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 Silver as investment V2, Don't cry, buy now.

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post Nov 29 2011, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Kokolat @ Nov 29 2011, 12:10 PM)
Hi Guys,

Thanks for your help on my first post regarding buying physical gold and silver.

I have some doubts on investing (gold/silver) coins vs (gold/silver) bars.

I know that coins always come with premium price for some reasons. I question here is:

Lets says I bought a 1 oz silver coin at the silver price of USD32.00 and I paid for USD95.00 for the 1 oz silver coin. In this case I paid extra USD63.00 (USD95.00 - USD32.00, almost 200% over the silver price) as premium. My question is,

1) if the silver price goes up to USD40.00, will the price of the 1 oz silver coin I bought also goes up proportionally to USD118.75?

2) if the silver price drop to USD25.00, will the price of the 1 oz silver coin I bought also drop proportionally to USD74.22?
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Simple answer would be yes.

But it boils down to the willing seller willing buyer. This is if you buy and sell with individual traders/collectors.
For this, you have to find buyer who agrees to your price. hmm.gif

If you buy and sell with a company, they normally have a buy back policy, which is a certain percentage lower than their selling price.
So, if you buy when it is high, and suddenly the price drops, you will incur losses IF you sell it back to the company.
But if the price continues to go up, you can sell it back to the company and maybe gain some profit.
For this, you don't have to find the buyer. The company will buy it back without much hassle (I think). sweat.gif
But your profit would be not proportionate to the premium that u pay previously due to the buy back policy has already 'eaten' some of your profit.

Example:

You buy from Company A - 1oz Silver at RM150 when the Spot is RM120 (Premium is RM30 or 25%)
Company A has a buy back policy - They will buy your silver at -15% from their selling price.
So, you have to wait for the price to increase to RM177 (Spot at RM141) just to break even.
This will mean that you already lost 15% when you buy your silver.

However, if you can find a private buyer and sell the coin at market price @ RM177, you've already gained 18%.

My 2 cents worth.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This post has been edited by Nidz: Nov 29 2011, 12:37 PM
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post Nov 29 2011, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Kokolat @ Nov 29 2011, 02:41 PM)
Agreed!  thumbup.gif


Added on November 29, 2011, 2:46 pm

I did tried to browsed Tomei's website but did not see anything news saying that they are selling silver...

By the way what is EPP?
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EPP is easy payment plan.

For me, I buy both bars and coins. Even some numismatic coins also i buy.
Bars for its low premium, suitable for investment. icon_idea.gif

Coins and Numis, high premium, more beautiful, limited edition, and some of them holds their premium even though the spot price goes down...
So, I buy this for trading. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 29 2011, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Kokolat @ Nov 29 2011, 04:16 PM)
RM1,350 / RM3.17 = USD425.87, which mean 1oz silver is USD42.587... this price is killing!  blink.gif  I buy silver bars to protect my wealth and I will definitely not going to pay a 33% (USD42.587 / USD32.00) premium to kill my wealth.

Anyway, thanks for your help on the above...  notworthy.gif  I am still trying to look for reasonable silver bar around...  smile.gif


Added on November 29, 2011, 4:22 pm

Thanks boss... I think I may call To mei to check if they really sell silver bars...

I buy silver is to protect my wealth and therefore I am not going to buy from any party that "mark up" too much. The only option I have now is buy directly from Perth Mint (this option seems not workable) or... buy Maybank Kijang coin (ya I dont like coins but buying from Maybank is better than buying from Poh Kong who will give 15% spread...).

Any other suggestions?  biggrin.gif
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If you resort to buy gold coins from the bank, I would suggest you to go to UOB bank. They offer few different kinds of gold coins such as maple, nugget, kangaroo etc and their buy back spread is quite low also.

Kijang Emas is quite hard to find nowadays. Most of the Maybank branch have sold out.

Make sure you call the banks first before heading there. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by Nidz: Nov 29 2011, 04:32 PM
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post Nov 30 2011, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Kokolat @ Nov 30 2011, 08:32 AM)
Hi guys,

One more question: does silver bar taxable? I understand from previous post that silver coins are taxable but how about silver bars?
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Silver bars are not taxable. You can refer to the first post of this thread. There's a lengthy explanation by Taurusbull with Customs Tariff Code as well.

For UOB Gold bullion products, you can see it here http://www1.uob.com.my/business/GMIM/GMIM_...ous_metals.html
You can see the price there as well. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 30 2011, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Nov 30 2011, 09:42 AM)
Allow me to shamelessly promote my website again, here is the link to tax related information
Tariff Code - Silver in Malaysia
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property101,
the link on your source should be this
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry45886453
its a direct link to Taurusbull's post regarding the tariff codes.
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post Nov 30 2011, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(Kokolat @ Nov 30 2011, 05:56 PM)
Yes I know silver bars are not taxebal but I readh from previous posts someone (I cant recall his nickname) says the custom officers are so stupid and insist to imposed 15% tax onto silver bars...  mad.gif  how great is this.  drool.gif

I actually dont have any specific brand to go for because I buy silver bars is for long term investment. Silver bars from any reputable mints is fine for me. PAMP suisse? I am thinking is it worth to pay for their name...  blink.gif
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I think that one is GoldChan.
From what I recall, the officer wanted to tax his bars. But finally he managed to convince the officer that bars are not taxable.
Mind you, this happens maybe few months or years back, I am not really sure.
But nowadays, customs officer are very familiar with silver products.
When I pay them a visit to settle the tax issue when importing dragon coins, they asked me whether the coins have face value or not.
I think, if the coins don't have face value, it wont be taxed.

Anyway, maybe some of our forumers here have experience buying bars from overseas. Taurusbull, any comment? notworthy.gif
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post Dec 1 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Dec 1 2011, 11:00 AM)
Just to recap the pure bullion physical silver strategies.
Option 1 - Liquidity - Chris Chin (100%) and GoldChan (90%)
- All 1 oz silver bar
Option 2 - Liquidity and Storage - Taurusbull
First 100oz - go for 1 oz silver bar/round
Next 400oz - go for 10oz silver bar/round
After 500oz - go for 1kg/100oz silver bar/round

Good luck for those jumping into 1kg bar at the start, buying at higher price, and when time to get out, take weeks to sell or sell fast with a deep discount, as shown in LSGG about few weeks ago.


Added on December 1, 2011, 11:05 am

Oh! by the way, there is no upgrade from silver to gold investment.

There is only a smarter investment moving from gold (herd) to silver (first mover but not too early).
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Hmm.. But there are some people who practises 'Swap' technique.
They use silver-gold ratio as a benchmark to swap.
If the ratio is high (silver is cheap), they'll sell their gold and buy silver.
If ratio goes down (silver is expensive), they'll sell their silver and buy gold.
And they keep repeating this cycle when there is significant change on the ratio.

But I am not rally sure whether this is sustainable or not.
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post Dec 1 2011, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Kokolat @ Dec 1 2011, 11:33 AM)
What is SLS and LSGG by the way... lol  sweat.gif
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SLS = Silver Lot Shop
GLS = Gold Lot Shop
LSGG = Lowyat Silver & Gold Group

All are groups in facebook doing trading in silver and gold.
LSGG is exclusive only for Lowyat.net members. brows.gif
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post Dec 1 2011, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 1 2011, 02:24 PM)
Is there a Gold lot shop?
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yes. its the SLS' bigger brother.. tongue.gif
https://www.facebook.com/groups/gold.lotshop/
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post Dec 1 2011, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 1 2011, 02:38 PM)
Thanks matey!  Gold's MY TEA!  biggrin.gif
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yeah, no problem.
I only drink 'plain water', don't have enough money to drink 'tea' like you... hahaha tongue.gif
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post Dec 1 2011, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Dec 1 2011, 03:19 PM)
Not enough, it should be triple loops.

Time will tell.

Gold vs Silver, percentage increase from Gold at USD1744.65, and Silver at USD32.65 now.

On 1st.December.2012
On 1st.December.2013
On 1st.December.2014
On 1st.December.2015

Name a date above, and whoever win by percentage either you (gold) and I (silver), win the bet.

I give you the honour of setting the bet, and we draft up a legal agreement with witnesses.
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Legal betting? hmm.gif
Sorry but I cant join that... hehe..
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post Dec 1 2011, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 1 2011, 03:30 PM)
i dont which will win or lose.
All i know is i am in both boats.....gold since $240 and silver since $5.80....

either way i will win.......  biggrin.gif
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that's what we call win-win situation thumbup.gif
anyway, what kind of gold u buy? coins, bars or jeweleries?
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post Dec 1 2011, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 1 2011, 03:35 PM)
No jewellery....thats for my wife.  biggrin.gif

Mostly coins.......for gold and paper trading for silver.
My only physical silver are numis coins........
how u trade paper silver?
forex market?
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post Dec 1 2011, 03:49 PM

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so, u trade using us broker or local broker?
if i want to learn how to trade etf, any recommendation on where should i start?
so far i know how to trade in KLSE only...
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this one is quite good for reading:
http://www.kitco.com/ind/index.html
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post Dec 3 2011, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(kei18kun @ Dec 3 2011, 07:18 PM)
at last finish v2, wow really learn alot from everybody. thanks for sharing since i find this thread very helpful and informative. Will start investing buying few pieces

will go back to read v1. cheers!
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v2 is not ending yet. we have to reach 2500 posts. but we already past halfway. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 6 2011, 01:34 AM

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for me, i prefer to keep it in airtite capsules. easier to look at and admire its beauty. also easier to sell later.. hehe
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post Dec 6 2011, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(frankliew @ Dec 6 2011, 08:51 PM)
What is LSGG?
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pls refer to the first post.
Lowyat Silver and Gold Group
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post Dec 12 2011, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Dec 12 2011, 07:14 AM)
haha...right!
in mike's book, a big portion covers on the history of 'money' tongue.gif
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yes. history is an important lesson for us. learn from them, and try not to make the same mistake.
also, be prepared when opportunity comes. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 14 2011, 05:17 AM

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QUOTE(Quinn @ Dec 14 2011, 12:13 AM)
Ichimoku silver overview at 11:19 min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTMlsLbGktE
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thanks for sharing Quinn! notworthy.gif
Keep it coming.

So basically now is the downtrend of silver and major support at USD30. If its broken, maybe can go lower to USD26. Resistance is at USD33.
Time to prepare the money and wait for opportunities brows.gif

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