

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2.25% - 1.5% = 0.75% savings in Mngt fee. If you pay upfront 3% sales charge, it will take 4 years to neutralize the initial sales charge. But by year 5, both the Class A and C will be 1.5%, so not much different. It is like one, you pay first, the other you pay annually. To me, both makes no different.

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IMO it is a bad move, see explanation above.

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post May 3 2016, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ May 3 2016, 02:00 PM)
Why people are still so concern about annual management/trustee fees? Is it because it is directly related to the expected returns? Because the management team cream off the fee from the returns? Higher annual fees will lower the expected returns, and having the lower or lowest annual fee will result in higher returns?

Higher annual fee = Lower returns.
Lower annual fee = Higher returns.

True, kah?

If like that, all the bosses in the world should never give increments, bonuses, and incentives for better productivity.
Hire CEOs with multi million salaries is a joke play on the shareholders?
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When it is good times, investors are making good money, nobody cares about management fee.

When it is bad times, investors are losing money, it is natural to be more sensitive towards expenses.

A good compromise should be a tiered management fee based on performance; let's say Alpha-Jessen Ratio + Y%, then your management fee is baseline + X%, the better performance above benchmark, the more they get. This is fairer than a fixed rate performance fee.

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ May 3 2016, 02:50 PM)
What logic is that? Investors should care or no care about management fee based on market trend?

Management fee should not be in the checklist at all when considerating which fund to select.

As you said about comparing performance against benchmark... that should be in the checklist - the past track record of the fund. And rewarding the fund company by buying or not buying its fund (no buy = zero management fee, buy = full management fee) is already in place, so no need any 'compromise' fee packgage.
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Why is my logic strange?

All I am saying is that management fee should be fairer to investor; low basic fee say < 0.5% p.a. but if they outperform peer or benchmark, then they deserve a higher reward. There are numerous efficiency ratios to measure the out-performance. Just choose one.

This performance benchmark remuneration is so prevalent these days,,, e.g., salesman have low basic but they get sales com; factory worker have low basic but they get overtime or production incentive etc...

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post May 6 2016, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(sniperz @ May 3 2016, 05:53 PM)
Can employ you for PRS manager?
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I) Don't have a CMSLR license for fund management.

II) Already got a full time job. Not looking to change job at the moment.

III) Are you the HR manager of an asset management company? Do you have the authority to hire fund manager boh?

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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Jul 22 2016, 02:56 PM)
AffinHwang dont have independent agents like Public Mutual.   All of them are in-house sales agents directly attached to AffinHwang.  May have to call their office to find one.
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AHAM main distribution channel is mainly through banks, no?

I obtained this view when I heard the interview with AHAM's MD Mr Teng Chee Wei on radio station BFM not too long ago.

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post Aug 16 2016, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(csting87 @ Aug 15 2016, 07:02 PM)
Lazy to submit all documents to FSM via email. Prefer agent to fill up the form n etc.
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Should you take the hardworking route and for only one time to fill up the form, thereafter all capital injection shall be at zero sales charge.

Alternately should you continue to rely on an agent forever you will have to pay two percent sales charge for all subsequent capital injection into the scheme.

Still wanna stick to your original choice?

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post Aug 25 2016, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Aug 25 2016, 02:37 PM)
Nowadays nobody wants to sell PRS la. Usually only RM3K purchase. Commission so little, summore clients ah chi a chor a lot of things.....

Pay petrol, toll, parking, coffee .. Sit pun sang yi.
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Ini orang servis mama - mama gendut yang pakai Bagasi Jenama Birkin™.

PRS cuma ikan - bilis, tak sodap, payah disuap lagi!

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post Aug 26 2016, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 26 2016, 09:14 AM)
I OCD has to correct this   tongue.gif

Itu Birkin nama celebriti, jenama beg tangan sebenarnya Hermes, dari Perancis
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Gua tahu, gua paham, cuma gua khuatir, jikalau pahkei name Er-Meh (Hermes), tak ramai kenal nama tu. Nama Birkin™ nih, famous & fabulous! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(icyblanca @ Aug 26 2016, 05:19 PM)
i went to affin hwang HQ today during lunch.. all sales person out, left contact but didnt call back..
i think they not interest with PRS.. haih.. give up..
change to diff institution liao...
thinkin of either cimb or pbb...
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You poor thing.

For PRS, I believe FSM is a good platform to use. It is easy and the Online Helpdesk is very helpful too.

If I am below forty years old, I will participate in CIMB-principle PRS Asia Pac ex Japan Equity.

If I am above forty years old, I will participate in Affin Hwang PRS Moderate Fund.

Both these above peer average performers are available from FSM at zero sales charge.

Apa lagi lu mau?

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post Oct 8 2016, 12:38 PM

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This post is mainly for educating how PRS and its tax relief benefit you - calculation provided for clarity.

For young person as per PPA classification age 18 to 39 y/o; you should choose higher risk PRS product.

Hence I will use this PRS as a proxy for the illustration.

According to the PRS Fact Sheet, this PRS 3 years return on investment (ROI) is 45.14% or 13.22% per annum (annualized return)

Let's say you put in RM 3,000.00 per year. Assuming you are taxed at 24% (MYR 100K to 400K) bracket. This will grant you a RM 3000 less 24% = RM 720.00 in tax relief. So, the actual capital injected is only RM 3,000 less RM 720.00 = RM 2,280.00 per annum.

So, the calculation is: using the financial calculator method:

PV = 0
PMT = 3000
N = 3
I = 13.22
Mode = Begin
The computed FV = MYR 11,596.25

Since the actual capital invested is only MYR 2,280.00 instead of RM 3,000.00, go back and substitute PMT = 2280 instead of 3000 to get the amended i.

Hence when we substitute PMT = 2280 instead, the I or ROI is bumped up to 28.83% instead. That is why it is such a waste if one does not take advantage of the tax relief for this PRS.

Caveat: This tax relief is only advantages up to MYR 3,000.00. Anything more, it just follows the normal fund performance.

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p/s Now you know, you can play around with the other PRS and different tax bracket that you are personally in.

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Oct 22 2016, 06:02 PM)
thanks for your advices... biggrin.gif

will see what happen when reach year 2021... brows.gif
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If got tax relief, continue to top-up

If don't have tax relief, then discontinue and let your capital compound over the twenty or thirty years.

Simple as that.

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p/s PRS' awesomeness is tied to its tax relief.

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post Oct 29 2016, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Oct 29 2016, 12:08 PM)
I'm in the same position and age as you, just created my FSM account and came across this new Rm1k incentive. So now i'm thinking if i should wait as well.  biggrin.gif

I need clarification from all the sifu's here, if i'm not wrong, it has to be the first investment of minimum Rm1k to get the Rm500/1000 rebate. Second investment does not count, is that correct?
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Just wait lar, only two more months to 2017. In 2017, you are sure to get the extra RM 1,000.00 from govt. T&C applies.

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QUOTE(lengzhai @ Dec 11 2016, 12:20 PM)
Actually, I plan to deposit RM1K to meet the requirement. Then the adviser said I can start it slowly. To obey the adviser so I deposited RM500. Technically RM500 cannot create an account but she said its ok. The RM500 its ok. I have no comment at all about this.

After two months later, I realised that I will make up RM1K to get the incentive. So I banked in the rest into KIB. Specifically RM700. Unknowingly my account has been toped up without my knowledge. (At some point I have little idea what is Account A and B). However the Account A is the amount that I personally banked in. Account B is the rest amount banked in to make up RM1K.

I just realised this when the adviser contacted me last week. Another alternative asked me to invest in Kenanga Growth Fund. Which I am not interested at all.

Today will be one week since my deposit and It does not reflected into my OnePRS Growth Fund yet.

I believe the amount is still not being input into the PRS account yet. Which irked me at sometimes.

Now I want to take out the money that I have deposited into KIB and refund the "top-up without my knowledge" to the rightful owner.

Any idea or comment guys?
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How can money move into your PRS account without your knowledge? How is this even possible? Do you know that PRS do not allow 3rd party transfer? So, I ask you again, how is it possible you do not know that money has been transferred in?

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This A & B account is automatic, if you top up MYR XXX.XX, the system will auto assign 70% to account (A) and 30% to account (B).

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This sentence actually raised red flag... especially you said "rightful owner". Are you saying you are not the rightful owner? Is your account being used by person other than yourself? Hey BNM... we have a AMLAFTA (Money laundering) case here!

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QUOTE(lengzhai @ Dec 11 2016, 01:25 PM)
I have bank in about a portion of the RM1K as I am new joiner. I have the bank transfer record receipt.

The rest of the balance of RM1K is also input in as it show a total of Account A RM692.XX, Account B RM296.XX

I use the most ancient method to deposit the cash, by using bank transfer manually according to amount that I like into KIB bank account.

As far I know I transferred only two times into KIB Bank Account. Which the first time and the second time met the RM1K requirement.

However the RM1K is met to eligible me to take the incentive without me knowing it. It is fine. But now my account have RM1K already and the second time my deposit is RM700. This RM700 technically can be put into my OnePRS account which I have no problem. But until today it has not being reflected yet in my account. So I decided to take back the RM700. I will need to give back the balance to the person who have kind hearted deposit for me to met the RM1K requirement, which is also the minimum amount to open OnePRS account.

Else, the RM700 can be put into my OnePRS account become Rm1.7k.
I am a person with integrity and commitment and I shall also give back the balance whom the person helped me to make my account RM1K.

TLDR version: I should have deposit RM1K. Which I understood the requirement is RM1K to open OnePRS Account.
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PRS scheme allows six working days for cooling off period, i.e., within this period, you can request to withdraw and cancel your transaction without question asked. Have you exceeded this cooling off period yet?

If already exceeded, then sorry buddy. You can only withdraw this amount at age 55 y/o. Read the T&C carefully before investing.

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post Dec 24 2016, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Dec 24 2016, 09:55 AM)
There is another perk from PB Mutual: free personal accident for NAV above 5k, the more you save there, the more your folks will get.

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/prs/PRSProd...nceTakaful.aspx
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Just a note; PA is usually darn cheap to buy on your own. So, it is basically nothing to shout about.

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post Dec 30 2016, 02:16 PM

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Maxed out my PRS quota for 2016. Now I await my to do tax return in Apr 2017 in which to get my tax relief.

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