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Silver as investment V2, Don't cry, buy now.
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Jan 25 2012, 01:16 PM
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Hi guys! I'm working a eBook regarding silver in Malaysia. It will be available for download in Silver in Malaysia website once it is completed. I have written the Table of Content. Can you guys please suggest some topics for me that you think is useful for beginners? Or something that you would like to read about?
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Jan 25 2012, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(vdfoo @ Jan 25 2012, 01:15 PM) For investment, it's the best. for hedging against inflation and to retain value of money, bullion bars are the best.I think we should all be clear, so this is my summary, different point of view from different people, no right or wrong o.k? - Silver bars and rounds : To be purchased as a form of savings, not to be used for trading, to retain your value of your currency. - Silver coins with numistic value : To be purchased when you are into collecting beautiful design and are willing to pay a little more when money is not an issue. These are usually used for trading with people who are looking for trading and making profit during good times. As long as the world is still in normal operation and not scrambling for resources like food or oil, going into war with each other, people will pay extra money for nice coins. This I would call investment and looking for return. If the world financial collapse or war happen, 1oz of silver is 1oz of silver, in whatever shapes and design it does not matter, if there are people who wants silver in exchange for rice or food or oil, 1oz is 1oz. These are not investment, but savings which will be used later for trading. chef PS Anyone feel free to add any comment. |
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Jan 25 2012, 07:32 PM
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agree with you chef.numis are for investment during good times when people can still enjoy their beauty.in a way it is a kind of investment too.
But for long term capital appreaciation and wealth preservation bullion bars is the real deal. For me i've started my silver investment for purely wealth preservation intent.But along the way i started to collect numis too,especially after all the poison sessions i've read here ' Nothing beats the feeling of seeing those beautiful design glinting in the sunlight |
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Jan 26 2012, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(chef @ Jan 25 2012, 01:38 PM) For investment, it's the best. for hedging against inflation and to retain value of money, bullion bars are the best. I concurred with Chef's comments above. Numismatic coins require indepth research on coins of respective countries, and normally the premium are higher in the country of the coin's origin. Meaning Malaysian coins have higher premium in Malaysia, and USA coins have higher premium in USA. Examples are Morgan Dollar or Peace Dollar coins fetch very high premium in USA, but not many takers willing to pay high premium in Malaysia. However Perth Mint numismatic coin is one exception with many keen followers in Malaysia, reason maybe due to herd mentality propagated by SLS online members.I think we should all be clear, so this is my summary, different point of view from different people, no right or wrong o.k? - Silver bars and rounds : To be purchased as a form of savings, not to be used for trading, to retain your value of your currency. - Silver coins with numistic value : To be purchased when you are into collecting beautiful design and are willing to pay a little more when money is not an issue. These are usually used for trading with people who are looking for trading and making profit during good times. As long as the world is still in normal operation and not scrambling for resources like food or oil, going into war with each other, people will pay extra money for nice coins. This I would call investment and looking for return. If the world financial collapse or war happen, 1oz of silver is 1oz of silver, in whatever shapes and design it does not matter, if there are people who wants silver in exchange for rice or food or oil, 1oz is 1oz. These are not investment, but savings which will be used later for trading. chef PS Anyone feel free to add any comment. |
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Jan 26 2012, 02:37 PM
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if a person is new to silver investment, best to stick with small size and low premium silver.
size - small but not too small. 1oz is optimum low premium - the lowest possible that carries international brand such as Buffalo. legal tender such as American Silver Eagle is ok too. only proceed with high premium numismatic item if you are absolutely sure what you are doing. |
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Jan 26 2012, 04:36 PM
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ok, here is the famous legal tender of china,
chinese panda 2007 2008 2009 2010 2007-2009 600k Mintage 2010 1.5m Mintage ![]() |
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Jan 26 2012, 07:55 PM
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waaa.so cuute.haha no wonder they call you pandaman Bassist
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Jan 27 2012, 09:49 AM
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There list of very educational video in Silver in Malaysia website. I just added one more titled "Silver Is The Indispensable Metal", feel free to check them out! http://silverinmalaysia.com/knowledge-center/videos/
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Jan 27 2012, 09:58 AM
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Jan 28 2012, 07:07 PM
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people who have bought more than 20oz of silver, what is your exit plan?
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Jan 28 2012, 07:36 PM
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Good question...i also clueless what is my exit plan..hmmm
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Jan 28 2012, 10:58 PM
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My target is to keep at least 5yrs then sell off 50% of my holding if price appreciate >30%. When there is a dip in price, will start to buy back.
Some of the numis will be kept for as long as possible & hopefully pass down to next generation. BTW, what are you guys holding ratio : 1) Round & Bars 2) Coins (Legal Tender) 3) Numismatic Mine -> 1) 30%, 2) 50%, 3) 20% |
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Jan 29 2012, 12:11 AM
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David Morgan: Silver Will Knock Repeatedly on $50/oz. This Year Before Breaking On Through
Posted by David Morgan on January 26, 2012 · 1 Comment The Morgan Report publisher says a tightly held silver supply putting pressure on prices as the macroeconomic climate fails to improve. David Morgan, publisher of The Morgan Report, a monthly newsletter that covers economic news, currency and precious metals, believes that silver will be persistent this year in trying to break through its resistance of $50 an ounce. A tightly held silver supply, continued sovereign debt concerns in Europe and a strong appetite for the white metal at the start of the year are factors that he says will make silver a leader in the commodity sector in 2012. HAI Managing Editor Drew Voros recently caught up with Morgan to discuss what’s in store for the silver market this year. Hard Assets Investor: Silver is starting out 2012 strongly. Is it following gold or is it blazing its own path? David Morgan: Silver is following gold, but if you study silver carefully, there are times when silver leads and gold lags. A quick example was last year. We saw silver basically double from around the $25level to $48, in a matter of months. That ended about May 1. Gold did a similar parabolic move, but not quite the percentage gain that silver outlined, but it did it later in the year. So who went parabolic first, silver or gold? Well, in this case, silver did. HAI: Why do you think silver’s volatility was more intense last year than gold? Was it the drop-off in industrial demand? Morgan: No it wasn’t. It was purely the momentum players, the guys that sit in front of computer screens all day who see a momentum move. They know it’s a small market. They know they can get extreme leverage in the market and they can use derivatives. And that, of course, causes the price to continue further down. HAI: Yesterday [Jan. 11, 2012] we saw a large spike in silver sales and price attributed to Sprott Asset Management making a big purchase for its physical silver exchange-traded fund. Are some of these ETFs driving the metals markets? Morgan: They do, absolutely. But relative to what’s mined in the silver sector, which is about 750 million ounces on an annual basis, the 9 million ounces purchased were not really that large. But what that indicates strongly is that the flow is tight. In other words, there are not all these warehouses full of silver. Supply is in tightly held hands. It’s all held either for investors longer term and/or by industrial users that don’t really stockpile very much. What yesterday’s purchase shows is that whatever comes out of the pipeline has got a lot of people waiting at the end of that pipeline. HAI: Do you see more silver funds coming to the market, or is there a risk here that we’re going to get saturated? Morgan: At some point all markets get overdone. And, as bullish as I am, silver probably will at some point. I do see more silver funds coming in. In fact, I’m actually aware of a couple that are being formed as we speak. There will be more demand. But I think the big question implied is, when will it stop? The answer to that is the global financial system is in such dire straits right now, that more and more people are gravitating to the precious metals. And that trend will continue, which implies more ETFs, more hedge funds, more silver mutual funds, more holding companies and everything else throughout the sector. HAI: Where do you see the strongest industrial demand for silver coming from? Morgan: Solar is No. 1 right now and is growing rapidly, almost exponentially. It will level off probably by 2014. HAI: Where do you think silver is headed in terms of price this year? Morgan: I’m on record saying $60 by the end of the year. And it will probably take all year to get there. The key is to get through that $50 psychological barrier. It’s probably going to take a couple of tries. And I do believe at some point it will. Once it does that, you could see silver go up from $50 to $60 in a matter of two weeks. That’s the kind of move silver is capable of making. HAI: Let’s talk a little bit about miners. Have the silver miners been as undervalued as some of the gold miners? Morgan: It depends on a case-by-case basis, but you’re right. The silver mining industry has got the biggest premium in the sector. A good silver miner producing silver at the top of the market in the last bull market sold at 50-to-1 P/E [price-earnings ratio], whereas gold miners were selling about at 35-to-1 P/E. So silver carries a premium. And you see that throughout the sector. There are some very undervalued mining stocks, including some silver stocks in this juncture. HAI: What is some advice you would offer someone who’s thinking about getting into silver for the first time? What kind of entry point would you suggest? Morgan: I would say get both gold and silver. There is a program I’m associated with: www.SilverSaver.[LLB1] com. That program is a dollar-cost-averaging program. Just put in the same amount every month and don’t worry about it. If the market goes down, you’re buying more silver. If the market goes up, you’re buying less silver. It’s a great professional way to handle any market, especially a volatile market like the silver market. HAI: Do you prefer bullion or coins? Morgan: I prefer coins. I think you want small denominations. That would serve you best in exiting the market, because you have a small unit, you can sell just part of your holdings. Once you get to the bullion, then you’re making bigger decisions. Is it 100 ounces at a time? Is it 1,000 ounces at a time? I try to get everyone to start with coins. But it depends on the individual. If you’re a well-heeled investor and committed to the silver market, you should have a mix of both. HAI: What coins would you recommend specifically? Morgan: One rule is to buy as much silver as you can per dollar invested, which implies getting silver rounds, which are privately minted silver coins, not government minted. The government-minted coins are exactly the same in weight and content, which is 0.999 silver. But they have the government stamps on them, which puts a big premium on those. If you get one any of these private mints, it’s the same exact thing, except it’s not a government mint that’s stamping it out. Nonetheless, it’s just as pure, just as fine, the same weight. But again, it comes down to the individual. Someone says, “No, no, I’ve got to have a government stamp on my coin.” Well then, do that. You’re just going to pay more. HAI: The U.S. Mint said there was a record amount of silver coins purchased in the first two weeks of the year. What was behind that? Morgan: Silver is becoming a more popular investment, so a lot of these dealers will buy huge amounts of freshly minted 2012s. They’ll slab them, which means put them in a plastic holder, and get them graded, and then put a huge price tag on them. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a big rip-off. They then sell them for $100 each, when there’s $30 worth of silver in the coin. So that’s part of it right there HAI: Let’s talk a little bit about asset allocation. What do you recommend when it comes to precious metals? Morgan: I recommend 20 percent into metals, but it also depends on your age. Because the younger you are, the more risk you can take. If you’re age 60 years or older, half of that would be in physical metal. The 10 percent remaining is done like this: About 70 to 80 percent of that goes into top-tier, cash-rich unhedged mining companies; about 20 percent goes into midtiers; and the remaining 10 percent is spread out among junior miners. HAI: Do you, at times, recommend selling silver? Morgan: Absolutely. I got out of silver at $48/oz. on that move up last year, but not all of my position. But it’s very nice to capture $19 on the move to $48, which is basically what I did. So I do trade, and I do invest. And they’re different topics. One is to make money and go back into cash. The other is just to buy and hold for the long term. Not everybody can do both. But I’ve been doing it for years and years, and I’m comfortable with that methodology. |
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Jan 29 2012, 01:20 AM
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My exit plan is when gold silver ratio hits at 1:20, and hope that I can buy one house with 100oz.
I do have faith that one day silver price will be appreciated than gold. |
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Jan 29 2012, 11:51 AM
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nice interview chris, thanks for the kind sharing!
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Jan 29 2012, 12:22 PM
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nice update for silver there chrischin.surely reinforced my spirit to hoard more silver haha..
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Jan 29 2012, 02:50 PM
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33.99 -.-
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Jan 29 2012, 03:53 PM
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Jan 29 2012, 07:45 PM
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It is a pleasure sharing some info once in a while. Also, keep this thread "alive" and active.
Why kitco price 33.99 and goldprice.org is 33.81? Which one more "accurate"? I always look at the latter. |
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Jan 30 2012, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE(RRR @ Jan 28 2012, 10:58 PM) My target is to keep at least 5yrs then sell off 50% of my holding if price appreciate >30%. When there is a dip in price, will start to buy back. Im --> 1) 25%, 2)60%, 3) 15% Some of the numis will be kept for as long as possible & hopefully pass down to next generation. BTW, what are you guys holding ratio : 1) Round & Bars 2) Coins (Legal Tender) 3) Numismatic Mine -> 1) 30%, 2) 50%, 3) 20% This post has been edited by maxevil: Jan 30 2012, 01:26 AM |
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