We were at fault during Heysel, no doubt. Fans had been throwing projectiles at one another prior to the incident and this sparked of a violent retaliation from those in red. Nothing can justify what happened in the end as lives were lost. English teams were banned from Europe thereafter and Everton are still bitter because they would have qualified for Europe had the ban not been imposed. Not something we want to see happen again (Heysel or Everton qualifying for Europe). When we played Juventus in 2005 at Anfield, the Kop held up a mosaic that read Amicizia which means "friendship" in Italian. It was generally well received by the away fans but a small section turned their backs in protest.

As for Hillsborough, we were definitely not at fault. The police packed too many bodies into the Leppings Lane and it was a disaster waiting to happen. It's fantastic to hear that the Hillsborough documents will finally be revealed and hopefully the truth will be out and justice will be done. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...sclosed?cc=4716




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Good post by Paul Tomkins if you have the time. It's a little lengthy.

http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/10/rafa-sets-...omkins+Times%29

i wasnt implying that we were at fault in Hillsborough, we definitely werent (reading back my post, I probably phrased by words wrongly)
in Hillsborough the police were definitely at fault for not assuring the safety of the fans.

Today were having frenly with Rangers?

The latest in the ongoing Suarez vs. Evra saga. http://www.cleansheetsallround.co.uk/2011/...united-defender?

Now before I go on, please don't bother to reply if you're just going to hurl insults at either player. I'm trying to look at this in more detail. The club has demanded that action be taken against Evra for defamation. Man Utd on the other hand have remained silent over the matter so far. I know Evra has spoken to Ferguson about pursuing the matter and I wonder if the club will get behind him soon. Whichever way this case goes, someone will be punished. This incident has received too much publicity and attention for it to just go away.

Character wise, you could build cases against both. Evra has been involved in similar controversies before (though only the Senegal one was a result of a direct accusation from him, and now the Suarez incident of course) but no action has been taken against any of the defendants. Suarez is no stranger to controversy either, with that controversial handball during the World Cup and having bitten an opponent before. This incident has to be taken in isolation however and all evidence should be taken into account. Past behaviour does somewhat indicate the likelyhood someone is to repeat an offence but it isn't conclusive. Just because you killed someone once, it doesn't mean you'll definitely do it again. How likely is it Suarez is racist? When he was at the 2010 World Cup, he became involved in charity work that supported solidarity. Suárez cares about social inequality and in his work he fights against religious, racial and social discrimination - wiki. Anyway the past doesn't define your future and all that's said about the two of them and what happened in the past if moot if there is clear evidence this time round.

At this point however, it seems that the only evidence is on video. Evra has said that Marriner knows what Suarez said but if this we so, he would have been sent off, and Marriner would have reported it, case closed. Not as simple it seems so perhaps Marriner didn't actually hear what was said. He heard what Evra told him. With the number of cameras covering the game, the incident would surely have been caught on video if what Evra says is accurate - that Suarez repeated the word 10 times.

Let's see what happens next.

How sore can Ms Patricia Evra be? She's been totally 'played' by Suarez for the whole 90minutes and now her feeling is hurt. As a result, Ms Evra tries to make false accusation..

Don't think it's as simple as that. From the video, it's clear Suarez said something but players do that all the time. It's a matter of whether or not it was racially motivated. Suarez is unique. He's like a colleague who you don't like but respect because he's good at his job. I don't like his on-field antics at times but then he displays a moment of brilliance and you can't help but be in awe.

why are you picking up points from those when seriously, the football discussion is what you should really be talking about? It's not like we go "suarez is a cheating *******" right? How does that "jibe" like u say, anyhow related to the discussion?

Try to read what I quoted from boxsystem again.

And try to read between the lines. What good is a discussion if it is accompanied by cheap jibes?

The comment by boxsystem could have easily been said without the need for the bolded parts.

learn to read , or you get used to read one liner only in your thread ? feel the sarcasm in those posts?

when there is only two liverpool fan replying in their thread , they end up 4-5 pages talking bout us ...LOL ..who is the big butthurt? I bet some of them not even know they have an important match tonight.

move on to LFC , hope to see Danny Wilson return to rangers on loan ,the club where he rewarded as Scottish FWA Young Player of the Year award and the Scottish PFA Young Player of the Year award.

I thought we have a closer relationship with celtic where King come from there and we share same YNWA anthem ?



This post has been edited by leaF: Oct 18 2011, 08:39 PM

I wonder who is gonna play later

anyway,did anyone notice the espn presenter looks like downing

This post has been edited by Rotuham: Oct 18 2011, 10:17 PM

the friendly match is definitely something forward to look to. by the way, any updates on will the movie?

i realized that too during the half time break of liverpool vs man utd. all of my fren agreed

I said the same darn thing to my friend on Saturday.

Anyway what's the official starting time for the friendly match against rangers?

anybody want to congratulate N'gog for his first goal for Bolton?

Haha..apparently me too!

http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-leag...ssed-by-enrique

our best signing of the season

wow, and you can expect every single f***ing line of yours to be clean of "jibes".

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Added on October 18, 2011, 11:46 pmThat discussion can be continued if you leave out that part where he sarcasticly talks about how loyal you guys are. But no, you guys chose to focus on that. Good job on becoming the best fans in the world.

feel the sarcasm in my post?

This post has been edited by IcyDarling: Oct 18 2011, 11:46 PM