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Skydrop
post Sep 22 2020, 11:21 AM

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Hi guys
I have a question and hope to hear from you if you have any idea to help me solve this problem.

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My water tank is on the 5th floor and my unit is on the 3rd. Problem is the water outlet from the water tank to my unit needs to climb over the wall and according to the plumber, there is a risk of air trap when the water level in the tank runs lower than the outlet. The 'climbing' can cost a lot of problems. He asked me to instal water pump which costs RM1800. Is this true?

Thanks!
Skydrop
post Sep 22 2020, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Sep 22 2020, 08:49 PM)
Can use class 7 pipe + inline ball valve to regulate the pressure so it will be good pressure and not excessively high.
RM1800 seems on the steep side. I would say the risk of having the water running out on the main tank is rather low but good pump will have overheat protection. Your situation where by the water tank is higher than the unit is easy to pump so a small 150-200W pump will suffice as your water doesnt need to fight against gravity that much.
The entire surface area of the upstairs tank is easily 1-2 sq meters (if small tangki) is enough to push down the water into the 1" pipe.

A "150W HITACHI WM-P150 XS AUTOMATIC CONSTANT PRESSURE WATER PUMP" should run you around 660 for the pump only. Key is automatic pump so no need to turn on turn off.
You can backflow it from another outlet using water hose (tap to tap)?
Old high rise >15 years yes, iron pipes corroded and from 1" become 0.2" diameter left for water to pass thru. It could also be the WH filter clogged/flexi pipes clogged. Usually management will replace with new piping.

New high rise within past couple years no.. water pressure is so good I need to max out the WH to have enough heat to take bath.
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Thanks Bro. I actually shared similar thought on the possibility of the tank running empty but the risk is still there. Suppose the tank is empty and the pipe is filled with air, when the water tank is refilled with water again, the water flow will be blocked by air in the pipe. That's why I was told to install pump to help draw out air trap in the pipe so water can flow again. Is this true? RM1800 is unreasonable to me! I am still trying to survey what is in the market.

What is the difference between class 6 and class 7 pipe btw? Which one is more suitable and durable for apartment/home use?

@Zheilwane, any comments/recommendations from you?





Skydrop
post Sep 24 2020, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Sep 24 2020, 11:11 AM)
Depends on the pump type. Cheap pump will get water jetting when pump automatically switch on and off. it is because the pressure switch turn motor on and off abruptly. When motor is turned on the pressure build up in pipe but then the water out is less casing pump to switch off and when pressure low again the pump on and so on, causing water jetting. More expensive one have bigger bladder tank thus less water jetting effect.

Nowadays, high end pump is using inverter to vary motor speed, thus the pressure in pipe is consistant. This will let water flow smoothly. The inverter type even no need to have bladder tank.

The RM1800 probably this high end type. You need to ask. I know that Grundfos Scala2 is around RM1700~1800. This is real constant pressure pump.
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I don't think it is a high end pump because the contractor told me it is noisy but it is ceramic and durable. I fell that he is trying to slaughter me by charging that price. :'(

Difficult to find a good plumber these days.
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post Sep 24 2020, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Sep 24 2020, 02:26 AM)
Grey PVC pipe the higher the class the tougher the pipe due to thicker material. Class 0 is low class and should only be used for light duty (aka aircon drain pipe). If wanna bury in concrete use class 7 direct, its not that expensive but will save a lot of headache later on.
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The bathrooms, I am planning to run exposed pipe so it is easier to fix if there is any problems later. Don't want any hacking work done. Would class 6 be sufficient? I am recommended to use class 6 instead of class 7. He told me the downside of class 7 but I forgot.



 

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