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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2011, Chelsea 1- 2 Liverpool - Maxi+Johnson!

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post Oct 25 2011, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 25 2011, 08:11 PM)
Skrtel might not hav the ablity to tackle any onoming wingers effectively (tat can be cover Coates or the Slow Carra ) but he can carry the ball right up to the box and try his shooting skill as can be witness on the game against Norwich which he almost score.....and mind u he can head quite well too thumbup.gif
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nothing to do good heading skill with rightback.
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post Oct 25 2011, 09:04 PM

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visualise this sceanario

you are a defender, rightback,centerback or leftback, your opponent hoof a long ball into your area, wat will you do?

for a tall player like Skrtel, he can choose the easiest way by heading out the ball left or right instead letting the ball fall to the ground where your opponents can easily sweep/volley it into the back of the net icon_idea.gif


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post Oct 25 2011, 09:13 PM

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did u watch the tottenham v liverpool game this season?
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post Oct 25 2011, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 25 2011, 08:11 PM)
Skrtel might not hav the ablity to tackle any onoming wingers effectively (tat can be cover Coates or the Slow Carra ) but he can carry the ball right up to the box and try his shooting skill as can be witness on the game against Norwich which he almost score.....and mind u he can head quite well too thumbup.gif
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I just don't agree. Skrtel looks lost whenever he surges forward. Shooting skills? His finishing is terrible as evident against Norwich and Man Utd. Clearly we're watching different players.

Yes, it's nice to have fullbacks with height to cut out crosses to the far post but not at the expense of speed. Kelly is unique in that he has both. With the exception of Stoke, how many teams have fullbacks that are over 6'tall? There is a reason for this.
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post Oct 25 2011, 10:25 PM

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I m alwaiz proud that Reds of Liverpool fans are recognized as the more "knowledgeable" about the game than others, but some things mentioned here are blardy ridiculous...Barca drew ni-nil against Sevilla despite dominating the match and creating many chances...i dont see their fans slating their players like we did! When we play attacking football, we fans like to criticize, when we play defensive football we again criticize..sounds hypocrite to me....we are defensively a bit loose, yes, but this is understandable becos we are attacking for christ sake...the DM are pushing up further from the centre circle to support the attack and also to move in if the opponent gets the ball, to pressurize them..this in turn reduce the protection from DM to the C. Defender...yes we do have weakness, but i think KK already hinted that he expect the American owner to back him, if there are good targets available during January window. We need to add more players, not sell the current crops...we are playing more attacking and attractive game becos of these new players...not SELL them!! And for idiots who want to sell henderson - think again, he is the top 3 players in BPL with top pass completion rate, accuracy rate, and also for clean tackle rate, all the ingredients needed to be groom as SG successor..ohh btw did i miss that he is only 20...so wake up!....henderson is no tevez nor balotelli...he doesnt cost as much, and for all the BIG money spending - they need 2 - 3 seasons to finally show their potential, and JH just joined the Reds,,,like 2 months ago...okok granted, i may be wrong, henderson might or might not make it...but lets not make it an issue...make ur judgement after this season...it gets kinda tired reading clowns who write as tho its their money being spend on these players
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post Oct 25 2011, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(markblurberry @ Oct 25 2011, 10:25 PM)
I m alwaiz proud that Reds of Liverpool fans are recognized as the more "knowledgeable" about the game than others, but some things mentioned here are blardy ridiculous...Barca drew ni-nil against Sevilla despite dominating the match and creating many chances...i dont see their fans slating their players like we did! When we play attacking football, we fans like to criticize, when we play defensive football we again criticize..sounds hypocrite to me....we are defensively a bit loose, yes, but this is understandable becos we are attacking for christ sake...the DM are pushing up further from the centre circle to support the attack and also to move in if the opponent gets the ball, to pressurize them..this in turn reduce the protection from DM to the C. Defender...yes we do have weakness, but i think KK already hinted that he expect the American owner to back him, if there are good targets available during January window. We need to add more players, not sell the current crops...we are playing more attacking and attractive game becos of these new players...not SELL them!! And for idiots who want to sell henderson - think again, he is the top 3 players in BPL with top pass completion rate, accuracy rate, and also for clean tackle rate, all the ingredients needed to be groom as SG successor..ohh btw did i miss that he is only 20...so wake up!....henderson is no tevez nor balotelli...he doesnt cost as much, and for all the BIG money spending -  they need 2 - 3 seasons to finally show their potential, and JH just joined the Reds,,,like 2 months ago...okok granted, i may be wrong, henderson might or might not make it...but lets not make it an issue...make ur judgement after this season...it gets kinda tired reading clowns who write as tho its their money being spend on these players
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post Oct 25 2011, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 25 2011, 05:09 PM)
I don't agree with your assumption. Carra has been great all these years (everyone will agree with me on this) . Like what DukeRed said, he's aging. He's ability to content bigger forwards fading day by day. If you watch him this season, he has less counts on his account for his guarding tackles. Skrtel , yes ..he could cost us points if he don't watch his body movements towards defending. But on Saturday he almost opened goal count for us in nit? Correct me if i'm wrong..

Johnson , however has the ability of moving forward with dangerous runs into the box and could win penalties for us (like he did in the 1st season). Agger , anyone recalls his goals against Westham & Blackburn some seasons ago? It was his faultless performance and a move from defense against Blackburn with a special 30 yard rocket into the top corner. Again years before against Westham at Kop end.

Its about time to put Carroll upfront and design the service around him rather than criticising him not making use of the service he is given. Andy clearly is left footed and when he scored from the Enrique cross from the left he took it with his left foot rather than the inside of his right foot. On Saturday he took a header from Gerrard's cross from the right. So he is very much a left oriented player and needs the service coming from the right

In terms of basics we should be taking the ball to the byline and cutting it back so he facing the goal when he strikes the ball. Crosses driven from the wide positions along the touch lines have to travel further and allow the defence to organise themselves and step forward and cut out the cross. As we saw on weekend's Manchester derby the cross driven fron the edges of the 18 yard box are less of a lottery and stand a good chance of a goal.

Generally the modern approach is whip in crosses from around the edeges of the penalty area

We need to replace Adam with Henderson so that Andy receives steady passes to feet and allows him to become more engaged in the middle third coming back to receive the ball. The Adam sporadic fast driven balls down the channels for the strikers to chase will not help Andy to become a prolific scorer. He need the steady presence of Henderson behind feeding him a steady supply of regular paced balls. This would regularise our play and allow us to make attempts on goal when it is sensible and appropriate rather than the default position to go for goal when the odds are long. Lets get back to old style patient pass and move where we create clear cut chances.

A midfield that provides our strikers with a tad more time and space and better angles will help them to put away their chances

It would be a shame to 'let Carroll go" because other players cannot deliver the service he needs. It is bizzare that Carroll is dropped from side when those who are supposed to be providing him with a gold service seem to keep their places week after week?
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You have some pretty decent points.I didnt realise the bolded part before this.Carroll is pretty faultless recently but he is still blamed.He has improved this season alot.
I still have faith that carroll-suarez combo will work.The man city game last season showed glimpses of what we can achieve with them.However,unlike the bolded part implies,i think the crosses need to come from the left.The header he scored against man city was a cross by meireles from the left if i remember well.

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post Oct 25 2011, 11:29 PM

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well, i personally think carroll is under pressure now...there is no running away..with such huge price tag and for one so young @ 23 correct me if i m wrong, the burden is tremendous, he is afterall the most expensive Brit player atm....i think the least we fans can do is support him..still remember what a monster of a player he was @ newcastle, if he brings that to liverpool, spell disaster for other team...he is a defender's nightmare! At least i think he is better than our other bigger strikers i.e heskey - for his size, heskey is pretty lame, not enuf body strenght to held off defenders...and never seem to be able to win headers against other defenders....P. Crouch, do i have to say more....well price tag is an issue with carroll, but why justify 30mil price tag in the first place..obviously because of the potential he shows, i think he is good, even scored on his debut with england...like it or not, money already changed hand, he wears the RED shirt..if KK decide to sell, so be it...in the meantime, i just have to wait until carroll becomes a real "goal-threat" or even better....gigantic goal scoring machine!
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post Oct 26 2011, 01:58 AM

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well... hmm... at least there's less possibility of skrtel conceding a penalty when he is stuck out right whistling.gif
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post Oct 26 2011, 07:37 AM

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I urge everyone to reconsider knee jerk reactions. It's fine to voice your disappointment or frustration but not every set back calls for drastic changes especially when we are moving in the right direction. I'm sure you've seen the opinions of fans sway with each game. Even when it's a positive comment like, "don't worry we lost yesterday but I'll still support the club forever", do you really need to say this? Fair play if your club has been shite for 10 years but after just one game and you need to declare your loyalty a game? Shouldn't it be expected that you still support the club after losing one game? You mean there was a chance you were going to jump ship? I don't think you need to say it, I think you need to show it but for that to happen you need to look long term and not just at one game. Look 5 years down the road and see if the club is currently pointing in the direction we want to go. We aren't there yet but based on recent changes, will be eventually get there? Under Hicks & Gilette, I could not see our destination but John Henry has laid down a vision for us and is addressing issues beyond the pitch. King Kenny is tasked with addressing issues on it and so far, we've been playing better football than we have since we finished 2nd in the league and that says something if you ask me.
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for once, just beat Stoke tomolo morning and we shall move ahead

wat we need now is Confidence and although we din win the last game, Confidence were slowly creeping back into our game, just tat we were poor on Finishing. I can see there were less backpass and more forward passes and again our passes are not accurate too doh.gif one thing i admire abt MU is tat they hav very good passes, i just hope our players could pratice more passing and more body language understanding

why is Maxi not playing these days doh.gif
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QUOTE(markblurberry @ Oct 25 2011, 11:29 PM)
well, i personally think carroll is under pressure now...there is no running away..with such huge price tag and for one so young @ 23 correct me if i m wrong, the burden is tremendous, he is afterall the most expensive Brit player atm....i think the least we fans can do is support him..still remember what a monster of a player he was @ newcastle, if he brings that to liverpool, spell disaster for other team...he is a defender's nightmare! At least i think he is better than our other bigger strikers i.e heskey - for his size, heskey is pretty lame, not enuf body strenght to held off defenders...and never seem to be able to win headers against other defenders....P. Crouch, do i have to say more....well price tag is an issue with carroll, but why justify 30mil price tag in the first place..obviously because of the potential he shows, i think he is good, even scored on his debut with england...like it or not, money already changed hand, he wears the RED shirt..if KK decide to sell, so be it...in the meantime, i just have to wait until carroll becomes a real "goal-threat" or even better....gigantic goal scoring machine!
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yups..agree with you..i believe its only a matter of time before he find his form, as he did when he was at newcastle..

btw, he's still 22 now (born 1989)..
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post Oct 26 2011, 10:15 AM

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I'm not sure why people are questioning andy caroll when he just joined Liverpool and he is so young. We sold Torres for 50 mil and got andy caroll + suarez for a combined fee of approx 57.8 mill. Minus the profit that we get from selling torres we spent for only 7.8 mill for both andy caroll and suarez. So what is the fuss? The price tag is just a value and to me doesn't mean anything. Stop blaming andy as I think he is still young and once he got back his confidence he will be important to Liverpool.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 26 2011, 08:45 AM)
for once, just beat Stoke  tomolo morning and we shall move ahead

wat we need now is Confidence and although we din win the last game, Confidence were slowly creeping back into our game, just tat we were poor on Finishing. I can see there were less backpass and more forward passes and again our passes are not accurate too doh.gif  one thing i admire abt MU is tat they hav very good passes, i just hope our players could pratice more passing and more body language understanding

why is Maxi not playing these days doh.gif
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The only thing I dont like about the team tactic is why we didnt bring out Maxi as we desperately need his experience for the final 20 minutes.
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one things that i noticed, when we attack, we need to wait for other player, i dont know how to describe it, but look when enrique and (who on the left?) they have to play among them, or pass side ways, waiting for other player to run forward. So the other side has time to organize their defence.
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 26 2011, 12:01 PM)
one things that i noticed, when we attack, we need to wait for other player, i dont know how to describe it, but look when enrique and (who on the left?) they have to play among them, or pass side ways, waiting for other player to run forward. So the other side has time to organize their defence.
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seems like the team doesn't have any urgency to attack...i dun mind if they want to have a slow build up provided the finishing is clinical but lately the finishing seems a little bit off sweat.gif
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here's something that arrived a few months ago but i only managed to pick it up yesterday night.
its an away jersey, 2010-2011 season

in sabah there isn't a place i can trust to get the jerseys with the back stickers done so i decided to keep it clean.

next time with a new jersey i'll sure to have the words "JUSTICE 96" preferred.
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there's an item number on the lfc hologram sticker right?
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 26 2011, 12:01 PM)
one things that i noticed, when we attack, we need to wait for other player, i dont know how to describe it, but look when enrique and (who on the left?) they have to play among them, or pass side ways, waiting for other player to run forward. So the other side has time to organize their defence.
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yeah, we dun hav "fluid attacking" like MU, maybe next time KD should sub Maxi or Bellamy earlier into the game to add pace to our attack, wats the use to use our sub on the 85th min doh.gif
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I guess sometimes its hard to make substitution when the team is having the majority of the possesion, controlling the game, having shot on goals, and build up play is well...changing personnel is always risky, as you may changed 1 good player for another, but it may not work better! Worse the pattern of play suffers and opposition slowly gaining momentum..and it will be impossible to change back! As far as KK is concern, his pattern of substitution usually comes around 75 min, which i think is pretty clever, as it allows the player to work his influence on the game, unlike RB, substitution only towards 80-85 min, and unfortunately Babel or Ngog have to come on so late and unable to have a run at defender...i really belif we are moving forward nicely

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